The Tarriff Hype.

petros

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Trump does not seem to have a firm grasp of the problems with moving all production to the US. You don't just go to Amazon and buy an automotive assembly line, or to the welfare office to find the kind of skilled labour required to run them. This is a decades long process. Same goes for building the steel mills to produce all the currently imported materials.
Or the need to import raw materials to process into all these products. Assuming anyone wants to sell to the US. Developing mines to obtain all the raw materials nationally isn't an overnight process, either.
Ummmm no. It doesn't take as long as you think. It could be done in months.
 

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We see that old Donnie makes up game plan, initiates it, before he can go through the thought process, finds out that his game plan can be broken, then he he has to “get even.” Economists are saying that the USA Economy is moving downward and we will have to see how that turns out the USA. If old Donnie’s game plan is to trash the USA in the world market, thank the people who voted him in.
 

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We see that old Donnie makes up game plan, initiates it, before he can go through the thought process, finds out that his game plan can be broken, then he he has to “get even.” Economists are saying that the USA Economy is moving downward and we will have to see how that turns out the USA. If old Donnie’s game plan is to trash the USA in the world market, thank the people who voted him in.

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Don't forget the counter tariffs where our Govt rakes 25% as well. Convenient.
After my initial thought of equal repressive tariffs, I have come to the conclusion they will hurt Canadians more than Americans, and put more money in the federal coffers for no good reason.
I now feel that the best thing for us to do is avoid buying as many American products as possible, and either add export taxes or avoid shipping altogether of any minerals and base materials to the US.
Much as I dislike dealing with China, we could increase exports of raw materials to them, and buy as small an amount of manufactured products back as possible while we look for other dependable suppliers.
 
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Ummmm no. It doesn't take as long as you think. It could be done in months.
Not a chance. I worked on the Kitamatt Smelter. My son worked on the LNG plant there. It takes years. Even taking an existing plant and moving it is a several year project. There is also the training of new staff to consider.
 

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Not a chance. I worked on the Kitamatt Smelter. My son worked on the LNG plant there. It takes years. Even taking an existing plant and moving it is a several year project. There is also the training of new staff to consider.
It takes years due to bullshit and lack of labour.

100 years ago it took 2 years to build the Empire State Building. Hoover Dam took 5. Hundred of factories were retooled to build tanks and bomber in a few months for WW2.

These days it takes 2 years to build a highway overpass.
 

Ron in Regina

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It takes years due to bullshit and lack of labour.

100 years ago it took 2 years to build the Empire State Building. Hoover Dam took 5. Hundred of factories were retooled to build tanks and bomber in a few months for WW2.

These days it takes 2 years to build a highway overpass.
Didn’t it take something like two years to build a trans Canada railroad?
 

petros

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Sooooo. We've been lied to....again.

25% tariffs only apply to non-USMCA xompliant automobiles not straight across the board as according to Carney and the chimps.
 

Ron in Regina

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President Trump said in a middle-of-the-night social media post early Thursday that he would come after the European Union and Canada if they banded together to “do economic harm” to America, opening a new front in the unfolding trade war.

“If the European Union works with Canada in order to do economic harm to the USA, large scale Tariffs, far larger than currently planned, will be placed on them both in order to protect the best friend that each of those two countries has ever had!” Mr. Trump wrote.

The EU is a country now? Anyway, who’s threatening whom?
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This new Trumpian warning comes after Trump signed an executive order Wednesday for 25 per cent tariffs on all foreign-made cars and light trucks, in addition to tariffs already in place on those goods.

The U.S. has so far imposed 25 per cent tariffs on all Canadian goods, as well as an additional 25 per cent on steel and aluminum imports and a 10 per cent levy on Canadian energy imports.
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Trumps Global “reciprocal” tariffs on all foreign imports, including from Canada, are also planned for April 2, which is when the auto tariffs are set to take effect.
 

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Ah, the famous middle-of-the-night toilet tweets!

I'm not real fond of Trump, but at least we got the President conservatives the world 'round wanted.

I do hope they're enjoying it.
 

petros

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President Trump said in a middle-of-the-night social media post early Thursday that he would come after the European Union and Canada if they banded together to “do economic harm” to America, opening a new front in the unfolding trade war.

“If the European Union works with Canada in order to do economic harm to the USA, large scale Tariffs, far larger than currently planned, will be placed on them both in order to protect the best friend that each of those two countries has ever had!” Mr. Trump wrote.

The EU is a country now? Anyway, who’s threatening whom?
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This new Trumpian warning comes after Trump signed an executive order Wednesday for 25 per cent tariffs on all foreign-made cars and light trucks, in addition to tariffs already in place on those goods.

The U.S. has so far imposed 25 per cent tariffs on all Canadian goods, as well as an additional 25 per cent on steel and aluminum imports and a 10 per cent levy on Canadian energy imports.
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Trumps Global “reciprocal” tariffs on all foreign imports, including from Canada, are also planned for April 2, which is when the auto tariffs are set to take effect.
Trump is going European....

VAT rates vary per EU country. The EU's standard minimum VAT rate is 15% for its 27 member countries. The actual VAT rates of the EU countries range between 17% and 27%. Switzerland is not part of the EU and has a standard VAT rate of 8.1%, which is far lower than neighboring countries.

What is EU value-added tax (VAT) & VAT OSS? - Stripe
 

Ron in Regina

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petros

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Trump is tariffing more than Ontario’s auto sector, right? I thought it was broad tariffs on everything from Canada?
Retaliate against what? How many non-USMCA compliant vehicles and parts are we exporting to the US? All of them?
 

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To avoid potential tariffs, Canadian goods entering the US must be USMCA-compliant, meaning they meet specific "rules of origin" and can be certified as such, allowing for preferential tariff treatment.

Here's a more detailed explanation:
  • What is USMCA?
    The United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), also known as CUSMA in Canada, is a free trade agreement that replaced NAFTA.

  • Rules of Origin:
    To benefit from USMCA, goods must meet specific rules of origin, which vary by product type, ensuring that they are either wholly produced in North America or contain a certain percentage of North American content.

  • Certification:
    Importers need to provide a "certificate of origin" to customs authorities, confirming that the goods meet the USMCA rules of origin.

  • USMCA-compliant goods:
    These goods are eligible for preferential tariff treatment, meaning they may be subject to lower tariffs or even duty-free treatment, compared to non-USMCA goods.

  • Examples of USMCA-compliant goods:
    Many goods are covered, including autos, trucks, textiles, and other products, but the specific rules of origin vary by product.

  • Recent Tariff Suspension:
    In March 2025, the Trump administration temporarily suspended tariffs on USMCA-compliant goods from Canada and Mexico, but this was a temporary measure.

  • Importance of USMCA Compliance:
    Businesses should assess their supply chains and ensure that their products meet USMCA requirements to avoid tariffs and maximize trade opportunities.

  • Further Information:
    For specific information on USMCA rules of origin and certification requirements, businesses can consult the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) website or contact trade advisors.