The Official Canadian Electoral Reform Thread

Which would you choose among the OP's options?

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    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • 2.

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • 3.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 6.

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • 7.

    Votes: 3 42.9%

  • Total voters
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mentalfloss

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform

!! Thought we, the Canadian people owned this one. I guess not more.

The process is fair now that it is proportional.

Consultation and discussion with Canadians is better than a referendum.
 

mentalfloss

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform

Because Canadians aren't educated enough on the different systems of electoral reform?
 

mentalfloss

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform

They did.
 

mentalfloss

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform

Dissatisfaction with the familiar first-past-the-post — or FPTP — system seems fairly established. It distorts the relationship between votes cast and results with a winner-take-all outcome. Powerful majority governments are routinely elected with less than 40 per cent of the popular vote. Small parties such as the Greens are often penalized badly or shut out entirely. Many complain that FPTP creates wasted votes and, as a result, has encouraged political disaffection, public disengagement and declining voter participation.

Scott Reid on why Scott Reid is wrong on democratic reform | Ottawa Citizen
 

Corduroy

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform

Just because I think the scumified scumbags are so scummy that they can only aspire to become pond scum?

No thesaurus necessary.

(Missed me, didn't you?)

I wouldn't miss scum like you. ;-)
 

taxslave

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform



Liberals back down on electoral reform committee, support NDP changes

The Liberal government has agreed to support, with amendments, an NDP motion that gives no one party a majority of seats on a committee to study electoral reform.

At the NDP's suggestion, seats on the committee would be allotted proportionally according to the popular vote in last year's federal election. The 12-member committee will thus be composed of five Liberals, three Conservatives, two New Democrats, one member of the Bloc Québécois and Green MP Elizabeth May.

That counters a Liberal proposal that would have based the committee, like all other committees of the House of Commons, on the current seat count, with six Liberals, three Conservatives and one New Democrat (the Liberals also proposed that one member of the Bloc and May could have non-voting seats on the committee).

The Liberals had been criticized for trying to give themselves a majority of the committee's seats, essentially basing the committee on the first-past-the-post voting system that the government is committed to replacing.

NDP MP Nathan Cullen publicly suggested the NDP's preferred design in February, but the Liberals did not show interest and instead tabled their own proposal last month, before backing down today.

Liberals back down on electoral reform committee, support NDP changes - Politics - CBC News

Although neither the party nor the government has taken an official position, the Liberals are widely thought to be leaning towards a ranked or preferential ballot system, while the New Democrats and Green parties have long pushed for full proportional representation.

Meanwhile, the Conservatives could find themselves in an unlikely and potentially politically awkward alliance with the Bloc Quebecois, currently the only other party at the table that has come out in favour of the status quo

Kady O’Malley: Liberals back NDP idea for electoral reform committee, giving up majority control

Love the silence here.

In the real world the Cons are accusing NDP and Libs of a backroom deal :lol:

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told reporters that he took to heart complaints that his government was behaving in a way that resembled the “previous government.”

“We saw clearly that the approach was raising questions in the minds of many Canadians and indeed opposition parties,” Trudeau said during a press conference in Ottawa.


Liberals Wave White Flag On Electoral Reform Committee

“Today is about us demonstrating that we continue to be committed to our promise to listen to Canadians,” Monsef said. “We recognize that good ideas come from all parties. We recognize that Canadians expect us to cooperate and collaborate.”

That’s the sort of honeyed talk that generally prompts eye-rolling around Parliament Hill. But it’s hard to deny the potency of a majority government voluntarily diluting its power on such a key committee. That’s not how Ottawa usually works. “The impetus for all of this is to get the conversation beyond one on process and for the committee to begin its work of hearing from all Canadians,” Monsef said when asked why the Liberals bowed to NDP pressure. “That is our motive for all this.”

