I think he was buying some pillows for a few house guests in the up coming rapture. The white rail cars with shackles and guillotines will be pulling into station later this afternoon. Are ya gonna line up and be first?
The Improbability of God
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I think he was buying some pillows for a few house guests in the up coming rapture. The white rail cars with shackles and guillotines will be pulling into station later this afternoon. Are ya gonna line up and be first?
Gonna have to call you on this one. The ones in your scenario do not line up on their own, they are put into the proper line. Nor does your scenario have the required ending, it happens like this. This one verse should give you a glimpse at the highlights of the entire passage.
Zec:14:12:
And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem;
Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet,
and their eyes shall consume away in their holes,
and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
We can cover the wine-press another time maybe, it a gusher by all accounts.
Petros, Fundamentalist Christians are looking forward to the Rapture, so am I. The world has to be a better place with all the Fundamentalist crazies raptured away (as I said previously, maybe we can talk the God into taking Fundamentalist Muslim crazies with him as well, that will make the world even a better place).
Scripture 101
No rapture, all the righteous are on earth through the time called tribulation. The notion of being removed from what will be dangerous times is a false doctrine.
The world you call a better place is going to be run by Satan, now if SJP is looking forward to having his glory days during that time then his place is determined, it isn't like people missed (avoiding) it the first time destruction came calling so a repeat with fire instead of water would certainly be possible in that some might not be any smarter than back then.
M't:24:38:
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking,
marrying and giving in marriage,
until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
No rapture, all the righteous are on earth through the time called tribulation. The notion of being removed from what will be dangerous times is a false doctrine.
The world you call a better place is going to be run by Satan, now if SJP is looking forward to having his glory days during that time then his place is determined, it isn't like people missed (avoiding) it the first time destruction came calling so a repeat with fire instead of water would certainly be possible in that some might not be any smarter than back then.
M't:24:38:
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking,
marrying and giving in marriage,
until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
With adults I have been known to stop right there, it makes the night visions mre entertaining they say. The wee ones are left with knowledge of events after that supplied verse starting at about Vs:16 and ending with this (unless they want to hear more about the blessed people.
Zec:14:20:
In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses,
HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD;
and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowl's before the altar.
Zec:14:21:
Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts:
and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them,
and seethe therein:
and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
They know that is a continuation of this event.
Zec:13:9:
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.
Undoubtedly. However, most books are definitely clearer than the Bible. Instead of telling everyone that some mythical mystic can conjure up an entire universe in 7 days, for example, the author could have said it took 7 trillion years or something. But no, people read it and think literally. And instead of saying things such as., Love thy neighbor as thyself and leaving it at that, there are multiples of examples given that include a lot of unrealistic bilge that is written as if factual. Why be so vague, obtuse, and misleading?
That is an ASSumtion. There are many times I start doing research to learn more, or I ask for clarification, or I simply chalk it up to impossibilities.
It is usually good literary practise to focus on one thing at a time instead of having someone seesawing back and forth from one section to another in order to clarify this or that.
At any rate, the probabilities (the topic) of some mystical, omnipotent, invisible entity hatching a universe are extremely small and I think gods n such things are human anthropomorphisings of natural events and phenomena.
Exactly. How many disbelievers do such things? I suggest that by far the most grief brought about by people upon others is perpetrated by people of these different religions and politics.
And instead of saying things such as, Love thy neighbor as thyself and leaving it at that, there are multiples of examples given that include a lot of unrealistic bilge that is written as if factual. Why be so vague, obtuse, and misleading?
You nailed it, Gilbert. The problem with most religious books is that they say contradictory things at the same time. Thus ‘Love thy neighbour’ is counterbalanced by ‘Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live’.
The Good Samaritan is counterbalanced by calling for death to homosexuals. The good advice about how one should live one’s life (do unto others as you want others to do unto you) is counterbalanced by ‘wife is husband’s property’ and so on.
In fact, if you think about it, that is why more than a billion people each follow the Koran and the Bible. It is impossible that a billion people agree on anything. They read into the Bible (or Koran) their own prejudices.
Thus, a Mother Teresa would ignore the advice about killing witches or homosexuals, and would take only ‘Love thy neighbour’ to heart. A Savonarola, or a witch hunter would completely ignore ‘Love thy neighbour’ and follow ‘Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live’ to the letter.
As a practical guide, how one should live one’s live, Bible and Koran are practically worthless, one can read one’s own biases and prejudices into them and find support for them somewhere in the scripture.
No matter how noble or vile a notion, a thought or a deed, you will find support in the Bible for it. Bible is a very amorphous book.
You nailed it, Gilbert. The problem with most religious books is that they say contradictory things at the same time. Thus ‘Love thy neighbour’ is counterbalanced by ‘Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live’.
The Good Samaritan is counterbalanced by calling for death to homosexuals. The good advice about how one should live one’s life (do unto others as you want others to do unto you) is counterbalanced by ‘wife is husband’s property’ and so on.
In fact, if you think about it, that is why more than a billion people each follow the Koran and the Bible. It is impossible that a billion people agree on anything. They read into the Bible (or Koran) their own prejudices.
Thus, a Mother Teresa would ignore the advice about killing witches or homosexuals, and would take only ‘Love thy neighbour’ to heart. A Savonarola, or a witch hunter would completely ignore ‘Love thy neighbour’ and follow ‘Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live’ to the letter.
