The Improbability of God

[MHz]

Is that a scientific analysis of the situation? You know the same science that might have a completely different view tomorrow or the next day, depending on which scientist has the right answer, on basically anything that science has ever covered.
Like how good mercury is for the body, didn't science at one time promote it was safe to handle with bare hands? I'm pretty sure we were encouraged to play wit it is school science classes. It makes silver coins real shinny.

I've read some of your claims about what the Bible says. What you can never ever consider is your view about what information that is being transferred is what is in error.

The 7 letters to the 7 churches in Revelation could (and most likely does) absorb every single man, woman and child on the Planet and puts them in a groups defined by God. So we may praise or condemn any and all current 'religions' and it means squat to God because He does not have to recognise ant of them. What He will recognise in anybody is those traits in those 7 letters.

In the entire list you mentioned it is quite possible to find those who are described as 'hot and cold' in terms of their relationship to God.
If you and SJP want to be non-believers I could care less really.

 

[eanassir]

Doesn’t’ the Bible say ‘man created God in his own image’ (or is it the other way around)?

God created man, not the other way round; and there is nothing as " to His image"; this was fabricated by Ezra who rewrote the Torah after the return of the Children of Israel from the captivity of Babylon.

In the Quran 42: 11​

فَاطِرُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ جَعَلَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَاجًا وَمِنَ الْأَنْعَامِ أَزْوَاجًا يَذْرَؤُكُمْ فِيهِ لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ البَصِيرُ​

The explanation:
([God: the] Splitter of the heavens and the earth;
He assigned for you mates of your kind, and of the cattle [He assigned of their kind] mates;
dispersing you in the [womb of your mothers: males in some wombs and females in others];
there is not, as His likeness, anything;
He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing.)

quranandhebrewbible.t35.com ​

 

[eanassir]

(We are Best Aware of what they say [: denying your apostlehood], and you [Mohammed] are not a tyrant over them,
so admonish with the Quran him who fears the threat [of God, so he will comply to the truth and believe in His messenger.] )

eanassir, sure admonish them with the Quran. And if they don’t obey, hit them on the head with the Koran (followed by a bullet or a bomb). That is how Fundamentalist Islam works.

No need for all that; God is going to deal with His enemies in this World and in the afterlife.

As in the Quran 32: 22​

وَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّن ذُكِّرَ بِآيَاتِ رَبِّهِ ثُمَّ أَعْرَضَ عَنْهَا إِنَّا مِنَ الْمُجْرِمِينَ مُنتَقِمُونَ​

The explanation:
(Who does greater wrong than one who is admonished with the revelations of his Lord, then he turns away from them? Surely, We will take revenge on the criminals.)

man-after-death.t35.com​

 

[eanassir]

That's about as probable an outcome as the probability that god exists. You and eanassir are coming from a very similar place: you've each got this book you believe, on the basis of no evidence but its claims about itself, to be absolutely true and correct. But your books are different, and you each reject the other's as being not the appropriate one to study. Had you grown up in an Islamic culture and eanassir grown up in a Christian culture, almost certainly you'd be behaving the same way you are now, but you'd have switched books.

And there are millions, possibly billions, of other people around the world with other books, or no books, who reject both yours and eanassir's. Religious belief is generally pretty specific to society and culture, and has been throughout human history. Obviously not everybody can be right, and the great variety of religious belief around the world and throughout history is the major clue to the solution: they're all human inventions and have no reality outside the realm of ideas. They're simply attempts to explain the unknown, and the more we learn about how reality really works, the more ludicrous some of their claims appear. Much of the history of the last 400 years in the West can be understood as the Christian church retreating from making empirical claims about the nature of reality in the face of the scientific revolution that began around the time of Galileo.

The religion of one age is the mythology of the next. In other words, every religious believer has it wrong, not only Christians and Muslims, but also Jews, Mormons, Wiccans, Pagans, New Age mystics, unspecified deists and theists of every sort, everybody. It's all mythology. ALL of it.

The traditional religion​

This is true to a large extent, but not all of it.
This is called the traditional religion. ​

Every new apostle will face the traditional religion, which in fact is not the original religion of God, but the fabrication of successive generations.​

God – be glorified – rebuked some people who do not use their mind and reason, who only imitate their fathers blindly; such people have their faith traditional.​

As in large number of the ayat of the Quran, like this 2: 170​

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمُ اتَّبِعُوا مَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ قَالُواْ بَلْ نَتَّبِعُ مَا أَلْفَيْنَا عَلَيْهِ آبَاءنَا أَوَلَوْ كَانَ آبَاؤُهُمْ لاَ يَعْقِلُونَ شَيْئاً وَلاَ يَهْتَدُونَ​

The explanation:
(When it is said to them, 'Follow that which God has revealed,'
they say, 'No, we will follow such [religion and doctrines] as we found our fathers [holding]'
What! Eventhough their fathers were completely unreasonable and had no guidance?)​

