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[Curious Cdn]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

Why Richest Alberta Wins Most from Federal Transfer Payments

Why Richest Alberta Wins Most from Federal Transfer Payments - TheTyee.ca - Mobile

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/1...equal-in-canadas-equalization-payment-program

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/business/o...er-payments-budget-officer-confirms-1.2681192

 

[AnnaG]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

I doubt the "industrial east" as you call it will ever be 'have' provinces again. They have no more industry thanks to free trade. They also have little in the way of valuable resources with Quebec being even worse off because of their socialist environmental regulation. Ontario may rebound slightly but Quebec and the maritime will most likely remain net recipients of equalization for the rest of time.

Probably.

 

[gerryh]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

But still, more than you can handle.

Only in your dreams. You have a LONG way to go to even come close to my wife, and I can "handle" her just fine.

Like I said, you're just stupid. I sure hope you are a good fu ck, cause your SO sure isn't sticking around for your brains.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

Until the 2009-2010 fiscal year, Ontario was the only province to have never received equalization payments; in 2009-2010 Ontario will receive 347 million dollars,[8] while Newfoundland, which has received payments since the program's creation, is now a so-called "have" province, and is now a net contributor and does not receive payments.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_transfer_payments

True, Alberta has not received equalization payments(that would have come from Ontario) since the early 1960s specifically because of oil revenues. Let us hope and pray that $45 a barrel oil is temporary or it will happen again, soon.

 

[Walter]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

He'll get a pass like Obama did because the prior administration was so terrible.

Justine's not black.

I suppose one of the things I find most annoying about our electoral process is the inequality of seats among the regions. I cannot see how ON/QC should have more say over prairie issues or maritime or whatever issues than the people that live in those regions. It is one reason why I do not think a strong central government is anywhere near efficient.

Actually PEI is the most over represented.

 

[AnnaG]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

Only in your dreams. You have a LONG way to go to even come close to my wife, and I can "handle" her just fine.

Like I said, you're just stupid. I sure hope you are a good fu ck, cause your SO sure isn't sticking around for your brains.

yeah right. like I'd consider you seriously. :roll:

Funny how I can discuss a topic and when someone disagrees with what I say, they do not debate, they start the ad hominems, non-sequiturs, insults, name-calling, pigeonholing, etc.
Feckin funny. Sadly pathetic.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

Actually PEI is the most over represented.

Can we spare four little seats for them? Are we really such a hard hearted federation?

 

[AnnaG]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

Actually PEI is the most over represented.

Yes, I know. Our original Rep by Pop has been warped a bit since it started.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

I doubt the "industrial east" as you call it will ever be 'have' provinces again. They have no more industry thanks to free trade. They also have little in the way of valuable resources with Quebec being even worse off because of their socialist environmental regulation. Ontario may rebound slightly but Quebec and the maritime will most likely remain net recipients of equalization for the rest of time.

Well, I earn my living completely from manufacturing, have almost always done so.
Just about everyone that I know does, as well. I live in the fourth most wealthy town in Canada and a good part of the local wealth comes from activities like the Ford Assembly Plant just down the street from me that is still going strong.

Top Employers by Sector

BTW, I work in Mississauga, not Oakville.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_corporations_based_in_Mississauga

So, the Town of Oakville neighbouring Mississauga are a small part of the pie in this region. Together, they have the population of Calgary, which is roughly 1/6th of the GTA.

The economy is hot here. It is VERY busy everywhere you go.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

Can we spare four little seats for them?

Why should a population of 146,000 get 4 seats when most other constituencies across Canada get 1 seat for 125,000 or so. It makes no sense and is inequitable application of the law.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

Why should a population of 146,000 get 4 seats when most other constituencies across Canada get 1 seat for 125,000 or so. It makes no sense and is inequitable application of the law.

They've had four seats since Confederation. How about the Yukon? Nunavut?, NWT? they are all a lot smaller than PEI. They have one each but they are together about the size of PEI.