As a practical guide, how one should live one’s live, Bible and Koran are practically worthless, one can read one’s own biases and prejudices into them and find support for them somewhere in the scripture.
No matter how noble or vile a notion, a thought or a deed, you will find support in the Bible for it. Bible is a very amorphous book.
One is based upon evidence, the other hearsay, though.
Sure looks that way, yup.
That's your ASSumption. Mine is that Dex rebuts what he finds improbable, impossible, etc. The other stuff he seems to accept.
A single author couldn't write 1 book containing "a loosly held together set of seemingly unrelated stories, history, and prophecies"? I disagree ( I have a copy of Shakespeare's complete works as well as those of Notstradamus). But, that's neither here nor there, the point here is that the Bible was written by multiple authors and it would seem that many did not read the others' works.
Unlikely. But who is to say that you do or don't know more about the "interior of Scriptures" than everyone else here? Whomever would answer this question would be a very presumptuous sort of person.[/quote].....only that there mush have been men that were much more advanced than we are (to be able to assemble the Bible) or the Bible has one common source of knowledge..........[/quote] It is possible but extremely unlikely in either case.
Sounds just as thrilling as the version about lions laying down with lambs n stuff.
I've already responded, I told you it was irrelevant. What you really mean is that I have to respond to it in a way that suits your agenda. I don't have to do any such thing, and I won't accept such arrogant and presumptuous instruction from you. I choose what I respond to, and how I do it, not you, and you're free to respond to my posts or ignore them, as you see fit.
More than 3 times I have given you all the relevant verses that deal with this subject. You are either totally fuking brain-dead or you just have to hold onto your current views for some other obscure reason. Your one line above shows that you are being willfully being a prick. There is no sin today that calls for people being killed. That doesn't mean in some circles you wouldn't be, it just means the NT says nothing beyond it being a sin of adultery which has no life threatening penalty. If you are truly this stupid my apoligies, if you are playing the system (which I think you are)them expect no quarter from me and what you have read so far is nothing compared to what it can and will be. Stop saying God has put a very bad spotlight on that specific lifestype and I'll leave you in peace.
Does that contain enough clarity for you SJP?
Gilbert, there are plenty of nice Christians, I personally know quite a few. On the international scene, there is (or was) Mother Teresa, Rev. Marin Luther King, Bishop Tutu, Jimmy Carter etc. So there are plenty of good Christians everywhere.
Unfortunately, there are also plenty of bad Christians, hate mongers, purveyors of bias, prejudice and filth. There are a few on this forum (obviously).
On international scene, we have Pat Robertson (late), Gerry Falwell, Dr. Dobson, abortion clinic bombers, purveyors of hate against homosexuals etc. these are merchants of hate.
The good Christians follow their faith (or rather, the good portions of Scripture). The bad or hate filled Christians (like the one in this forum and the religious right leaders) follow the worst portions of scripture. They also paraphrase the good parts of Scripture. Love thy neighbour becomes hate thy neighbour.
Godliness is taken to mean insulting others, badmouthing others. Instead of good works racking up brownie points with God (as Catholic Church assumes), vile, dirty deeds are considered to rack up brownie points with the Lord.
It is all part of human nature (and part of human inspired God and Scriptures).
Nice try, but I'll pass on claiming those attributes at the moment, in light of my post you quoted.
Ah, much better now. I assume they are not pushovers either
The Bible is not your run of the mill piece of literature. Say one specific topic (all questions and answers on 1 single subject) is 3 pages in length. It would have been convenient of God to have those 3 pages all in one single spot and by 1 writer. Well it doesn't work that way, God ripped up those 3 pages into 20 pieces, He then gave those 20 pieces to 20 different authors who wrote every single word down so they all appear in one verse or another. To get the skinny on that subject you need all 20 pieces. If 1 has not been found the real message maybe (high probability) off from what it would be with every verse in it's place. Now that might seem like God is just messing with us, that putting things all over tyhe Bible makes the subjects taper-proof. If all infornation was in 1 chapter it would be easy to alter the original message. To alter it after it is in 20 different books means changing 20 passages which have other subject mentioned which would then have to be altered and son and so on. At normal reading speed some passage may cover 5 topics, after some reading you don't have to go and look everyone up before moving on. It is important to remember the words used thought as they hold clues on where to go for more info on that subject. Here a little there a little.
Isa:28:10:
For precept must be upon precept,
precept upon precept;
line upon line,
line upon line;
here a little,
and there a little:
As to the 6 days, it is our definition that is messing us up. Our days were not established until after the first several day had passed. Where was God when the universe began, logically He was somewhere outside and the universe could be 'smaller' that Him. Add 6 zero's to the 4500 years since the garden was closed and you have something that can 9and does) follow creation as taught by science. Discounting the time from the 1st star until our own star it is our star that is referenced by the word light, sunlight on this heavenly body we call earth. end of day 1 was 4.5 billion years ago, each progressive day is given a length we can understand by taking away 1 zero until end of day 6 (garden complete with Adam starting to name things) 45,000 years ago. Why didn't God explain this, early man had no need to deal with huge numbers nor did he need to know about powers of 10's. There a nice little summary in one paragraph. the detailed version is 20 pages.