MACLEANS: A surprise turn for Canada’s debate on electoral reform

Do you think the new electoral reform committee will create change? | rabble.ca

Reacting to the surprising news on Thursday that the Liberals will support, with a few amendments, the NDP’s motion on the establishment of an electoral reform committee, Conservative MP Scott Reid described the development as a “backroom deal” and announced they’d be voting against it.

What the party’s democratic reform critic didn’t say was whether they’d participate in a committee they won’t be able to prevent from forming. Caught completely off- guard by the sudden turn of events, the Conservatives now appear to be scrambling to figure out their next steps.

Do they participate in a committee they think is illegitimate and thereby give it legitimacy? Or do they boycott the entire process?

Tories furious about ‘backroom’ electoral reform deal

Seven leftys, One raving loon, one separatist and only only three members to represent Canadians. Not any better than what trudOWE planned.
 

Curious Cdn

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform

These twerps might just create a Canada in which they will rarely form governments. Their "majorities" are almost always popular vote minorities.
 

Colpy

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform


Oh Good Lord!

We don't need the constitution, that document Pierre turned into a Trudeaupian piece of horse manure, all we need is the people.

The electoral system does not belong to the politicians, to the high foreheads, to the lawyers, to the politicians, ....it belongs to the people.

We require a referendum.

We demand a referendum.

And here's a little secret.....according to the polls, the method preferred by the people is......FPTP.

The process is fair now that it is proportional.

Consultation and discussion with Canadians is better than a referendum.

First of all, no it isn't.

Second of all, WHAT "consultation and discussion"?
 

Mowich

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform

....and as soon as the arrogant bastards realize that the foundational aspects of the electoral system are NOT theirs to change, that they belong to the people, and that the people MUST be consulted to make any change legitimate, then I will say we have actually achieved something.

Until then, it is just Liberal scum playing Liberal scummy games.

Right frickin' on Colpy......where the heck have you been?:smile:

Because Canadians aren't educated enough on the different systems of electoral reform?

Sometimes, mentalfloss you mirror the arrogance of the liberals - this is definitely one of those times.
 

darkbeaver

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform

The process is fair now that it is proportional.

Consultation and discussion with Canadians is better than a referendum.

Have we not had discussion and consultation up until now? This our government as in our dog or our Meceedes. What is it you hate about democracy?

Dissatisfaction with the familiar first-past-the-post — or FPTP — system seems fairly established. It distorts the relationship between votes cast and results with a winner-take-all outcome. Powerful majority governments are routinely elected with less than 40 per cent of the popular vote. Small parties such as the Greens are often penalized badly or shut out entirely. Many complain that FPTP creates wasted votes and, as a result, has encouraged political disaffection, public disengagement and declining voter participation.

Scott Reid on why Scott Reid is wrong on democratic reform | Ottawa Citizen

Incidently who is the actor in your avatar? I remember being very entertained by his comedy but cannot for my life remeber the sit-com.
 

Colpy

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform

It is simple fear of a referendum that has brought the Liberals to their latest show of compromise. Changing the Commons committee is their version of Anything But A Referendum on electoral reform. They fear the public, if asked, may stick with what they have, believing the much-maligned FPTP is worthy, proven and true. And despite the factitious claims that it is undemocratic — which are, on the face of it, just silly — people trust more what they know and have practised, than a new system set up to award some peculiar advantage to the government of the day and parties that simply can’t win under the current, accepted rules.
Demos means people, and cracy means rule — democracy is built from these terms, If the current government fears going to the people for the people’s views on how the people rule, then we see that this whole enterprise is pure politics under a reform label, and an attempted usurpation of the people’s right to determine how they elect their own government. The sacred act of voting is not the politicians’ to dispose or mutate according to the partisan dispositions of the moment.
Not even because it’s 2016.

Rex Murphy: Discontent with FPTP is mainly a manufactured discontent, advanced by the players — not the voters | National Post
 

pgs

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform

Because Canadians aren't educated enough on the different systems of electoral reform?
So you are saying our vaunted education system is not working ?
 

mentalfloss

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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform

Nobody (with any activist intent).

That's why the flies hate me.