 

[WLDB]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

By the way, if the First Past the Post is replaced by some sort of Rep by Pop system, the West loses leverage.

So be it. Im for one person one vote - and every vote should be worth the same no matter where it was cast. That is far from the case now with ridings having huge population differences.

The oil producing provinces were the economic engine, but that's about it... No control, just the national ATM machine

The Conservative base was in the west. Harper and a good chunk of his cabinet ministers were from Alberta. If that doesnt count as control then perhaps Albertans voted for the wrong people.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

So be it. Im for one person one vote - and every vote should be worth the same no matter where it was cast. That is far from the case now with ridings having huge population differences.



The Conservative base was in the west. Harper and a good chunk of his cabinet ministers were from Alberta. If that doesnt count as control then perhaps Albertans voted for the wrong people.

The less populace places will lose a lot. My Oakville ballot is worth less than most because I live in a populace riding (120,000) I believe, though, that it is a reasonable concession to make for the sake of a Federation that is anything but homogenus in population or wealth any way that you look a it.

Are we citizens or customers?

There was, at one time, a strong cabinet from across the country.The loss if Jim Flaherty turned out to be colossal. Peter MacKay and John Baird appear to have dropped the government like a live grenade. They must have known ...

 

[WLDB]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

We ARE rep by pop still for the most part even though ECan fiddles with boundaries now and then.

In theory, not in practice. Some ridings have populations as low as 30,000 while others have over 100,000. That gives those 30,000 much more power compared to those in the highly populated ridings.

When was the last time someone from the west got into the PM chair?

2006. Harper may have been born in Ontario but his riding is in the west and he has lived there for decades.

Actually PEI is the most over represented.

It is. It should just be one riding. Its population is comparable to the territories which get 1 MP each. Unfortunately that rule saying provinces cant have less MPs than Senators gets in the way. Hopefully that'll change someday.

 

[captain morgan]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

Actually no, because as your economy slumps, ours is growing, again.

Yeah, sure... I hear all kinds of wonderful things about the break-neck speed at which the Ontario economy is booming.

PS - DeBeers has announced that they are moving their HQ from Toronto to Calgary... Guess that the bustling economy in TO was just to fast-paced for them

"Champ". (Do you actually talk to people like that? Were you raised by wolves?)

Did I call you champ?.. Apologies on that, what I meant to write was douchebag.

PS - on the raised by wolves thingy; answer is a resounding yes - hence the reason that I don't slap up siding for a living

The Conservative base was in the west. Harper and a good chunk of his cabinet ministers were from Alberta. If that doesnt count as control then perhaps Albertans voted for the wrong people.

With respect, the elections are over once the start counting the ballots in Manitoba... As far as Federal politics goes, there is no such thing as a Western base of power

 

[Jinentonix]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

It's pretty sad that the Tory press is upset that more people chose to exercise their right to vote, I guess that means that democracy is only democracy if it's right wing voters making the choices.

Yep. Kind'a like how a 39.6% majority govt was a farce and an affront to democracy from 2009 til now but Trudeau's 39.5% majority victory means he has a clear cut mandate.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

Yep. Kind'a like how a 39.6% majority govt was a farce and an affront to democracy from 2009 til now but Trudeau's 39.5% majority victory means he has a clear cut mandate.

Neither is a true mandate from the masses. Both are a fine example of just how broken our system is.

 

[pgs]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

Only in your dreams. You have a LONG way to go to even come close to my wife, and I can "handle" her just fine.

Like I said, you're just stupid. I sure hope you are a good fu ck, cause your SO sure isn't sticking around for your brains.

Adding lots to the discussion I see .

 

[Curious Cdn]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

Adding lots to the discussion I see .

There is a colony of trolls on here who feed off of each other's "witicisms". They are tiresome and obnoxious.

 

[MHz]

Re: Trudeau’s electoral-reform pledge will be hard to accomplish

I think that would be 'lack of witicisms', they are trolls after all so they aren't very brght to begin with.