The Improbability of God

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God does not speak directly to people 2
God will not speak to idolaters and associaters in the afterlife, but will leave them forgotten or forsaken in Hell; no one can save them or intercede for their behalf.

This is in the Quran 3: 77
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَشْتَرُونَ بِعَهْدِ اللّهِ وَأَيْمَانِهِمْ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلاً أُوْلَئِكَ لاَ خَلاَقَ لَهُمْ فِي الآخِرَةِ وَلاَ يُكَلِّمُهُمُ اللّهُ وَلاَ يَنظُرُ إِلَيْهِمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَلاَ يُزَكِّيهِمْ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ
The explanation:
(Those that sell God's covenant, and their oaths, for a little price; [they] will have no portion [in Paradise] in the Hereafter;
God shall not speak to them [to congratulate them, because they will not enter into Paradise,]
neither look [with mercy] on them on the Doomsday, [Because His mercy is only for believers exclusively on that day]
neither will He purify them [from sins] and there will be for them [in Hell] a painful chastisement.)

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God will speak to believers in Paradise with greeting and congratulation

This is in the Quran 36: 58
سَلَامٌ قَوْلًا مِن رَّبٍّ رَّحِيمٍ
The explanation:
("Peace!" will be the word said [to them] by a Most Merciful* Lord.)
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*Most Merciful: His mercy will exclusively be for believers only on the Judgment Day.


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eanassir

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God does not speak directly to people – 4

God is not a human being or mortal; He is exalted over His great and glorious throne.
The ignorant in every generation say such words of blasphemy that would God speak to us.
This is in the Quran 2: 118
وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ لَوْلاَ يُكَلِّمُنَا اللّهُ أَوْ تَأْتِينَا آيَةٌ كَذَلِكَ قَالَ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِم مِّثْلَ قَوْلِهِمْ تَشَابَهَتْ قُلُوبُهُمْ قَدْ بَيَّنَّا الآيَاتِ لِقَوْمٍ يُوقِنُونَ
The explanation:
(Those who know not, say: 'Would that God have spoken to us, or that a portent have come to us!'
So said the people before them words of similar import.
Their hearts are alike.
We have clearly explained the signs [of revelation] to a people who are sure [of faith.] )

And among their impossible requests and haughty word, are such as they demanded to see God with their own eyes; as in the Quran 25: 21
وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ لَا يَرْجُونَ لِقَاءنَا لَوْلَا أُنزِلَ عَلَيْنَا الْمَلَائِكَةُ أَوْ نَرَى رَبَّنَا لَقَدِ اسْتَكْبَرُوا فِي أَنفُسِهِمْ وَعَتَوْ عُتُوًّا كَبِيرًا
The explanation:
(Those [associaters] who look not for a meeting with Us [in the Hereafter] say:
"Why are not the angels sent down to us [to testify the apostlehood of Mohammed],

or [why] do we not see our Lord [to tell us that He has sent Mohammed to us]!?"

Indeed they have become proud within themselves, and their arrogance has exceeded all limits.)

As had the haughty Children of Israel demanded to see God with own eyes, according to the aya 2: 55
وَإِذْ قُلْتُمْ يَا مُوسَى لَن نُّؤْمِنَ لَكَ حَتَّى نَرَى اللَّهَ جَهْرَةً فَأَخَذَتْكُمُ الصَّاعِقَةُ وَأَنتُمْ تَنظُرُونَ
The explanation:
(And when you said [to Moses],
'O Moses! We will not believe in you until we see God manifestly',
and the thunderbolt seized you while you yet looked on.)



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Again your book and again quotes from the idiot. You're as bad as the people of the book.

What proof do you have?
 

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God does not speak directly to people – 5


Even in the spiritual night ascension of Prophet Mohammed, God – be glorified – did not speak to His beloved servant Prophet Mohammed,
when He brought him close to the throne by a distance of two opposing bows (of arrows) like these { }; [this might be about one foot distance from the throne!?]

