You haven't offered an argument. You've done nothing but cite the Quran and offer an assortment of logical fallacies.
The Improbability of God
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MHz, I don’t know how I missed this post of yours, it is juicy stuff. So let me get this straight, if I continue to hold the views I hold, you are going to unleash a torrent of abuse, a torrent of hate, a torrent of insults, a torrent of filth?
Well, let us see what you are capable of. Being a man of God, no doubt your arsenal of insults is boundless.
Now, how can I miss such a side show? Let us see what you are capable of. So let me kelp you out.
Stop saying God has put a very bad spotlight on that specific lifestyle and I'll leave you in peace.
Really? Well. GOD PRESCRIBES DEATH PENALTY TO HOMOSEXUALS (LEVITICUS).
There, is that loud enough for you? Now let us see what you are capable of in the field of insults, no doubt you have a PhD in insults (I myself have a PhD, but it is only in Polymer Science).
So, let the insults flow, let torrents of filth come out of your mouth. Do your God proud. Remember, you have to rack up plenty of Brownie points from your God. Go on, we are all eagerly awaiting the side show.
Most Fundamentalists do have a potty mouth; let us see what you are capable of.
My father is religious and I don't follow him... I think for myself.
Why would you quote this to me? It actually confirms what I have been saying: that you don't think for yourself and you should.
I deny god because there isn't one shred of evidence he exists. If you could even produce the smallest bit of evidence I would listen to you. But evidence isn't quotes from a madman or anecdotes from ignorant superstitious wish thinkers.
I read the works of some people and consider their opinion. That is way different then following them. I don't follow anyone but I do know a good argument when I hear one.
This isn't true. It is a lie. An empty threat because he cannot produce a real threat. He is just trying to give himself credibility but anyone sensible can see through his bluff.
Yeah huh.... when lol :lol:, you people of books crack me up... the Christians have been waiting 2000 years now you've been waiting 1000 (or whatever). It would be really funny except religion kills so many people.
You don't doubt because you follow your father. If your father had been a Christian you would be that. If your father had been Jewish so too would you be.
You're what you are because you don't think, you just follow.
You said god would make me fear him.
He hasn't made me fear him.
I piss on him.
Therefore there is no god.
OK.... this is a contradiction. First your book said I should be in misery and now it says I can enjoy myself... lmao! :lol:
Mohammad obviously has no idea what he is talking about.
This is too much now.... :lol::lol::lol:
Which god is it you think I should believe in? Yours or eanassir's?
And what proof do you have that your god exists? And what proof do you have that eanassir's doesn't and what proof do you have that your god is better?
Wow, this thread is getting silly.
I'll tell you right now: neither of your gods exist.
Both religions are BS.
I said in the reply # 275
"Any object and any action has its creator or doer."
It means there is the Creator of the universe and its systems and laws and rules; He caused the movement of every moving object and created all animate and inanimate beings.
In another reply, I said the atheist clinged to the very very little probability and left the extremely large probability of the object been created by a creator, and that it cannot be the universe came to existence haphazardly and spontaneously of its own accord.
But to me I am certain, and there is no way of any probability other than the absolute certainty about God's existence.
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What I cited of the Quran is to confirm such words; and you will not follow any scientific way unless you consider and contemplate and think deeply about the meaning of the Quran, or else you are only trying to make an evasion;
and I think your stubborn way of denial and rejecting the Quran is only some defense psychological means to protect yourself from considering and thinking about the wisdom included in every word of the ayat of the Quran.
To examine yourself and to check is my word true; resort to the ayat in the beginning of soorah 22 (22: 5-7)
Here God – be exalted – gave two arguments to the existence of the afterlife: the sending to the afterlife: the spiritual life there, and that there will be no return of the bodies to life again ––– (1) the creation of man from dust then from scanty seminal fluid, then the stages of embryonic development inside the womb of the mother, then birth, maturity, elderly, then death.
The other argument ––– (2) the rain water falling on some desolate land and reviving of such dead land, by the water.
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The miracle of the Quran is that it addresses people according to their minds and reason and intelligence; its parables have implications and meanings that each person may understand some of its meaning.
So, having read the interpretation of these ayat 22: 5-7, I made some inquiry among different people (many of whom I don't know, but might only have met them in the street or in the bus), and each of them started to give some of what he understood, which gave me additional hints to more depth in the meaning.
