The Official Canadian Electoral Reform Thread

Which would you choose among the OP's options?

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AnnaG

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So be it. Im for one person one vote - and every vote should be worth the same no matter where it was cast. That is far from the case now with ridings having huge population differences.
Rep by pop. As I already pointed out, that creates regional disparity and feuds between areas and provinces. It is not exactly conducive to Canada's forward movement.

The Conservative base was in the west. Harper and a good chunk of his cabinet ministers were from Alberta. If that doesnt count as control then perhaps Albertans voted for the wrong people.
Harper is from Toronto. He only got uni education and some work experience (not even in his field of schooling) in AB.

To date, not including Justine, Glibs will have had 10 times as gov't for a total of 68 years, Cons have formed gov't 9 times for a total of 39 years. The ONLY PMs from the west (as in west of ON/MB border) were Kim Campbell and Joe Who. I am not going to count ministers nor where they all came from, but I would make a bet that a large majority of them were from the east.

In theory, not in practice. Some ridings have populations as low as 30,000 while others have over 100,000. That gives those 30,000 much more power compared to those in the highly populated ridings
That is what I meant when I said ECan fiddles with boundaries. I think the riding for greater Toronto is the least represented in the country, in fact.

2006. Harper may have been born in Ontario but his riding is in the west and he has lived there for decades.
I have lived in BC for almost all of my life, but when someone asks where I am from, I say northern Manitoba.

Neither is a true mandate from the masses. Both are a fine example of just how broken our system is.
Exactly.

Adding lots to the discussion I see .
That is just Gerry. He thinks he has "guts" because he can swear, call people names, and toss insults around.

There is a colony of trolls on here who feed off of each other's "witicisms". They are tiresome and obnoxious.
Another Western Fascist, I see.
Yup. Very witty.

I think that would be 'lack of witicisms', they are trolls after all so they aren't very brght to begin with.
HEY!! Trolling is fun when everyone plays.
 

Curious Cdn

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Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

The West still wants in. The West had the chance and the other 7/9 the of the federation said "enough". It may be a while until the West gets in again.

It must be really frustrating to people in BC who have a different culture (you would never see them firing environmental scientists because the oil industry doesn't like their conclusions) to watching this happening and then be tarred with the same brush. They never really " got in", only their neighbour.
 

captain morgan

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Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

It must be really frustrating to people in BC who have a different culture (you would never see them firing environmental scientists because the oil industry doesn't like their conclusions) to watching this happening and then be tarred with the same brush. They never really " got in", only their neighbour.

An excellent and astute point! Generally speaking, the BC scientists are far too busy pumping 100s of thousands of raw sewage into the ocean for the gubmint on any given day, so they are pretty valuable guys.

... Nothing gets by you, right champ?
 

AnnaG

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We have a friend who is a food scientist working at the BC gov't research station in S'land. He is pumping raw sewage into the Pacific? We will have to have a word with him about that.
 

pgs

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Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

The West still wants in. The West had the chance and the other 7/9 the of the federation said "enough". It may be a while until the West gets in again.

It must be really frustrating to people in BC who have a different culture (you would never see them firing environmental scientists because the oil industry doesn't like their conclusions) to watching this happening and then be tarred with the same brush. They never really " got in", only their neighbour.
No but we fire conservation officers for releasing bears back into the wild .
 

taxslave

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Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

We have a friend who is a food scientist working at the BC gov't research station in S'land. He is pumping raw sewage into the Pacific? We will have to have a word with him about that.

If he is in Victoria he is. The whole south part of the island has no sewage treatment. What is really odd is that there are so many self styled environmentalists there and yet they all claim their sh!t is pure. Unlike ther rest of the province.
 

Curious Cdn

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An excellent and astute point! Generally speaking, the BC scientists are far too busy pumping 100s of thousands of raw sewage into the ocean for the gubmint on any given day, so they are pretty valuable guys.

... Nothing gets by you, right champ?

So I was wrong. You SHOULD be tarred with that same brush as being mean-spiried and parochial.


Troll.
 

AnnaG

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If he is in Victoria he is. The whole south part of the island has no sewage treatment. What is really odd is that there are so many self styled environmentalists there and yet they all claim their sh!t is pure. Unlike ther rest of the province.
Omigawd, I hope S'land did not pack up and move to Vic.
 

