The Official "Lets bash Christians" thread...

gerryh

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It's not really similar imo.

The church takes the responsibility for making choices regarding right and wrong behaviour right out of your hands and makes those decisions on your behalf. You then choose whether or not you will follow some, none or all of those decisions.
The state makes those choices for us with our permission granted to them to do so via democratic process. Once we've provided that permission, we are not at liberty to pick and choose at a later date whether or not we'll abide by those laws.


Sorry Zan, I will not discuss religion or abortion with you. I would prefer to keep you as a friend.

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SirJosephPorter

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By all means let's bash the Christians. If we think just a little, we would see that almost every major invention was made by a Christian. Scientific advances in the last five hundred years have virtually all been made by Christians. Hospitals are a Christian invention. The printing press was invented by Johannes Gutenberg, a Christian, in the fourteen hundreds. Christians are not perfect by any means but the world would be a lot poorer without them.

Sure a lot of inventions were made by Christians. Many inventions were also made by ancient Greeks, ancient Hindus, and many other civilizations.

The Greek scientist, Archimedes came up with many scientific principles which we use even today. He came up with the concept of pi (π). Ancient Hindus came up with the concept of zero, without which mathematics as we know it would be totally impossible.

Ancient astronomers measured the radius of earth, the distance of sun from the earth with startling accuracy, with the crude experimental techniques that they had available.

It is simplistic to claim that most of the scientific advances were made by Christians and by implication that non Christians are dumb and stupid.
 

gerryh

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:roll: Jeeez Gerry, I'd have thought even a 4 year old could say there's a difference between free will and free thought. Here, let me help:

Free Online Dictionary
from the same place;

Seeing as you like ad hominems, here's one for you: if you would remove your head from your rectum and stick it in a dictionary, you might be able to see the differences in things.

free thought goes hand and hand with free will, and Catholics and Christians have the same ability as anyone else.

Point, there are many Catholics that do not support the Catholic stance against contraception. There are Catholics that support GBLT rights. There are Catholics that don't support the Catholic stance of no marriage for Priests and only males can join the priesthood.

The different Christian sects that we have in the world today have all, at one time, broken away from the RCC because they did not believe everything the RCC was "preaching". This also gives lie to your statements about "free thinking".

I could go on, but your mind is either too closed or to limited to make it worth my while.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Faith is an assertion of belief, Anna, it does not dissolve doubt, it merely defines a set of axioms and proclaims a trust as to their Truth.

As far as whether i'm prepared to be wrong. What have i got to lose. If the agnostics are right the worst i can expect is some Cosmic Muffin of a deity, who does not judge or condemn anything.

If the atheists are right then we are nothing but accidental flickers of energy, who will return to incomprehension and nothingness of black space, from which we sprung, leaving no trace of our transient existence.

What do you have to lose if my side, affirming a cognizant, enabling, judgemental Creator is right?

What you have to lose on your side is that you may be worshiping the wrong God. How do you know that the real God isn’t Allah, or Vishnu, or Zeus?

You are assuming that either Atheists are right or you are right, which is nonsense. When it comes to afterlife, we know absolutely nothing, so anybody could say anything and he may be as right as anybody else.

There are probably thousands of Gods in the world. Let us assume that one of them is the true God. Then an Atheist has zero chance of going to Heaven, you have maybe 1 chance in 10000 (assuming there are 10000 Gods in the world) of going to Heaven.

Not very encouraging odds, in my opinion. I have never bought this argument, that one should believe in God to be on the safe side. Which God?
 

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free thought goes hand and hand with free will,
So does shyte and stink. Does that mean they are the same thing? No. lmao
and Catholics and Christians have the same ability as anyone else.
Yup. However they choose to limit themselves by grounding their ability to think in terms of religious dogma.

free thoughtn thought unrestrained and uninfluenced by dogma or authority, esp in religious matters
The Free Online Dictionary




Point, there are many Catholics that do not support the Catholic stance against contraception. There are Catholics that support GBLT rights. There are Catholics that don't support the Catholic stance of no marriage for Priests and only males can join the priesthood.
So? I didn't say they were totally devoid of free thought but you seem to think I did. What I said is that they view everything through their Christian biased filters. A Muslim would view things through an Islamic set of filters. Atheists don't have those filters.

The different Christian sects that we have in the world today have all, at one time, broken away from the RCC because they did not believe everything the RCC was "preaching". This also gives lie to your statements about "free thinking".
No it doesn't. Like I said a few posts back: I don't assume that Christians have no free will. I am, however, positive that Christians view everything through Christian-biased filters. Free thought, the same. Sometimes one can think without basing impressions on religious dogma, sometimes not.

I could go on, but your mind is either too closed or to limited to make it worth my while.
lmao You wish.
 

gerryh

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Quoting gerryh So, Catholics are NOT free thinkers? Those that believe in Christ and God are NOT free thinkers? Do I have that right?
Quoting AnnaG Right.
 

