The Iranian People Speak

[GreenFish66]

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That's somethin.No problem with freedom of assembly/speech n Iran(so far).Hope 4 peaceful protest.

Keep Morality up,mortality down..

 

[earth_as_one]

I'm convinced now that millions of Iranians are convinced of voter fraud. Since there were no international observers, that's hard to prove either way.

If Iran doesn't hold a new election, people who believe its now impossible to change the government by peaceful democracy will go underground and begin to plot the overthrow of the entire system. Typically that leads to violence and revolution. Iran's religious leaders should be aware of this danger. After all that how they overthrew the previous US/British installed dictator.

The election has little effect on the power of Iran's supreme leaader. But these demonstrations threaten his power base and legitimacy. If these demonstration continue to grow, he faces a choice:

Endorse a percieved rigged election, massive protests, violence, bloodshed and possible revolution
or
Holding new elections which will legitimize his position as supreme leader

I suspect he will choose new elections.

 

[JLM]

I'm convinced now that millions of Iranians are convinced of voter fraud. Since there were no international observers, that's hard to prove either way.

If Iran doesn't hold a new election, people who believe its now impossible to change the government by peaceful democracy will go underground and begin to plot the overthrow of the entire system. Typically that leads to violence and revolution. Iran's religious leaders should be aware of this danger. After all that how they overthrew the previous US/British installed dictator.

The election has little effect on the power of Iran's supreme leaader. But these demonstrations threaten his power base and legitimacy. If these demonstration continue to grow, he faces a choice:

Endorse a percieved rigged election, massive protests, violence, bloodshed and possible revolution
or
Holding new elections which will legitimize his position as supreme leader

I suspect he will choose new elections.

Yeah, I think that guy should take a look at the history of Louis XV1 and Marie Antoinette & take special note of what happened to them because they weren't listening.

 

[EagleSmack]

You left out G`Dubya in that list.:smile:

Bush? Is he still President?

Some people just can't let go. Ahhh how they long for the old days.

 

[JLM]

Bush? Is he still President?

Some people just can't let go. Ahhh how they long for the old days.

Yep, Dubya had one admirable quality- he didn't take any crap.

 

[EagleSmack]

I just find it humorous because for years the left was saying that Bush is going to make himself a dictator and that he would dissolve the 2008 Presidential election so that he could remain in power.

Now these people can't let go. Obama winning was the worst possible scenario to them.

 

[Cliffy]

Bush? Is he still President?

Some people just can't let go. Ahhh how they long for the old days.

Most of the bad asses on the list were former rulers and formerly alive. Why would Bush be exempt from the list? And... the good old days never left, just the faces have changed on the same old foreign policy.

Anyone who would suggest that as the intent is as well.

Iran has huge oil reserves, so yes the US would love to do what it is doing to Iraq: invade, destabilize and steal their oil.

 

[JLM]

"Iran has huge oil reserves, so yes the US would love to do what it is doing to Iraq: invade, destabilize and steal their oil."- Wouldn't it be much easier to them just to invade CAnada and steal our oil? We have a lot more of it.

 

[Kreskin]

Nice to see the people of Iran speaking out. Looks like Obama-mania is really catching on.

 

[Cliffy]

"Iran has huge oil reserves, so yes the US would love to do what it is doing to Iraq: invade, destabilize and steal their oil."- Wouldn't it be much easier to them just to invade CAnada and steal our oil? We have a lot more of it.

That would be a lot harder to justify without decades of hate propaganda being issued like the US has done to Iran ever since their flunky the Shaw was deposed. Perhaps that is what the "Canada is a source of terrorists" campaign is about - the beginning of the propaganda as the prerequisite to eventual invasion. But of course that is completely unnecessary as we give it away to them anyways.

 

[EagleSmack]

Most of the bad asses on the list were former rulers and formerly alive. Why would Bush be exempt from the list? And... the good old days never left, just the faces have changed on the same old foreign policy.

Formerly alive? :lol:

Sure they have... just ask your buddy Joey. It is a new day!

The Bush days are loooong gone and you need to get over it.

Iran has huge oil reserves, so yes the US would love to do what it is doing to Iraq: invade, destabilize and steal their oil.

Stealing oil? So funny.

Invade Iran. Too funny. Oh how I know that your kind ached for the US to invade Iran during the Bush years. You wanted an invasion more than Bush did! Bush didn't want to at all save in the minds of the whacko left. Oh the hundreds of threads that could have been created...all for naught.

You think Obama is going to invade Iran? :lol:

 

[EagleSmack]

That would be a lot harder to justify without decades of hate propaganda being issued like the US has done to Iran ever since their flunky the Shaw was deposed. Perhaps that is what the "Canada is a source of terrorists" campaign is about - the beginning of the propaganda as the prerequisite to eventual invasion. But of course that is completely unnecessary as we give it away to them anyways.

Absolutely!

We're coming to get you Clifford. Ooooo...Ooooo...

 

[EagleSmack]

Nice to see the people of Iran speaking out. Looks like Obama-mania is really catching on.

I don't know if it is Obama-Mania but I do like what I see. The youth of Iran standing up to a brutal dictatorship and I don't mean the Iranian Puppet President Amadinejad. He is just a ventriloquist dummy on the knee of the Revolutionary Council and Supreme Leader.

The protests are massive!

Good for them!

 

[Kreskin]

I just don't think the will to align with anything closer to the US would be happening if Bush was still there. Not giving Obama all the credit but he appears to have inspired change in more ways than one.

 

[JLM]

That would be a lot harder to justify without decades of hate propaganda being issued like the US has done to Iran ever since their flunky the Shaw was deposed. Perhaps that is what the "Canada is a source of terrorists" campaign is about - the beginning of the propaganda as the prerequisite to eventual invasion. But of course that is completely unnecessary as we give it away to them anyways.

Yeah, I was beginning to think along the lines of your last sentence the minute after I posted.

 

[EagleSmack]

Then you guys should be safe...for now. <insert evil laugh here>

 

[EagleSmack]

I just don't think the will to align with anything closer to the US would be happening if Bush was still there. Not giving Obama all the credit but he appears to have inspired change in more ways than one.

It seems like Obama is staying pretty silent on this. He knows that if he starts siding with the opposition that the despots in charge will use that as a justification for more of the brutish violence that they are exhibiting now.

I just love seeing them squirm over there.

 

[GreenFish66]

here's a good source for Iranian news..Reg Saddler (zaibatsu) on Twitter

 

[Cliffy]

Absolutely!

We're coming to get you Clifford. Ooooo...Ooooo...

Ooooo! I'm shaking in my boots!

You Yanks have never won a war against a guerrilla force. Guess what I'll be dong.

 

[EagleSmack]

Ooooo! I'm shaking in my boots!

You Yanks have never won a war against a guerrilla force.

We're cooooooming.... we're coooooming Clifford.

You obviously have never heard of the Banana Wars, or the Philippine War.

Guess what I'll be dong?

Outside of defecating in your pants?