But there God inspired to His servant Mohammed the inspiration that He had inspired to the prophets before. As in the Quran 53: 1-18

ثُمَّ دَنَا فَتَدَلَّى.فَكَانَ قَابَ قَوْسَيْنِ أَوْ أَدْنَى .فَأَوْحَى إِلَى عَبْدِهِ مَا أَوْحَى.مَا كَذَبَ الْفُؤَادُ مَا رَأَى.أَفَتُمَارُونَهُ عَلَى مَا يَرَى.

The explanation:
(9- Then he came closer [to the throne of the Lord,] and was guided [thereto by Gabriel,]
10- And he was at [a distance of] two [opposing] bows [from the Throne] or [even] nearer.
11- And [God] revealed to His servant [Mohammed] those [commandments of monotheism and abandoning idolatry] which He had revealed [to the prophets before him.]
12- His [spiritual] heart lies not of what [surprises] he saw [at heaven.]
13- Will you then dispute with him concerning what [portents] he saw?)

See details of this marvelous spiritual night journey and ascension to heaven of Prophet Mohammed; anyone who denies Mohammed is a loser.
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Vereya

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It's not really very surprising results as some of us are keenly aware that believers do make fewer mistakes than atheists.

Is it really so, Cannuck? I mean, is it an established fact, or is it just a vague idea?
 

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So you want to negotiate with God? This great honor had not been given to any human whose abdomen is full of gases and dirt. Not even souls after death can have this.



What do you eat dirt for???? It's not nutritious! 8O
 

Vereya

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Again your book and again quotes from the idiot. You're as bad as the people of the book.

What proof do you have?

It's very hard work to get a Muslim share his thoughts and ideas. I mean, his own thoughts and ideas, without quoting the Quran. I'd say, it's next to impossible.
They are not to blame, though. The rites of their religion were created with the purpose of turning thinking people into blind fanatics.
 

eanassir

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Again your book and again quotes from the idiot. You're as bad as the people of the book.

What proof do you have?


The believer will believe: to his prosperity; and the disbeliever will deny: to his misery.

As in the Quran 7: 178
مَن يَهْدِ اللّهُ فَهُوَ الْمُهْتَدِي وَمَن يُضْلِلْ فَأُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْخَاسِرُونَ
The explanation:
(Whomsoever God guides [to the way of the truth], has indeed been rightly guided;

and whomsoever He misguides, such surely are the losers.)

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The believer will believe: to his prosperity; and the disbeliever will deny: to his misery.

As in the Quran 7: 178
مَن يَهْدِ اللّهُ فَهُوَ الْمُهْتَدِي وَمَن يُضْلِلْ فَأُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْخَاسِرُونَ
The explanation:
(Whomsoever God guides [to the way of the truth], has indeed been rightly guided;

and whomsoever He misguides, such surely are the losers.)

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Your book says that I should be in misery.

That I am in misery is your proof that your book is true.

But I am both prosperous and happy; I am not in misery!

Therefore your proof is false.

Therefore your book is false.
 

eanassir

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It's very hard work to get a Muslim share his thoughts and ideas. I mean, his own thoughts and ideas, without quoting the Quran. I'd say, it's next to impossible.
They are not to blame, though. The rites of their religion were created with the purpose of turning thinking people into blind fanatics.


Not so, not so. But the Quran includes the refuting of all their claims.

This is in the Quran 25: 33
وَلَا يَأْتُونَكَ بِمَثَلٍ إِلَّا جِئْنَاكَ بِالْحَقِّ وَأَحْسَنَ تَفْسِيرًا
The explanation:
(And they bring you [Mohammed] no argument but We bring you the true [answer as against it], and a better explanation [thereof.] )


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It's very hard work to get a Muslim share his thoughts and ideas. I mean, his own thoughts and ideas, without quoting the Quran. I'd say, it's next to impossible.
They are not to blame, though. The rites of their religion were created with the purpose of turning thinking people into blind fanatics.