This aya is only an example of many ayat with the same implication like: 5: 104, 7: 28, 10: 78, 21: 53, 26: 74, 31: 21, 43: 22, 43: 23 and many other ayat.​

Yes, I agree with you: the revolution in Europe and the free thinking in America and the West is very good to let man think and break the obstacles before him to discern the truth about the true religion of God: the devotion to God alone and reject the traditional religion which almost is the association with God through the enthusiasm.​

The same is applicable to the Muslim communities where the traditional religion has prevailed; such communities also refuse the original religion brought by the apostles of God and included in the Glorious Quran, but hold fast to some myths and traditions.​

While as regards the atheism, it is not new; it is old also, and the past apostles faced such atheism, in addition to the traditional religion of the association with God (Contrary to the First Commandment), which Jesus fought also and said to the Pharisees in the Gospel according to Mark 7: 9
"9- And he [Jesus] said to them, Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition." ​

quranandhebrewbible.t35.com ​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Now this is where you are wrong. My religion is the only true religion.

:lol: Yes, I understand what the word "facetious" means. You're pretty good. But not perfect...

 

[eanassir]

:lol: Yes, I understand what the word "facetious" means. You're pretty good. But not perfect...

I understand what you point at :lol: ; but not every religion is true or false; so should I say: my religion is false to please some people here!?

Not necessarily so; but the traditional religion is false and distorted through some fabrications and enthusiasm.

The true original religion of God in its pure form of the exclusive devotion to God alone is the correct one; as in the words of Prophet Joseph son of Israel (Jacob) when he said to his fellow prisoners, as in the Quran 12: 37-40​

قَالَ لاَ يَأْتِيكُمَا طَعَامٌ تُرْزَقَانِهِ إِلاَّ نَبَّأْتُكُمَا بِتَأْوِيلِهِ قَبْلَ أَن يَأْتِيكُمَا ذَلِكُمَا مِمَّا عَلَّمَنِي رَبِّي إِنِّي تَرَكْتُ مِلَّةَ قَوْمٍ لاَّ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللّهِ وَهُم بِالآخِرَةِ هُمْ كَافِرُونَ . وَاتَّبَعْتُ مِلَّةَ آبَآئِـي إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْحَقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ مَا كَانَ لَنَا أَن نُّشْرِكَ بِاللّهِ مِن شَيْءٍ ذَلِكَ مِن فَضْلِ اللّهِ عَلَيْنَا وَعَلَى النَّاسِ وَلَـكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لاَ يَشْكُرُونَ . يَا صَاحِبَيِ السِّجْنِ أَأَرْبَابٌ مُّتَفَرِّقُونَ خَيْرٌ أَمِ اللّهُ الْوَاحِدُ الْقَهَّارُ . مَا تَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِهِ إِلاَّ أَسْمَاء سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنتُمْ وَآبَآؤُكُم مَّا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ بِهَا مِن سُلْطَانٍ إِنِ الْحُكْمُ إِلاَّ لِلّهِ أَمَرَ أَلاَّ تَعْبُدُواْ إِلاَّ إِيَّاهُ ذَلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ وَلَـكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ​

The explanation:
([Joseph] said: "There will not come to you any food that you are provided with [in the dream], but I shall tell you its interpretation [in the wakefulness], before it reaches you.
Such [knowledge of the interpretation] is some of that my Lord has acquainted me with.
I have forsaken the religion of a folk who believe not in God [alone] and [moreover] of the Hereafter they are deniers."

"And I have followed the religion of my fathers: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; we ought not to associate anything with God; that is [some] of God's bounty to us and to people, but most of people give no thanks."

"O my two fellow-prisoners, which is better: many differing lords or God: the One, the Omnipotent?"

"Apart from Him, you worship none other than names you have named, you and your fathers, concerning which God has not sent down any authority. The decision is up to God only. He has commanded that none other than He should be worshipped. That is the religion of [Jacob] the guardian, but most of people do not know [the truth.]")

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This will be far better than the religion (or doctrine) of the atheism, and then loss in the afterlife at least.


man-after-death.t35.com​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

God – be glorified – rebuked some people who do not use their mind and reason, who only imitate their fathers blindly;

That seems to me to be a good description of your thought processes.

 

[eanassir]

That seems to me to be a good description of your thought processes.

Many of your thoughts have become dogmatic to you and scientifically rigid; with some roots of your background;
i.e. your thoughts are mixture of some atheism + clinging to some of your traditional religion of your people fanatically [like the tribal belonging].

 

[talloola]

We did

Well, I know that lol lol, I want 'their' answer.

 

[Cliffy]

Doesn’t’ the Bible say ‘man created God in his own image’ (or is it the other way around)?

That was Mark Twain.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

No need for all that; God is going to deal with His enemies in this World and in the afterlife.

