The Myth of the Good Guy With a Gun
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rights? Well... ceptin' the women-folk and males over 45-years of age, hey! :mrgreen: No guns for them, hey! I mean, c'mon... you fall-back to the militia and your 'wiggle-room' definition: " The Militia are the people, and the people are the Militia" - but not women and males over 45-years of age!!! :mrgreen:
again, you claim you have no personal problem with licensing and background checks... but you 'kick that to the curb' as concerns the U.S.??? WANNABE!
you're deep Walter, deep! Way to contribute to the thread. Carry on.
at least you admit there's a RISE IN NON-FATAL GUN INJURIES. Like I said, baby steps with you!
I look forward to your data that speaks to identifying the rise (YOU NOW ACKNOWLEDGE) to, uhhh...... "unintentional injury"! :mrgreen: Cause, even if your idiocy had any degree of merit, any degree of "unintentional gun related non-fatal injury"... that doesn't count in tallying gun related statistics! Oh my, Colpy... are you for real?
and again, I've offered up a contributor to the murder rate decrease. All those medical and military references that speak to medical advances and improved emergency/trauma care have helped to lower the murder rate... no matter how hard you try to be dismissive of that fact.
The heading of the graph:
2013 UNODC (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime)
Which I guess has nothing to do with the UN...
You know, and I mean this seriously, without malice: it is little wonder you have scorn heaped upon on these threads. At times you really do appear to be absolutely impervious to reason...like the above.
When you are wrong, simply say...ooops, I was wrong. Sorry I'm human.....and it slides away.
To say nothing of your incessant whining and crying and complaining about people being rude to you....and then you respond with stuff like this.
You obviously have no clue about the RIGHT to keep, and bear arms.
Strange how you are allowed to bring all kinds of extraneous material into the conversation, but everybody else has to abide by your parameters...
Ypo seem to make your own rules as you go along, every time you feel yourself loosing...(Which is a lot)
you twit! You yourself post the graphic (via your quote in post #175)... how is your reading comprehension with the following:
I've repeatedly told you the article and graph does not come from the UN... I've repeatedly told you that if you want to challenge the UN, do so as they are the source of the data the author uses. I also told you the sources of the UNODC data and suggested you go challenge those sources. Instead, you bluster and play out your repeated BullShyte. Again, note the caveat (exclusion caveat concerning Mexico) on the graph... just how did you miss that, hey Colpy?) :mrgreen:
sure WANNABE, sure!
no - not the case. I most certainly have highlighted the degenerate trolls that have no other purpose around here than to insult and derail threads. I most certainly have highlighted the lax moderation at times. I most certainly have highlighted the azzholes who could care less about the board and the membership... preferring to bury legitimate discussion as they play out their "drywall fetishes" and the like. Why Colpy, I even offered up a legitimate meaningful post of yours showcasing how it was completely buried, pages deep with the Trolls Best!
they do? Even in the U.S.... they do? How so?
since you declare your personal support for licensing and background checks, to you, in that light, what constitutes, as you say, an "IDIOTIC GUN LAW"?
OKAY:
Let's talk developed nations.. How about the MOST Developed Nations, as listed in the UN's Human Development Index.
Now you have heard lying, cheating, manipulative, goose-stepping ar$eholes commonly known as gun control advocates go on and on and on about how the USA is the worst country in the developed world for gun violence......which is itself a manipulation..........and a lie...but anyway...
List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, I took the liberty of consulting the list of MOST developed countries, there are 49 of them.
And here it is....MOST developed countries with murder rates equal to or higher than the United States:
Latvia: Murder rate 4.7 per 100,000 (identical to the USA) Number 32 on the gun ownership list
Estonia: Murder rate 5.0 per 100,000 Number 65 on the gun ownership list
Argentina: Murder rate 5.5 per 100,000 Number 62 on the gun ownership list
Lithuania: Murder rate 6.7 per 100,000 Number 160 on the gun ownership list
While we're at it, let's take a peak at the TOP FIVE developed nations on earth:
We find there
Norway. The best nation on earth. Murder rate 2.2 per 100,000 Number 10 on the gun ownership list
Switzerland: ranked third best nation, Murder rate 0.6 per 100,000 Number 4 on the gun ownership list.