JLM

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Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

In theory, not in practice. Some ridings have populations as low as 30,000 while others have over 100,000. That gives those 30,000 much more power compared to those in the highly populated ridings.


Wisely, population isn't the only criteria deciding the size of ridings. Those 3 northern ridings include almost half the land area of Canada and who knows what percentage of the natural resources? One of the biggest disparities is with P.E.I. methinks.

If he is in Victoria he is. The whole south part of the island has no sewage treatment. What is really odd is that there are so many self styled environmentalists there and yet they all claim their sh!t is pure. Unlike ther rest of the province.

Now there is a good project for Justin to kill two birds with one stone, create employment and improve the environment.
 

AnnaG

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Now there is a good project for Justin to kill two birds with one stone, create employment and improve the environment.
And maybe he could talk Summerland into moving out of Vic and going back to the Okanagan, too. But, I doubt Justine will pay much attention to the west.
 

JLM

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And maybe he could talk Summerland into moving out of Vic and going back to the Okanagan, too. But, I doubt Justine will pay much attention to the west.

He should - his mother was raised in North Vancouver!
 

billshaver

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if memory the grits have been in poer since 1963 to 1984...then the muldoon years till what 92....then the gris till what 05-06...and its the grits agin...hmmm....thats HON.L.BPEARSON, HON.P.E.TURDEAU...HONB.MULROONEY..HON.K.CAMBELL....HON.J.CRETIEN, HON.P.MARTIN. HON.S.HARPER & NOW...THE HON.J.TRUDEAU...a breath of clean fresh air in canada & the world ...JUST-IN-TIME!!! and soon in usa...if they play their cards right....
 

JLM

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if memory the grits have been in poer since 1963 to 1984...then the muldoon years till what 92....then the gris till what 05-06...and its the grits agin...hmmm....thats HON.L.BPEARSON, HON.P.E.TURDEAU...HONB.MULROONEY..HON.K.CAMBELL....HON.J.CRETIEN, HON.P.MARTIN. HON.S.HARPER & NOW...THE HON.J.TRUDEAU...a breath of clean fresh air in canada & the world ...JUST-IN-TIME!!! and soon in usa...if they play their cards right....

So you think they were all honorable! :)
 

billshaver

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more than most, had to address them by their title ..so there you go be fair..thats what canada is about no mateer how much you disagree...you treat people with respect...got it!!! another canadian attitude...it goes around the world well.belive you me...i hera it in manny a bar room in converstaions with people ...they can figure out where your from...without even stating it.....all by the way you treat people....yes my spelling might be off sentacnce structure...but try typing aftera few scotches reading people responses on here...you'd be half looped too!!!...but alwyas respect no matter what the other side sasy..even with those in usa ..eh!!..

one thing about HON.J.Trudeauu...he's not a potted plant..HE IS REAL!!!!

Please no harder than paddeling a canoe ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUHmPPPWlgY

AND OF COURSE TO ALL DOOM SAYERS:https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BdEtRaW0zAc
 

Walter

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if memory the grits have been in poer since 1963 to 1984...then the muldoon years till what 92....then the gris till what 05-06...and its the grits agin...hmmm....thats HON.L.BPEARSON, HON.P.E.TURDEAU...HONB.MULROONEY..HON.K.CAMBELL....HON.J.CRETIEN, HON.P.MARTIN. HON.S.HARPER & NOW...THE HON.J.TRUDEAU...a breath of clean fresh air in canada & the world ...JUST-IN-TIME!!! and soon in usa...if they play their cards right....
Your numbers and list are inaccurate.
 

Locutus

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Dean Skoreyko ‏@bcbluecon

Another Globe story after the election "Scrapping F-35 fighter jets may not lead to big savings, experts say"




remember kids...the media party IS the message.
 

