The Official Canadian Electoral Reform Thread
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It's entirely up to the governing party if they would agree to a referendum.
The thing is, only the Conservatives are making this suggestion, so it would be up to them to suggest what would actually go in this referendum.
And we know how lazy conbots are when it comes to doing work so I wouldn't expect much.
The thing is, only the Conservatives are making this suggestion, so it would be up to them to suggest what would actually go in this referendum.
And we know how lazy conbots are when it comes to doing work so I wouldn't expect much.
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Signs Liberals may be wavering on electoral reform
Have the Liberals abandoned their efforts to gerrymander the electoral system to their advantage?
An interview on the weekend with the hapless democratic institutions minister, Maryam Monsef, suggested they may be wavering in their commitment to make the 2015 election the last held under the current first past the post system.
“Canadians can rest assured that unless we have their broad buy-in, we’re not moving forward with any changes,” she told the Toronto Star.
At first blush, this looks as if the Liberals have recognized their efforts to stack the parliamentary committee looking at the options might upset even those normally friendly to the government. “Broad buy-in” would suggest a majority of Canadians supporting any new voting proposal in a referendum.
Opposition parties rubbed their palms and looked forward to grilling the minister in question period.
There is a cruel natural selection process in the parliamentary jungle and the rookie minister has been identified as the weakest link.
In previous appearances, she has said a referendum on changing the fundamentals of Canadian democracy would not be sufficiently inclusive, excluding young people, women and minorities.
She has also said that her government would be listening to Canadians via Twitter, “the 21st century way”.
John Ivison: Signs Liberals may be wavering on electoral reform | National Post
Have the Liberals abandoned their efforts to gerrymander the electoral system to their advantage?
An interview on the weekend with the hapless democratic institutions minister, Maryam Monsef, suggested they may be wavering in their commitment to make the 2015 election the last held under the current first past the post system.
“Canadians can rest assured that unless we have their broad buy-in, we’re not moving forward with any changes,” she told the Toronto Star.
At first blush, this looks as if the Liberals have recognized their efforts to stack the parliamentary committee looking at the options might upset even those normally friendly to the government. “Broad buy-in” would suggest a majority of Canadians supporting any new voting proposal in a referendum.
Opposition parties rubbed their palms and looked forward to grilling the minister in question period.
There is a cruel natural selection process in the parliamentary jungle and the rookie minister has been identified as the weakest link.
In previous appearances, she has said a referendum on changing the fundamentals of Canadian democracy would not be sufficiently inclusive, excluding young people, women and minorities.
She has also said that her government would be listening to Canadians via Twitter, “the 21st century way”.
John Ivison: Signs Liberals may be wavering on electoral reform | National Post
Re: Signs Liberals may be wavering on electoral reform
How would woman and minorities be excluded from a referendum? They will get 1 vote like everybody. As for young people, if you want to include the brainless pubescent twits just lower the voting age. But they made it 18 for a reason.
How would woman and minorities be excluded from a referendum? They will get 1 vote like everybody. As for young people, if you want to include the brainless pubescent twits just lower the voting age. But they made it 18 for a reason.
Re: Signs Liberals may be wavering on electoral reform
Maryam Monsef
Please, please please get this woman out of cabinet. She is incredibly ignorant, arrogant, and appears to have all the IQ of a rutabaga. If I were in Parliament, I would have to be manacled to my desk, or I would charge across the House and elbow her in the boob.
Maryam Monsef
Please, please please get this woman out of cabinet. She is incredibly ignorant, arrogant, and appears to have all the IQ of a rutabaga. If I were in Parliament, I would have to be manacled to my desk, or I would charge across the House and elbow her in the boob.
BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform
Liberals back down on electoral reform committee, support NDP changes
The Liberal government has agreed to support, with amendments, an NDP motion that gives no one party a majority of seats on a committee to study electoral reform.
At the NDP's suggestion, seats on the committee would be allotted proportionally according to the popular vote in last year's federal election. The 12-member committee will thus be composed of five Liberals, three Conservatives, two New Democrats, one member of the Bloc Québécois and Green MP Elizabeth May.
