The Syria Thread: Everything you wanted to know or say about it
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Re: "The U.S. Should Act"
Or smart.
In our defence, we call ourselves "land of the free and home of the brave." We never laid claim to sane.
Or smart.
Re: British Parliament votes against British military involvement in Syria
"Free at last, free at last! Thank Gawd Almighty, free at last!"
"Free at last, free at last! Thank Gawd Almighty, free at last!"
Re: British Parliament votes against British military involvement in Syria
David Cameron wanted to bomb Syria so badly his teeth hurt. There was just one problem, Britain's Iraq War fiasco.
Because of Iraq, David Cameron had promised to allow parliament a veto on going to war back in 2010. He had even committed himself to repealing the royal prerogative, the executive powers which enable him to bypass parliament, though he hasn't, yet.
As a result, parliament had the power to deny him authority, even in a relatively modest and constrained form, to strike against Assad. The jury's out on when that last happened: some say 1782 and the American war of independence.
David Cameron imagined he was driving a wooden spike through the heart of Tony Blair's legacy. Little did he realize the spike was iron and was going straight through his own foot.
Syria debate: five things we learned from last night's vote | Anne Perkins | Comment is free | theguardian.com
David Cameron wanted to bomb Syria so badly his teeth hurt. There was just one problem, Britain's Iraq War fiasco.
Because of Iraq, David Cameron had promised to allow parliament a veto on going to war back in 2010. He had even committed himself to repealing the royal prerogative, the executive powers which enable him to bypass parliament, though he hasn't, yet.
As a result, parliament had the power to deny him authority, even in a relatively modest and constrained form, to strike against Assad. The jury's out on when that last happened: some say 1782 and the American war of independence.
David Cameron imagined he was driving a wooden spike through the heart of Tony Blair's legacy. Little did he realize the spike was iron and was going straight through his own foot.
Syria debate: five things we learned from last night's vote | Anne Perkins | Comment is free | theguardian.com
Re: "The U.S. Should Act"
Slightly off topic but it sounds like it applies for some folk.
It's a bit of dialogue from an end-of-level scene in Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory.
FYI: The 'good guy' is Fisher. The other is an NSA 'bad guy'.
Shetland: It doesn’t have to end like this, Sam.
Fisher: No, but it does have to end.
Shetland: On that we agree. We’ve been fighting their dirty little wars our entire lives and where do we end up? Staring at each other down the barrels of our guns. Nothing has changed, Fisher, and it won’t change by degrees. We have to tear it down, and start over, it’s the only way.
Fisher: Your own little chaos theory, throw the world into war and hope that what comes out the other side is better?
Shetland: It will be better, because this war will change things, Sam. Every other war has been about keeping things the same, but the status quo doesn’t work anymore. America is sick Sam, she’s dying. Politicians, the bureaucrats, the whispered backroom deals, it's all life support for a sick old lady who was dead a long time ago.
Fisher: The only backroom deals I’ve seen lately were made by you. You’re a murderer, and a war criminal.
Shetland: Those are the only names the state has for the revolutionaries Sam. You only become a hero after the war is over. You know the truth; the world is built from the bottom up, not the other way around. Honour, courage, fidelity; we don’t inherit these things from the world, Sam, we build the world from them. I know you, you believe in these things more than any government, and I know because of it, you wouldn’t shoot an old friend.
Fisher: [Fisher stabs Shetland] You’re right Doug, I wouldn’t shoot an old friend.
Slightly off topic but it sounds like it applies for some folk.
It's a bit of dialogue from an end-of-level scene in Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory.
FYI: The 'good guy' is Fisher. The other is an NSA 'bad guy'.
Shetland: It doesn’t have to end like this, Sam.
Fisher: No, but it does have to end.
Shetland: On that we agree. We’ve been fighting their dirty little wars our entire lives and where do we end up? Staring at each other down the barrels of our guns. Nothing has changed, Fisher, and it won’t change by degrees. We have to tear it down, and start over, it’s the only way.
Fisher: Your own little chaos theory, throw the world into war and hope that what comes out the other side is better?
Shetland: It will be better, because this war will change things, Sam. Every other war has been about keeping things the same, but the status quo doesn’t work anymore. America is sick Sam, she’s dying. Politicians, the bureaucrats, the whispered backroom deals, it's all life support for a sick old lady who was dead a long time ago.
Fisher: The only backroom deals I’ve seen lately were made by you. You’re a murderer, and a war criminal.
Shetland: Those are the only names the state has for the revolutionaries Sam. You only become a hero after the war is over. You know the truth; the world is built from the bottom up, not the other way around. Honour, courage, fidelity; we don’t inherit these things from the world, Sam, we build the world from them. I know you, you believe in these things more than any government, and I know because of it, you wouldn’t shoot an old friend.
Fisher: [Fisher stabs Shetland] You’re right Doug, I wouldn’t shoot an old friend.
Re: British Parliament votes against British military involvement in Syria
That would have been nice from the start.
That would have been nice from the start.
Re: British Parliament votes against British military involvement in Syria
C'mon, he was nice. Better'n just about anybody on this board I've seen.
Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’
Because I was in the Marines. Anything else?
Because I was in the Marines. Anything else?
Re: British Parliament votes against British military involvement in Syria
Nice is a tad sychophantic.
Nice is a tad sychophantic.
Re: British Parliament votes against British military involvement in Syria
Why thank you...that's what I was going for!
Why thank you...that's what I was going for!
Re: British Parliament votes against British military involvement in Syria
OK, decent. Responsible. Good-guyish.
Re: British Parliament votes against British military involvement in Syria
Did the monkey have a gernade?
Did the monkey have a gernade?
Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’
The left? Really? Tune into Fox News and see what they have to say about the Bamster bombing Syria.
The left? Really? Tune into Fox News and see what they have to say about the Bamster bombing Syria.
Re: "The U.S. Should Act"
Thanks for that.
Who knew the Koch Brothers publication would try to demonize Syria for having a state owned Oil program so publicly......
Thanks for that.
Who knew the Koch Brothers publication would try to demonize Syria for having a state owned Oil program so publicly......
Re: "The U.S. Should Act"
It's all about control. Lebanon signed deal with Mobil to produce it's NG, but need to go through Syria to tie into the Arab Pipeline but Assad told them to f*ck off. Israel signed up with the Gazprom Ruskies which is why they sided Assad and Russia and in doing so Iran/Hezbollah
All along I've been saying this is all over natural gas but noooooo that would be a conspiracy theory because it's all about the Muzzie boogieman according to the Spastics
Tin foil wins again. Go f*cking figure eh?
It's all about control. Lebanon signed deal with Mobil to produce it's NG, but need to go through Syria to tie into the Arab Pipeline but Assad told them to f*ck off. Israel signed up with the Gazprom Ruskies which is why they sided Assad and Russia and in doing so Iran/Hezbollah
All along I've been saying this is all over natural gas but noooooo that would be a conspiracy theory because it's all about the Muzzie boogieman according to the Spastics
Tin foil wins again. Go f*cking figure eh?
Re: Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’
I didn't say the right was any more sane or less hypocritical. They're in the catbird seat. If Obama doesn't act, they'll call him a coward and indecisive. If he does, whatever he does will be wrong, to them.
So, pretty much like the last five years.
Tune into Fox? No thanks.
I didn't say the right was any more sane or less hypocritical. They're in the catbird seat. If Obama doesn't act, they'll call him a coward and indecisive. If he does, whatever he does will be wrong, to them.
So, pretty much like the last five years.