United States: ranked number 5 best nation, Murder rate 4.7 per 100,000. Number 1 in gun ownership.
And for comparison:
Canada, ranked number 8 best nation, Murder rate 1.6 per 100,000. Number 12 in gun ownership.
BTW, I do not believe the gun ownership ranking for Canada, as it is based on gov't figures, and they low ball it to the extreme, based on the old long gun registry. Probably Canada has half again as many guns, putting it in the top 5 gun owning nations. Just an observation.
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Remember, these are not just developed nations, they are MOST developed nations.....I did not delve into those that are simply designated "developed", of which there are 52........with dozens of higher murder rates than the USA. I believe the post above proves my point.
Let's talk developed nations.. How about the MOST Developed Nations, as listed in the UN's Human Development Index.
Now you have heard lying, cheating, manipulative, goose-stepping ar$eholes commonly known as gun control advocates go on and on and on about how the USA is the worst country in the developed world for gun violence......which is itself a manipulation..........and a lie...but anyway...
List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, I took the liberty of consulting the list of MOST developed countries, there are 49 of them.
And here it is....MOST developed countries with murder rates equal to or higher than the United States:
Latvia: Murder rate 4.7 per 100,000 (identical to the USA) Number 32 on the gun ownership list
Estonia: Murder rate 5.0 per 100,000 Number 65 on the gun ownership list
Argentina: Murder rate 5.5 per 100,000 Number 62 on the gun ownership list
Lithuania: Murder rate 6.7 per 100,000 Number 160 on the gun ownership list
While we're at it, let's take a peak at the TOP FIVE developed nations on earth:
We find there
Norway. The best nation on earth. Murder rate 2.2 per 100,000 Number 10 on the gun ownership list
Switzerland: ranked third best nation, Murder rate 0.6 per 100,000 Number 4 on the gun ownership list.
United States: ranked number 5 best nation, Murder rate 4.7 per 100,000. Number 1 in gun ownership.
And for comparison:
Canada, ranked number 8 best nation, Murder rate 1.6 per 100,000. Number 12 in gun ownership.
BTW, I do not believe the gun ownership ranking for Canada, as it is based on gov't figures, and they low ball it to the extreme, based on the old long gun registry. Probably Canada has half again as many guns, putting it in the top 5 gun owning nations. Just an observation.
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Remember, these are not just developed nations, they are MOST developed nations.....I did not delve into those that are simply designated "developed", of which there are 52........with dozens of higher murder rates than the USA. I believe the post above proves my point.
"no - not the case. I most certainly have highlighted the degenerate trolls that have no other purpose around here than to insult and derail threads. I most certainly have highlighted the lax moderation at times. I most certainly have highlighted the azzholes who could care less about the board and the membership... preferring to bury legitimate discussion as they play out their "drywall fetishes" and the like. Why Colpy, I even offered up a legitimate meaningful post of yours showcasing how it was completely buried, pages deep with the Trolls Best!"
I have watched you, as have others, as you use all kinds of less than kind language, them blame others for it. I have also read your posts carefully, and have even given you credit for trying. However, i do not consider myself alone in not being able to get on your bandwagon but keep on keepin on, it is good entertainment.
I have watched you, as have others, as you use all kinds of less than kind language, them blame others for it. I have also read your posts carefully, and have even given you credit for trying. However, i do not consider myself alone in not being able to get on your bandwagon but keep on keepin on, it is good entertainment.
you twit! You yourself post the graphic (via your quote in post #175)... how is your reading comprehension with the following:
I've repeatedly told you the article and graph does not come from the UN... I've repeatedly told you that if you want to challenge the UN, do so as they are the source of the data the author uses. I also told you the sources of the UNODC data and suggested you go challenge those sources. Instead, you bluster and play out your repeated BullShyte. Again, note the caveat (exclusion caveat concerning Mexico) on the graph... just how did you miss that, hey Colpy?) :mrgreen:
Then provide the link.