Vereya says here that it is difficult for you to answer in your own words.

So you reply:

Not so, not so. But the Quran includes the refuting of all their claims.

This is in the Quran 25: 33
وَلَا يَأْتُونَكَ بِمَثَلٍ إِلَّا جِئْنَاكَ بِالْحَقِّ وَأَحْسَنَ تَفْسِيرًا
The explanation:
(And they bring you [Mohammed] no argument but We bring you the true [answer as against it], and a better explanation [thereof.] )


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So you say it is not so yet you then quote a book.

Since proof Vereya was wrong could only come by you refuting her in your own words, yet you clearly did not do this, but instead did exactly the thing she said you would (quote your book), then she is correct and you have not proved her wrong.

You could only prove her wrong by refuting her in your own words. You did not do this. She says it is because you cannot. She predicted that you would not be able to. You were not able to. Therefore Vereya is correct.

In fact Vereya was able to predict you would throw quotes at her. This shows she has a keen understanding of Muslims.
 
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Vereya

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Absolutely right, ScottFree!
Just one little correction - I am feminine gender ;-)
 

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Ya! We are all figments of our imaginations and the world as we know it is a computer construct (virtual reality).



Ciffy, have you read ‘Through the Looking Glass’? It is based upon the game of chess. White King is a prominent character in it, but the Red King hardly appears at all, he sleeps through the entire book.

Anyway, at one stage some character says to Alice that she doesn’t really exist, but is only the part of Red King’s dream.

“Should the Red King wake up, poof! You will disappear forever.”

Alice started crying. She said ‘No, I am real.”

“You won’t make yourself a bit realer by crying.”

Then Alice realized the silliness of it. “See, I am shedding tears. That proves I am real.”

“How do you know these are real tears?”

So it may be that Lewis Carroll is right, and we are all part of the Red King’s dream.
 
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Quoting Cannuck
It's not really very surprising results as some of us are keenly aware that believers do make fewer mistakes than atheists.
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Is it really so, Cannuck? I mean, is it an established fact, or is it just a vague idea?


I don’t think it is a vague idea, Veraya, it is probably quire real. I am sure believers admit to making fewer mistakes than non believers. After all they have a direct hotline to God; God tells them what to do in each and every situation.

The surprising thing is not that believers admit to making fewer mistakes, but it is that they admit to making any mistakes at all. A believer admitting making a mistake means that either his God made a mistake, or that he doesn’t really have the hot line to God that he imagined, that his God is phony.

So the surprising part is that believers admit to making any mistakes at all. And it really is extremely rare for a believer to admit that he/she was wrong. Look at Bush, when did he ever say that he was wrong about anything?
 

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Oh! and Sir Joseph, my karma ran over your dogma. In my religion, I get to come back if I want to and do the things I didn't get to do this time around. So there!

Maybe so Cliffy, but does your karma guarantee you a reserved seat in the Heaven? My dogma does.

I bought a reserved seat in Heaven from a televangelist a few years ago. He was having a half price sale, and the seats he would normally sale for 2000 $ were going for only 1000 $ (such a bargain!).

Or more accurately, you send him a donation of 1000 $, and he will give you a reserved seat in Heaven as a gift. The difference being that if it is a donation, the entire 1000 $ is tax free, while if he sells the seat in heaven for 1000 $, he has to pay tax on the profits.

Anyway, so I received a guaranteed reservation in Heaven for a donation of 1000 $. Does you karma promise you that?
 

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"In fact, we did not find religious people made more errors -- they actually made significantly fewer errors, which was very interesting to us," Inzlicht told CTV.ca....

And how does he know that, Cannuck? Did he actually give the same tasks to religious and non religious people and observe the results, or did he simply ask them if they made any errors?

If he simply asked them, the result is nonsense. Why would a religious person admit to making any errors at all? That would reflect poorly on his God.

Surprising thing is that religious people admit to making any errors at all, that tells the world that their God is not infallible.