Well, yes eanassir, but isn’t it a duty of every God loving and God fearing Muslim to help the Almighty in his task of dealing with his enemies? Perhaps by flying a plane into the World Trade Center or by honor killing one’s wife or one’s sister (or even one’s daughter)?

At least that is how militant Muslims interpret the God’s word (the word of their God, Koran).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

:lol: Yes, I understand what the word "facetious" means. You're pretty good. But not perfect...

Oh well, none of us can be perfect, I suppose.

 

[eanassir]

Oh well, none of us can be perfect, I suppose.

Sir Joseph, are you one of Dexter's relatives like Shinto? :lol:

 

[eanassir]

No need for all that; God is going to deal with His enemies in this World and in the afterlife.

Well, yes eanassir, but isn’t it a duty of every God loving and God fearing Muslim to help the Almighty in his task of dealing with his enemies? Perhaps by flying a plane into the World Trade Center or by honor killing one’s wife or one’s sister (or even one’s daughter)?

At least that is how militant Muslims interpret the God’s word (the word of their God, Koran).

What's the matter with you, people; any time the religion and the Islam is mentioned and any conversation is carried on, but you mention this trade centre, when many people think it is only a trick of their intelligence.

 

[Cliffy]

Oh well, none of us can be perfect, I suppose.

If you were, you would be a god!

 

[Cliffy]

What's the matter with you, people; any time the religion and the Islam is mentioned and any conversation is carried on, but you mention this trade centre, when many people think it is only a trick of their intelligence.

Well our news media has done a good job of portraying radical Muslims as being suicide bombers trying to fast track themselves to their 72 virgins in heaven. But you must admit if radical Christians and Jews living in Arab countries started strapping on explosives and detonating themselves in your public places, you would be a little jumpy too.

 

[eanassir]

Leave all your rancor, Cliffy and remember who killed Ghandi about 80 years ago or so. The fanatics are there all over the world and belong to different sects. I tell you better than all this in the following reply.

 

[eanassir]

The exclusive devotion to God alone​

The religion that Adam followed was the religion of God alone: to worship Him exclusively without associate; then through the enthusiasm, people fell into associating idols which are symbols of angels or some righteous religious men.

The associaters and idolaters believe in the intercession of their prophets and religious men to whom they erected their statues or idols.

The exclusive devotion to God alone is the correct way to be followed:
without enthusiasm, without statues, without any son or daughter;
but only making the devotion and worship exclusive to God alone: not only the prayers, but all acts of adoration and submission like:
· seeking help of God alone,
· vowing to Him only,
· swearing in His name only,
· expending for His good pleasure only,
· asking man's needs from Him and no one else.

To this most of people now contradict and oppose, including Jews, Christians, Muslims and others.

This is in the Quran 4: 125

وَمَنْ أَحْسَنُ دِينًا مِّمَّنْ أَسْلَمَ وَجْهَهُ لله وَهُوَ مُحْسِنٌ واتَّبَعَ مِلَّةَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ حَنِيفًا وَاتَّخَذَ اللّهُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ خَلِيلاً​

The explanation:
(And who can be better in compliance [to God] than one

who submits himself to God;
while being a well-doer
and who follows the creed of Abraham, the monotheist;

God took Abraham for a loyal friend.)

man-after-death.t35.com
quranandhebrewbible.t35.com ​

 

[Cannuck]

Well, I know that lol lol, I want 'their' answer.

You missed my point. I believe in a god. My answer was more significant than you took it to be.

 

[MHz]

Well our news media has done a good job of portraying radical Muslims as being suicide bombers trying to fast track themselves to their 72 virgins in heaven. But you must admit if radical Christians and Jews living in Arab countries started strapping on explosives and detonating themselves in your public places, you would be a little jumpy too.

Update on world events just for you Cliffy.

Radical Christians and wayward Jews strap their explosives to things called planes. In an event like 7-7 they use patties unless you think Muslim back-pack bombers had time to crawl under a (moving) train so the explosions pushed the floor-boards upward through a set of physics that are only available to Muslim bombers. The detonations number in the 1,000's and each and every bomb that had been dropped in Gaza, the West Bank, Afghanistan, or Iraq has been delivered with the express purpose of killing and maiming as many as possible. That women and children are included as being the highest numbers of actual causalities means sweet tweet to the radical Christians and the blinded by God Jews.
So there you have dent #1 in your perfect lie.
Another part of your (actually not so perfect)lie is that they are the cause of the reply, in the form of many explosions that cause many civilian deaths, when the explosions caused by radical Christians and godless Jews were going on before there were any suicide bombers.
This crap can be sold to somebody who is too lazy the verify the claims but the thin veneer of truth crumples just from a little light being shone on it. That you are a repeater of the base lie shows you have ceased to be a thinking individual, but at least you won't be alone because you have adulation from godless people. Even your masters call you a twit.