Once again, the title is:
2013 UNODC (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime)
Really, learn to read.
So, on the same theme, I looked at the High human development countries listed........
List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
28 out of 52 had higher murder rates than the United States.
So, people, next time some idiot tells you the USA is the most violent developed nation, tell him he is absolutely full of it.
Not even close.......
hey Colpy! You found time to respond to your distraction point over Mexico... but somehow, somehow, you managed to avoid/ignore the above - go figure! :mrgreen:
c'mon Colpy... given you profess to personally supporting licensing and background checks, what are, to you, as you say, "IDIOTIC GUN LAWS"? C'mon Colpy, you said it... are you unable to offer qualification on your own statement? What gives, hey?
so, now you likee the UN? :mrgreen: ..... after your, as you say, "demonizing" of the UN, after your conspiracy rants concerning the UN... now you likee the UN... while still not favouring the OECD? Go figure!
PROTIP: if you presume to use the UN HDI human development index for some purpose, you really should learn what it's about... and... you really should spend a few cycles on the UN IHDI, the inequality adjusted human development index to appreciate the distinction. In any case, Tewksbury Lab has a most informative take on your suggested preference for the UN HDI... also presenting a comparison to UN IHDI, particularly as it relates to this point on firearms related deaths.
HDI versus IHDI --- showing similar trends, with IHDI presenting a stronger fit (correlation going from 0.7 to 0.8 ). Colpy, for some strange reason, the U.S. appears isolated in the upper-right of each graph... what does that mean Colpy? What does that mean?
sans suicide related guns deaths:
You are really losing it.
The fact I said I am quite willing to accept background checks to get a license does not mean I like anything else.
Rules on firearms beyond the basic training/background check achieve nothing, and are worthless. The vast majority of Canadian gun laws are an insult to the intelligence of those that have any intelligence.
In Mexico there is one gun shop, run by the military, in Mexico City. That is it. In Mexico, you are not allowed to own firearms in any military caliber. Licenses are very difficult to get, usually it depends on how many bribes you can pay. In practical terms, the average Mexican is completely disbarred the legal use of firearms in self defense.
I noticed you carefully ignored when I educated you on Mexican "good guys with guns" taking on the cartels. In one case, the townspeople had to raid the police station to steal proper weapons to shoot up the cartel members. Their raid was a success, because the police were all out celebrating at a party......thrown for them by the local cartel members.
as I said, learn how to do a google image search! A simple search would give you that link... do you need to be spoon-fed everything? Like I said, I provided the one WSJ link but, yes, forgot to provide the other associated with the graph. I didn't think it too much of a point when you first pointed it out... particularly as I highlighted you could simply do an image search and you would immediately realize the source link. I guess you just need drama, hey! Or is it just something else to ply your BS against?
so, now you likee the UN? :mrgreen: ..... after your, as you say, "demonizing" of the UN, after your conspiracy rants concerning the UN... now you likee the UN... while still not favouring the OECD? Go figure!
PROTIP: if you presume to use the UN HDI human development index for some purpose, you really should learn what it's about... and... you really should spend a few cycles on the UN IHDI, the inequality adjusted human development index to appreciate the distinction. In any case, Tewksbury Lab has a most informative take on your suggested preference for the UN HDI... also presenting a comparison to UN IHDI, particularly as it relates to this point on firearms related deaths.
HDI versus IHDI --- showing similar trends, with IHDI presenting a stronger fit (correlation going from 0.7 to 0.8 ). Colpy, for some strange reason, the U.S. appears isolated in the upper-right of each graph... what does that mean Colpy? What does that mean?
sans suicide related guns deaths:
Ever try thinking for yourself, instead of grabbing whatever idiotic wallpaper you can find that was created by someone else?
Oh, and I know the UN is a bunch of useless liars. I mean, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is a UN body.....need I say more?
However, they can occasionally make a useful list.