Curious Cdn

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Dean Skoreyko ‏@bcbluecon

Another Globe story after the election "Scrapping F-35 fighter jets may not lead to big savings, experts say"




remember kids...the media party IS the message.
I don't know about cheaper but all accounts of the F-35 indicate that it is a crappy aircraft that the Americans are jamming down everyone's throats. We won't be the only ones cancelling out.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/f35-...scandal-says-coalition-mp-20140616-zs9po.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...story-s-biggest-white-elephants-10238761.html

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38448/f-35-worst-military-investment/

For one thing, it is a single engined aircraft and that alone doesn't meet Canadian spec.
Nothing was tendered properly, due process was not followed. This has nothing much to do with Justin as with a Defence Acquisition process that has gone way off track and both our naval and air force purchases are utterly buggered up, right now.
 
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B00Mer

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Liberals owe Canadians a referendum before ditching a successful election model after

Liberals owe Canadians a referendum before ditching a successful election model after 150 years



Rona Ambrose issued a bit of advice Wednesday to which Justin Trudeau would be wise to pay attention.

Ambrose warned the new prime minister to move cautiously on the Liberals’ pledge to introduce a radical makeover to Canada’s electoral system. Before ditching a system that has served the country well for almost 150 years and replacing it with an untried new model, she argued, he has a duty to examine just how keen Canadians are on wholesale change.

Canadians voted to get rid of Stephen Harper, not to embrace every individual component of the Liberal playbook.

“Mr. Speaker, when we change the rules of democracy everyone gets a say,” she said.

“Sixty per cent of Canadians did not vote for the Liberal Party. These millions and millions of Canadians who, as the Prime Minister said, he left in the dust get to have a say too. Does the Prime Minister only listen to Canadians who voted for Liberals, or will he govern for all Canadians and hold a referendum?”

The Liberal response was noteworthy, and may be indicative of what we can expect from a government that pledged a new level of openness but is already learning the art of the fudge.



The prime minister noted first that “over the past 10 years we have heard from many Canadians,” and found them deeply frustrated with Ottawa’s ways. Then he pointed out that the Liberals are determined to keep their promises, added that “Canadians want to be part of a change in government”, and took a few cheap shots at the previous government before rounding up with a pledge to “consult all Canadians, starting with the elected members of the House of Commons, to create a system of electoral reform that works for the whole country.”

His final word on the issue was: “We will do this right, based on what Canadians have to say, not what the Conservatives have to say.”

As an example of the new, heightened level of respect the Liberals assured us they would bring to Parliament, it’s not very promising. Nor is it suggestive that the government intends to end the partisanship it so often criticized. As Ambrose noted, the Liberal platform offered just a vague idea of the new system they want to introduce, indicating only that it would no longer be the traditional first-past-the-post. The rest is up in the air.

The Liberals can fairly argue that their disproportionate share of power is an example of the very system they want to change. With less than 40% of the vote, they have majority power for the next four years. Nonetheless, the basis of their claim to a mandate for a fundamental change to the electoral system is weak. They made more than 300 promises during the campaign; they have already broken some of the biggest, and seem set to backtrack on more. For many others there is no reasonable hope they can deliver. Canadians voted to get rid of Stephen Harper, not to embrace every individual component of the Liberal playbook. To suggest that the support of 40% of voters (and only 27% of Canadians as a whole) is justification for overturning the existing election system is a conspicuous example of the slippery politics Trudeau claims to eschew.

It’s no stretch to suggest few Canadians have a deep understanding of the options the Liberals have in mind. There are dozens of variations on proportional representation, many of them bewilderingly complex. When Ontario and British Columbia proposed reforms for provincial elections, voters delivered a firm thumbs down. Although many initially expressed approval of a voting change, the more details they learned, the less enthused they became. One big advantage of Canada’s current system is that you know what you’re getting: if most of the individual ridings choose Party X, you get a Party X government. In many of the alternatives, it can take days or weeks before the new government takes shape, due to deal-making, coalition talks, ranked ballots and other peculiarities of proportional representation. Belgium once took a full year to produce a government.

The Liberals owe Canadians a direct vote on any plan they put forward. Trudeau will only commit to broad cross-party talks. That’s not good enough. If he wants to act on the will of Canadians, he has to give them the opportunity to express that will via a referendum. Canadians want what’s good for Canada, not what’s satisfying for the Liberals.

source: Kelly McParland: Liberals owe Canadians a referendum before ditching a successful election model after 150 years | National Post
 

Curious Cdn

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Justin should think very carefully about ditching the electoral system that put him in power with about the same amount of the popular vote that also put Harper in power.