So, let me get this straight.........you don't want me to talk about the United States in a debate about the United States.
OK...that makes sense.
The Myth of the Good Guy With a Gun
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So, let me get this straight.........you don't want me to talk about the United States in a debate about the United States.
OK...that makes sense.
Well it does if you're waldo. It'll make it easier for him to post idiocy and bluster.
Of course not, he loves waldo, a lot!
It certainly does explain why Mexico was excluded.....Mexico was excluded because it has more gun deaths than the USA, in a graph showing comparative gun deaths by country.
Obviously the graph was intended to demonize the United States for having lax gun laws, the truth be damned...
Thus UN liars.
Simple, really.
If there were 2 perspectives being put forward, you would be right. Unfortunately, there isn't.
From what I'm reading, there are clearly two perspectives here.
My (extremely general, and uneducated) opinion is that we simply do what's good for people by making sure we live in a safer world.
I really don't buy Colpy's argument that having more gun freedoms makes the world better, but I could be wrong.
Then you need to read a little more carefully what waldo posts.
Colpy has not said that. Christ!, what is it with you people? Are you all that comprehension impaired?
He has clearly stated, and supported, that INCREASED restrictions do not make for a safer/better world. He has used Vermont as an example of a state that has next to no restrictions and a lower murder rate than places with strict restrictions. That being said, he has also made it perfectly clear that he does not believe in the Vermont example. He believes in Licensing and background checks and only those that are licensed should be allowed to buy weapons and ammunition.
That was a rhetorical question, right?
For starters. But it goes much deeper than that.
From reading the thread from beginning to finish, I think waldo has done a really good job of pointing out the most prevalent facts but I also appreciate that Colpy has his own set of stats which he feels are worth giving attention as well.
of course, the trolls have shown up, big time... with little to nothing to say about the topic at hand! And... apparently, he who is fresh off suspension has just picked right up again where he left off! :mrgreen: Rather than deal with such an unBearable type, I'll take moderator Locutus' advice and put the miscreant on ignore as well!
as I said, I relish the opportunity to point out your hypocrisy... and to showcase your Yawnkee wannabe self! You self-declared your support for licensing... and background checks; you emphasized you were a Canadian... that this was Canada! Yet, somehow you're just so willing to ignore your own principles for the sake of... of what? What's wrong with a background check for all U.S. gun sales... particularly when you support them and their, apparently to you, fettering influence! :mrgreen: I mean, geezaz, the U.S. law requires a background check for all licensed sales... why would you object to extending that to also encompass unlicensed sales... all sales?
hey now! Good on ya, Colpy... good on ya. Uhhh... well, I guess that's the closest you'll come to actually admitting gun violence hasn't been lessened, isn't on the decrease. Baby steps for you Colpy, baby steps!
dying from tobacco? Really... you're going to go there? What a stoopid attempt to rationalize gun violence!
oh my! So... NO guns then fer them women folk! You sure are selective in what you quote. You tried to skirt around/ignore the first half of the statement, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"....... and now, you're conveniently emitting the other part of that clause that speaks to those able-bodied makes being less than 45 years of age.
so no guns for women at all... and no guns for males over 45 years of age!!! Oh my.... c'mon Colpy, I kid, I kid! :mrgreen:
what debate about the United States? And here I thought the principal discussion emphasis was on a comparative review of murder rates between developed countries! :mrgreen: In any case, my comment was a suggestion not to bother replying back with the typical U.S. gun lobby/gun activists talking points concerning the sanctity of the U.S. 2nd amendment... cause then, you know, the discussion goes down a brazillion rat-holes. But hey, you were going there no matter what! So, no worries... carry on!
and again, you trot out the stooopid "UN liars" reference. This will be at least the 3rd time I've emphasized to you that the UN had nothing to do with the article/graph... that if you truly wanted to comment on the UN you should target the data they host (and the sources of that data)... and I already advised you who they were.
again, Mexico was fully qualified in the article... and, if you'd actually take the time to go beyond your fake outrage, you'd see a reference on the actual graph that highlights Mexico has been excluded. Now I took a few minutes just to extend upon that graph and really emphasize how nonsense... and your blathering bluster. Here's that graph with Mexico included... feel better now! Will this help sooth your fake outrage? :mrgreen: Note: I've also highlighted where the "Mexico exclusion" reference appears on the graph... ENJOY!