Which is what the HDI is....or are you now going to tell me the list of nations by human development doesn't have a thing to do with development?
Not that I would expect you to understand the faintest thing about intellectual debate, but the citing of sources is the responsibility of the person that cites.........
huh! Now you want to talk about Canada? Now? Geez, that was a prodding question put to you in all your U.S. wannabe glory talking points... I was sure your "IDIOTIC GUN LAWS" was in that U.S. context. In any case, you state you're personally in favour of licensing, you're personally in favour of background checks. In that vein, just what are IDIOTIC GUN LAWS... in Canada... or the U.S. (which you're now apparently not wanting to talk about).
oh pleeeese! Anything I've read speaks to Mexican gun deaths principally related to police/military versus drug cartels and/or drug cartel versus drug cartel. This is just you with another reach-around to distract with. Of course, as you point out, the majority of guns in the hands of the "Good Guys" or the "Bad Guys" aren't legal... they're mostly originating as illegal smuggled guns coming in from the U.S.. Which to you is, apparently, the U.S. simply "exporting" FREEDOM!... "GOOD GUY FREEDOM"! :mrgreen:
It means they are manipulating the data by using FIREARMS deaths only.......as they always do
Now I will explain to you again, that if gun control does not lower homicide rates in a significant manner, then it is simply an intrusion on our rights without cause.
Unless you can show that a murder would not happen if there was no gun, you fail. If the killer simply uses a knife, you fail.
The use of FIREARMS DEATHS only is a blatant attempt to mislead the stupid.
Spare any more of this.
I am not stupid.
It seems odd to me that you and the other gun control freaks are so interested in putting dots up in the corner of graphs, instead of actually being interested in the amount of carnage that is the result of a violent society.
No, you have no proof the "majority" of cartel guns were smuggled in from the USA. Typical BS on your part.
And you are obviously intellectually incapable of differentiating between a cartel member killing for drug profit, and a Mexican farmer using a gun to defend his family.
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says the guy, YOU, who introduced the UN HDI... geez Colpy, sorry to burst your bubble! :mrgreen: Of course, you could actually try to challenge/counter... but, of course, your natural go-to response is to blather/bluster/insult first!
given I've quite easily shown you haven't a clue in regards GW/AGW/CC (even less than you show with your gun fetish), your opinion of the IPCC simply speaks to your BLOWHARDINESS!
my point was to highlight you flat-put reject the OECD as a representative comparison avenue (although you've never stated why), and now you've scurried around and googly has revealed the UN HDI for you. And, of course, I wanted to showcase your naivety in not realizing the UN IHDI exists... which is really the reference point of more legitimate country comparison (versus the UN HDI). And again, sorry to have burst your bubble over HDI/IHDI and yet another of your attempts to provide cover for the failings of the U.S. GUN CULTURE!
Hey...I just used their list....I did the analysis myself, as I am capable of independent thought.
As for insult...REALLY?? After the last few posts you have made?
LOL!!!!!
Do you need your diapers changed?
What this entire thread has shown me beyond any doubt is that you are completely incapable of debate, of interpreting data, of accepting your own mistakes, or of anything like reading comprehension.
I admittedly know nothing about climate science.
But I know now, neither do you.
I did NOT reject the OECD as a representative comparison avenue.
But OBVIOUSLY if you use the OECD, you have to use it ALL. You can't eliminate all that that does not support your theses.
Oh, I constantly reject the use of FIREARMS DEATH as a debating point, but your OECD UN graph could not even make that work.....they had to throw out data.
Which disqualifies their argument, apart from it being facetious in the first place..
imagine that; using gun related death data to speak to gun related deaths! That's radical! :mrgreen:
no one, other than you, is speaking about knife deaths! Talk about "YOU FAIL"! You're in bizarro world here. Apparently, to you, gun related deaths by guns ONLY COUNT if the actual death couldn't be alternatively undertaken with a knife or a brazillion other methods of applied attack/violence. That sir, that is WIGGLE-WORM! :mrgreen:
WIGGLE Colpy, WIGGLE!