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Quoting gerryh So, Catholics are NOT free thinkers? Those that believe in Christ and God are NOT free thinkers? Do I have that right?
Quoting AnnaG Right.
In general. Yup. You think freely within your limited (filtered) boundaries, and some of those thoughts have nothing to do with their religion; in which case, it is totally free.. :D IOW, you are constrained, hogtied, as it were, to your dogma, but you can still move a little bit. :)
 

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In general. Yup. You think freely within your limited (filtered) boundaries. :D
I really didn't want to wade into this one, but you really are barking up the wrong tree.

Gh is almost the antithesis to the typical RCC goer. Yet he is Catholic.

Trust me Anna, he's right on this one.
 

gerryh

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I really didn't want to wade into this one, but you really are barking up the wrong tree.

Gh is almost the antithesis to the typical RCC goer. Yet he is Catholic.

Trust me Anna, he's right on this one.


and Karrie would fall into the same category.
 

AnnaG

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I really didn't want to wade into this one, but you really are barking up the wrong tree.

Gh is almost the antithesis to the typical RCC goer. Yet he is Catholic.

Trust me Anna, he's right on this one.
BS. :) Just as I am constrained by my being female to thinking predominantly through female glasses, you are constrained to thinking mostly from a male POV, he is constrained to viewing, thinking, etc. through his religious dogma, besides being constrained to thinking from a male POV.. Atheists don't have the religious filters.
BTW, I know he is Catholic, a little bit anyway.
 

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BS. :) Just as I am constrained by my being female to thinking predominantly through female glasses, you are constrained to thinking mostly from a male POV, he is constrained to viewing, thinking, etc. through his religious dogma, besides being constrained to thinking from a male POV..
BTW, I know he is Catholic, a little bit anyway.
Oh he's Catholic alright, no doubt about that, as is Karrie. Not even debatable.

But they think way outside the mould, way way out side the mould.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Splitting hairs. Our concept of Good and Evil, which defines our secular justice system and principles is founded in the West, on Christian morals. The reason the West is falling apart, economically, culturally, morally is that is has tried in the last 40 years to define a separate subjective morality.. that is becoming increasingly absurd and destructive.. as in the legitimization and celebration of such a grave disorder and pathology as homosexuality

We are long past thy days when we used to pass laws with reference to Bible, and thank goodness for that. As to it becoming absurd and destructive, that is your opinion only. I much prefer today's society than the virtual Theocracy we had 50 or 100 years ago.

In the Catholic priesthood PEDERASTY is almost exclusively homosexual in character.
Again, your opinion only. Study after study has shown that pedophilia is predominantly heterosexual in character, not homosexual.

I think i stated there are other evils. Virtually all a function of powerlust.. or Pride as the Church would describe it. It would probably define abortion, a holocaust that has claimed perhaps 100 million lives in the West in the last 40 years as the greatest evil.
I didn't say there are other evils, I said the Church thinks that there are other evils. Church sees evils under every rock. Anybody who disagrees with Catholic Church is evil.

As far as men and women go, the Church merely affirms there are intrinsic differences and gifts in both. If we ignore them with the construct that we are exactly the same... psychologically, physically, temperamentally, emotionally, vocationally.. it will in fact destroy the constructive relationship between men and women, and produce a chaotic, discordant and deeply neurotic culture. Which is exactly what we have seen, with the proliferation of divorce, promiscuity, homosexuality.. and the collapse of nuclear family.
And how are these bad things? How is this any worse than homosexuals staying in the closet, losing their jobs being thrown out of their apartment, getting beat up, getting imprisoned, as used to happen in the good old days?

Or how is divorce today any worse than people staying together in the old days, in unhappy, miserable, even abusive relationships? Husband would get drunk and beat his wife practically every day, the wife would still say in the marriage because her church told her so.

It is popular culture that has invented an atagonistic rather than complimentary relationship between the sexes, not the Church.
Exactly, Catholic teaching is that men and women are complementary (and not complimentary, as you have written), they are not equal. Man is superior, woman is inferior. Man is the captain, woman is the first mate. Man is the CEO, woman is the VP. That kind of regressive, anachronistic teaching belongs in an extremist church, not in a secular society.

My Bible starts at Eve. If you want to put your trust in fairy tales, that is your choice.
Well, talk about the theatre of the absurd. Lilith is a fairy tell, and Eve isn't?
 

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Oh he's Catholic alright, no doubt about that, as is Karrie. Not even debatable.

But they think way outside the mould, way way out side the mould.
Yeah, I read where Gerry likes to disobey one of the commandments in a huge way. Or at least attach his own quirky twist to it.
Karrie just thinks without accepting the dogma at face value like a good little robot would. She definitely has her own mind. Gerry, not so much.
 

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Men are from Mars, and women: from Venus - and Gawd help 'em all if their politics lean too much left, too much right, undermined in between cuz we can't understand what we otherwise mean....
 

gerryh

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Yeah, I read where Gerry likes to disobey one of the commandments in a huge way. Or at least attach his own quirky twist to it.
Karrie just thinks without accepting the dogma at face value like a good little robot would. She definitely has her own mind. Gerry, not so much.


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