Mexico... the outlier, the absolute outlier due to decade+ drug cartel wars... the outlier member Colpy so wants to have included to help offer cover to the U.S. gun related murder rate! And damn, if only there were more Mexican good guys with guns! :mrgreen:
When you use OECD to designate "developed" countries, then eliminate the only OECD member that does not fit your pre-conceived notions, then even print on the graph a bald-faced lie.....that means you have disqualified yourself from serious consideration. For the 10th time at least, a thirteen year old grade eight student would laugh at their gall.....but you take it as the truth, the whole, and nothing but the truth.
That says more about you than it does about gun deaths.
Every gun control law in the United States is a violation of their constitution.
I have no problem with background checks.....IF the gun owners in the USA agree.
They have not.
And they are literally within their rights.
I admitted nothing. I said the rise is treated wounds probably was the result of unintentional injuries, as the murder rate has gone down, as has the aggravated assault with guns.
I shoot you by accident while plinking, you'll get rushed to the hospital, hopefully with minor wounds.
I decide to murder you with a gun, you're a dead man.
I was trying to avoid explaining it to a person with no sense of history, no understanding of constitutional rights. a serious reading comprehension problem, and absolutely no clue what they are talking about.
That would be you.
Obviously the debate is about the USA
The phrase "a good guy with a gun" came out of the mouth of the head of the NRA
The UN graph that lied about the USA and left out Mexico obviously did so to demonize the USA.....as they declared them (falsely) to be the developed nation with the most gun violence.
he heading for the graph:
2013 UNODC (United Nations Office on Drugs & Crime): Gun related murder rates in the developed (OECD) world --- 2000-to-2012 --- The U.S. has far more gun-related killings than any other developed country:
Please note: 2013 UNODC (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime)
You really do need to deal with that Reading Comprehension problem.
Now you're getting it!
If only.....but idiotic gun laws prevent the people from defending themselves......
That says more about you than it does about gun deaths.
Every gun control law in the United States is a violation of their constitution.
I have no problem with background checks.....IF the gun owners in the USA agree.
They have not.
And they are literally within their rights.
I admitted nothing. I said the rise is treated wounds probably was the result of unintentional injuries, as the murder rate has gone down, as has the aggravated assault with guns.
I shoot you by accident while plinking, you'll get rushed to the hospital, hopefully with minor wounds.
I decide to murder you with a gun, you're a dead man.
I was trying to avoid explaining it to a person with no sense of history, no understanding of constitutional rights. a serious reading comprehension problem, and absolutely no clue what they are talking about.
That would be you.
Obviously the debate is about the USA
The phrase "a good guy with a gun" came out of the mouth of the head of the NRA
The UN graph that lied about the USA and left out Mexico obviously did so to demonize the USA.....as they declared them (falsely) to be the developed nation with the most gun violence.
he heading for the graph:
2013 UNODC (United Nations Office on Drugs & Crime): Gun related murder rates in the developed (OECD) world --- 2000-to-2012 --- The U.S. has far more gun-related killings than any other developed country:
Please note: 2013 UNODC (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime)
You really do need to deal with that Reading Comprehension problem.
Now you're getting it!
If only.....but idiotic gun laws prevent the people from defending themselves......
You are keeping him from continually spamming us with global warming bullshyte.......for that Colpy we all must thank you....:lol:
the UN graph??? The fact I've repeatedly had to point out this same error of yours... I believe this to be the 4th time... it simply highlights you're doing this purposely. Your purpose, following your word, is to "demonize" the UN..... which, again, had nothing to do with that article, with that graph! Of course this follows on your earlier conspiracy themes about the UN, so you're just keeping your BS flowing. Again Colpy, NOT THE UN!
and again, the graph itself even includes the disclaimer that Mexico has been excluded from the graph... and as I said in response to all your other earlier bouts of fake outrage over this, the article itself further elaborated on that exclusion. But hey, why let any of that get in the way of Colpy 'bluster and fake outrage'! The graph as shown, the graph with the exclusion caveat noted ON THE GRAPH, is accurate as shown. As you say, even your stated 13-year old grade eight students would get it, hey Colpy! They would read the article, they would view the graphic, they would read the caveats applied (article and graph) and they would get it, hey Colpy! They most certainly wouldn't be offering up your purposeful fake outrage... or your bluster routine.
do you see the presentation look of the graph to include Mexico... and do you recognize the folly of skewing the graph just to include the mega-outlier Mexico? Sure you do! Of course, only a gunNut with an agenda would presume to legitimize the drug cartel related murders over a decade+ as representative of Mexican guns laws/policy..... would presume to ignore the most significant flow of illegal guns into Mexico from the U.S. ..... all just so you can try to offer cover as your wannabe Yawnkee self!