That counters a Liberal proposal that would have based the committee, like all other committees of the House of Commons, on the current seat count, with six Liberals, three Conservatives and one New Democrat (the Liberals also proposed that one member of the Bloc and May could have non-voting seats on the committee).
The Liberals had been criticized for trying to give themselves a majority of the committee's seats, essentially basing the committee on the first-past-the-post voting system that the government is committed to replacing.
NDP MP Nathan Cullen publicly suggested the NDP's preferred design in February, but the Liberals did not show interest and instead tabled their own proposal last month, before backing down today.
Liberals back down on electoral reform committee, support NDP changes - Politics - CBC News
Although neither the party nor the government has taken an official position, the Liberals are widely thought to be leaning towards a ranked or preferential ballot system, while the New Democrats and Green parties have long pushed for full proportional representation.
Meanwhile, the Conservatives could find themselves in an unlikely and potentially politically awkward alliance with the Bloc Quebecois, currently the only other party at the table that has come out in favour of the status quo
Kady O’Malley: Liberals back NDP idea for electoral reform committee, giving up majority control
Love the silence here.
In the real world the Cons are accusing NDP and Libs of a backroom deal :lol:
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told reporters that he took to heart complaints that his government was behaving in a way that resembled the “previous government.”
“We saw clearly that the approach was raising questions in the minds of many Canadians and indeed opposition parties,” Trudeau said during a press conference in Ottawa.
Liberals Wave White Flag On Electoral Reform Committee
“Today is about us demonstrating that we continue to be committed to our promise to listen to Canadians,” Monsef said. “We recognize that good ideas come from all parties. We recognize that Canadians expect us to cooperate and collaborate.”
That’s the sort of honeyed talk that generally prompts eye-rolling around Parliament Hill. But it’s hard to deny the potency of a majority government voluntarily diluting its power on such a key committee. That’s not how Ottawa usually works. “The impetus for all of this is to get the conversation beyond one on process and for the committee to begin its work of hearing from all Canadians,” Monsef said when asked why the Liberals bowed to NDP pressure. “That is our motive for all this.”
MACLEANS: A surprise turn for Canada’s debate on electoral reform
Do you think the new electoral reform committee will create change? | rabble.ca
Reacting to the surprising news on Thursday that the Liberals will support, with a few amendments, the NDP’s motion on the establishment of an electoral reform committee, Conservative MP Scott Reid described the development as a “backroom deal” and announced they’d be voting against it.
What the party’s democratic reform critic didn’t say was whether they’d participate in a committee they won’t be able to prevent from forming. Caught completely off- guard by the sudden turn of events, the Conservatives now appear to be scrambling to figure out their next steps.
Do they participate in a committee they think is illegitimate and thereby give it legitimacy? Or do they boycott the entire process?
Tories furious about ‘backroom’ electoral reform deal
Liberals back down on electoral reform committee, support NDP changes
The Liberal government has agreed to support, with amendments, an NDP motion that gives no one party a majority of seats on a committee to study electoral reform.
At the NDP's suggestion, seats on the committee would be allotted proportionally according to the popular vote in last year's federal election. The 12-member committee will thus be composed of five Liberals, three Conservatives, two New Democrats, one member of the Bloc Québécois and Green MP Elizabeth May.
That counters a Liberal proposal that would have based the committee, like all other committees of the House of Commons, on the current seat count, with six Liberals, three Conservatives and one New Democrat (the Liberals also proposed that one member of the Bloc and May could have non-voting seats on the committee).
The Liberals had been criticized for trying to give themselves a majority of the committee's seats, essentially basing the committee on the first-past-the-post voting system that the government is committed to replacing.
NDP MP Nathan Cullen publicly suggested the NDP's preferred design in February, but the Liberals did not show interest and instead tabled their own proposal last month, before backing down today.
Liberals back down on electoral reform committee, support NDP changes - Politics - CBC News
Although neither the party nor the government has taken an official position, the Liberals are widely thought to be leaning towards a ranked or preferential ballot system, while the New Democrats and Green parties have long pushed for full proportional representation.
Meanwhile, the Conservatives could find themselves in an unlikely and potentially politically awkward alliance with the Bloc Quebecois, currently the only other party at the table that has come out in favour of the status quo
Kady O’Malley: Liberals back NDP idea for electoral reform committee, giving up majority control
Love the silence here.
