That's irrelevant to this point Bear - we still have the power to enact changes to Canadian Law as a voting body. Not so with the church - and I don't single out any specific religion - it's a general comment on the difference between imposed rules and rules sanctioned by us, for us.
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That's irrelevant to this point Bear - we still have the power to enact changes to Canadian Law as a voting body. Not so with the church - and I don't single out any specific religion - it's a general comment on the difference between imposed rules and rules sanctioned by us, for us.
Funny how people oppose religion and propose no alternative other than a delusional hippie inspired 'just love everyone, man' mantra to live their lives by, or 'people are just natuarully 'good' and will grow up just fine without and moral teachings'.
Do some research and you will find large studies have been done looking at 100's thousands of people raised with and without religion. Guess what the results are? Don't know? Don't want to know? In a nutshell the religious people are more sane, less suicidal, less liekly to go to jail, have better paying jobs and even better sex lives. Go on bashing all you like, the results speak for themselves, please do us all a favor and propose an alternative or stop your whining...or show me some research proving non-religious people do better in society, then I'll join your 'anti religious religon'.
Do some research and you will find large studies have been done looking at 100's thousands of people raised with and without religion. Guess what the results are? Don't know? Don't want to know? In a nutshell the religious people are more sane, less suicidal, less liekly to go to jail, have better paying jobs and even better sex lives. Go on bashing all you like, the results speak for themselves, please do us all a favor and propose an alternative or stop your whining...or show me some research proving non-religious people do better in society, then I'll join your 'anti religious religon'.
Look into the Magna Carta, the first couple lines are enough.
Try and change the foundation of the law Zan.
What studies are these?
I'm not religious and I am doing quite well for my self and am happy. I suppose I must be an oddity in Canada in that regard.
Funny how people think their particular religion is the panacea to everything in life and ignore the fact there are other religious people who think the same about their religion. Also they forget that there are people that have been getting along perfectly well without religions for thousands of years. There is no proprietorship on social behavior.
Yeah, it's pretty tough for non-religious people to live in a mostly religious world. How about testing and surveying a mostly non-religious world's religious habitants and then compare.
lol - maybe tomorrow - I think I'd need at least a day to tackle that and right now I have a lunch date with my daughter to get to. :lol:
but for the record, I think we're gotten down to splitting hairs here - the bottom line is that religion chooses rules for it's congregation, the state is authorized to do so with our permission.
oh and one more thing: I'm not suggesting that we throw the whole foundation of Canadian Law out the window - we don't tear down a whole house if only a few bricks need replacing - likewise with our laws. The foundation is strong, and I'm ok with giving credit for it's origins where it's due - but the distinction remains - there is due process (albeit tedious) to make changes... unlike rules that are solely determined by a religious body.
Granted benevolent social organization around family and community does provide the stability you speak of and that is exactly why religion has always sought to usurp that model which is universal and predates organized religion as we know it today. Those are the very best attributes of humanity and certainly not particular to any one religion. Having said that and recognizing that religion also respected that primal organizational model the church has always been a victim of its own stalled inertia and that is the bain of most human institutions I think.
ROFLMFAO......YOU have chosen, through your free will NOT to believe in God. Wonderfull, good for you. "I" have chosen, through my free will to believe in God and his church. I had/have that choice. Nobody forced it on me, just like nobody can tell me what I can and can't believe. Nobody can tell me that I am or am not a Catholic, good or otherwise. It is not their right to judge me, whether they be a lay person, a priest, a Bishop, or the Pope.
I have chosen the Catholic Church because "I" believe that certain things are required in my Faith. Baptism, reconciliation, Communion, and Confirmation, things that are not available in other Churches.
I have had it out with Parish Preists, I have gone against my local Bishops edicts because I didn't agree with them, and I have gone against Catholic doctorine when it comes to Homosexuality and sex. In my opinion the Church has gotten a few things wrong in their interpretation of scriptures, but that doesn't mean I "throw the baby out with the bath water".
Yours and annag's assumptions that Christians or Catholics have no free will because of the Church is asinine at the least. God gave us all free will and the ability to exercise that free will however we want. You exercise yours by not believing and others exercise theirs by believing what they believe.
Then it is about 500 years after this computer.Here's a great Christian invention: it's the first computer (besides fingers and toes).
Just so happens that the Christians who invented it were polytheistic Sumerians around 2500 years before Christ was supposedly wandering around.
Get a grip, Peewee. I don't assume that Christians have no free will. I am, however, positive that Christians view everything through Christian-biased filters.
So your free will was a gift. I developed my own free will.
Not believing what? I simply don't care if there are gods or not. You can't grasp that?
ahah Thank you. More evidence of the great Christian invention we call the "abacus". lolThen it is about 500 years after this computer.
BTW, about 2500 BC was the first appearance of the Sumerian abacus. The Chinese invented theirs about 3100 BC. Inventions can sprout up simultaneously or separately. Either way, they had nothing to do with Christianity.
Me too, but I suspect you already did...
Gotta have that emotie! I think that's how I look lately about 98% of the time. :lol:
What is wrong with God of thunder and God of lightening? That is no more illogical, no more superstitious than God of Bible or God of Koran.
I just love it when idiots stick their feet in their mouths right up to their thighs..... taste good anna?
My statement, and your reply. I highlighted the pertinant parts to make it easier for your, obviously, limited brain capacity to understand.
So, do you often spout off and then not remember what it is you spouted off about?
I'm always amazed at the amount of energy expended by self proclaimed atheist to convince everyone else that there is no God an in the same breath proclaim that atheism is not a religion:lol:
Hell ....they're worst than Jehovah witnesses.....they don't go door to door but do the equivalent in forum postings...
Methinks they doth protest too much
I don’t think it is the Atheists who try to evangelize. That is the job of Christians and Muslims; they have a God given mandate of world evangelization. Also, some Christians try to implement the Bible (or their version of Bible) into the law, with their wanting to ban all abortions, teaching Creationism in public schools, school prayers, banning gay marriage (in Canada) and recriminalizing homosexuality (in USA).
That understandably provokes a reaction from Atheists. The days are long gone when Church used to burn Atheists at the stake for heresy, where Atheists used to lie low, afraid to express their beliefs.
And I think this is what bothers at least some Christians. In the olds days, most Atheists were in the closet, like gays. How dare they express their atheism openly?
:roll: Jeeez Gerry, I'd have thought even a 4 year old could say there's a difference between free will and free thought. Here, let me help:
Free Online Dictionary
from the same place;
Seeing as you like ad hominems, here's one for you: if you would remove your head from your rectum, relieve your constipation, and stick it in a dictionary, you might be able to see the differences in things.
Until then I guess you are resigned to viewing the world through sh..... brown-colored glasses.
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