In the real world the Cons are accusing NDP and Libs of a backroom deal :lol:
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told reporters that he took to heart complaints that his government was behaving in a way that resembled the “previous government.”
“We saw clearly that the approach was raising questions in the minds of many Canadians and indeed opposition parties,” Trudeau said during a press conference in Ottawa.
Liberals Wave White Flag On Electoral Reform Committee
“Today is about us demonstrating that we continue to be committed to our promise to listen to Canadians,” Monsef said. “We recognize that good ideas come from all parties. We recognize that Canadians expect us to cooperate and collaborate.”
That’s the sort of honeyed talk that generally prompts eye-rolling around Parliament Hill. But it’s hard to deny the potency of a majority government voluntarily diluting its power on such a key committee. That’s not how Ottawa usually works. “The impetus for all of this is to get the conversation beyond one on process and for the committee to begin its work of hearing from all Canadians,” Monsef said when asked why the Liberals bowed to NDP pressure. “That is our motive for all this.”
MACLEANS: A surprise turn for Canada’s debate on electoral reform
Do you think the new electoral reform committee will create change? | rabble.ca
Reacting to the surprising news on Thursday that the Liberals will support, with a few amendments, the NDP’s motion on the establishment of an electoral reform committee, Conservative MP Scott Reid described the development as a “backroom deal” and announced they’d be voting against it.
What the party’s democratic reform critic didn’t say was whether they’d participate in a committee they won’t be able to prevent from forming. Caught completely off- guard by the sudden turn of events, the Conservatives now appear to be scrambling to figure out their next steps.
Do they participate in a committee they think is illegitimate and thereby give it legitimacy? Or do they boycott the entire process?
Tories furious about ‘backroom’ electoral reform deal
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Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform
I like it when politicians admit mistakes and correct them.
I like it when politicians admit mistakes and correct them.
Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform
CC Priorities 2016
Elbowgate:
Canada’s democracy to be significantly reformed:
*crickets*
CC Priorities 2016
Elbowgate:
Canada’s democracy to be significantly reformed:
*crickets*
Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform
Unless you're a Conservative.
In which case it's a rough tumble down the Hill.
Unless you're a Conservative.
In which case it's a rough tumble down the Hill.
Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform
....and as soon as the arrogant bastards realize that the foundational aspects of the electoral system are NOT theirs to change, that they belong to the people, and that the people MUST be consulted to make any change legitimate, then I will say we have actually achieved something.
Until then, it is just Liberal scum playing Liberal scummy games.
....and as soon as the arrogant bastards realize that the foundational aspects of the electoral system are NOT theirs to change, that they belong to the people, and that the people MUST be consulted to make any change legitimate, then I will say we have actually achieved something.
Until then, it is just Liberal scum playing Liberal scummy games.
Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform
Someone get Colpy a thesaurus for his birthday.
Someone get Colpy a thesaurus for his birthday.
Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform
I thought we already lived in a democratic perfection. How can we make great better?
Free univercity, for the worthy. We must build us a priestly class. Each applicant must pass the water test.
I have to agree with you.
I thought we already lived in a democratic perfection. How can we make great better?
Free univercity, for the worthy. We must build us a priestly class. Each applicant must pass the water test.
I have to agree with you.
Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform
!! Thought we, the Canadian people owned this one. I guess not more.
!! Thought we, the Canadian people owned this one. I guess not more.
Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform
Just because I think the scumified scumbags are so scummy that they can only aspire to become pond scum?
No thesaurus necessary.
(Missed me, didn't you?)
Just because I think the scumified scumbags are so scummy that they can only aspire to become pond scum?
No thesaurus necessary.
(Missed me, didn't you?)
Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform
They can only hope to become pond scum, I fear they are only ordinary scum, predtentious ordinary scum, of little or no value, cancel thier contract.
They can only hope to become pond scum, I fear they are only ordinary scum, predtentious ordinary scum, of little or no value, cancel thier contract.
Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform
To make soup from the leg bone?
To make soup from the leg bone?
Re: BREAKING: Liberals agree to NDP proposal on Electoral Reform
Good to see you back Colpy.
Good to see you back Colpy.