Read at least the translation of the meaning of the Quran by a non-Muslim translator: A J Arberry
http://mlivo.com/translations/Arberry.htm
Chapter 22: 5-7
(Although his translation is much defective; and any translation is only the translation of the meaning according to the understanding of such translator.)
"Any object and any action has its creator or doer."
It means there is the Creator of the universe and its systems and laws and rules; He caused the movement of every moving object and created all animate and inanimate beings.
In another reply, I said the atheist clinged to the very very little probability and left the extremely large probability of the object been created by a creator, and that it cannot be the universe came to existence haphazardly and spontaneously of its own accord.
But to me I am certain, and there is no way of any probability other than the absolute certainty about God's existence.
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What I cited of the Quran is to confirm such words; and you will not follow any scientific way unless you consider and contemplate and think deeply about the meaning of the Quran, or else you are only trying to make an evasion;
and I think your stubborn way of denial and rejecting the Quran is only some defense psychological means to protect yourself from considering and thinking about the wisdom included in every word of the ayat of the Quran.
To examine yourself and to check is my word true; resort to the ayat in the beginning of soorah 22 (22: 5-7)
Here God – be exalted – gave two arguments to the existence of the afterlife: the sending to the afterlife: the spiritual life there, and that there will be no return of the bodies to life again ––– (1) the creation of man from dust then from scanty seminal fluid, then the stages of embryonic development inside the womb of the mother, then birth, maturity, elderly, then death.
The other argument ––– (2) the rain water falling on some desolate land and reviving of such dead land, by the water.
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The miracle of the Quran is that it addresses people according to their minds and reason and intelligence; its parables have implications and meanings that each person may understand some of its meaning.
So, having read the interpretation of these ayat 22: 5-7, I made some inquiry among different people (many of whom I don't know, but might only have met them in the street or in the bus), and each of them started to give some of what he understood, which gave me additional hints to more depth in the meaning.
Read at least the translation of the meaning of the Quran by a non-Muslim translator: A J Arberry
http://mlivo.com/translations/Arberry.htm
Chapter 22: 5-7
(Although his translation is much defective; and any translation is only the translation of the meaning according to the understanding of such translator.)
What are you smoking you silly little twit. This post is a repeat of one you recebtly made, my reply to it is in the SC, the thread title even has your name on it, LOL.
Even that Dexter character is (most likely)narrowing his eyes when he reads your dribble. He may be hard-headed but that is far from being the annoyance you are (intentionally trying to be). I'll see if the rest of your post is worth responding to. LOL
So with a degree you can still think like the words below. I would have to check but the ignore button (which really is where you are headed) should make seeing someone's posts impossible. Otherwise it would be a meaningless button. If Dexter was on the ignore list I wouldn't have been able to see his post, not seeing his post means I could not quote or reply to his post. So did your degree come off your own printer or did you have to pay somebody for it.
I have set a match to the fuse that leads to a pile of TNT is the way that thing works. You can hold a stick over an open-flame and nothing happens. Our foreman once tossed a stick into the fire cause nobody wanted to get up. We all got up, really fast actually. That was when I got that info.
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Where are the insults, the abuse, the invective, the filth you promise, MHz? Let me wind you up again, let me get you started.
MHz, CHRISTIAN GOD PRESCRIBES DEATH PENALTY TO HOMOSEXUALS (LEVITICUS).
MHz, CHRISTIAN GOD PRESCRIBES DEATH PENALTY TO HOMOSEXUALS (LEVITICUS).
He may be hard-headed but that is far from being the annoyance you are (intentionally trying to be).
Now here you are right (for a change). I do have the knack of getting under the skin of religious fanatics. On canada.com forum I have reduced religious fanatics to gibbering wrecks, where they start foaming at the mouth and start shouting abuse non stop (as you threatened to do). That of course gives me chance to further sneer at them and cut off the debate.
It makes me look above the fray, thoughtful, rational, it makes them look extreme, angry and at a loss for words (since they had to resort to abuse).
Just call it a talent or a gift from God.
Now here you are right (for a change). I do have the knack of getting under the skin of religious fanatics. On canada.com forum I have reduced religious fanatics to gibbering wrecks, where they start foaming at the mouth and start shouting abuse non stop (as you threatened to do). That of course gives me chance to further sneer at them and cut off the debate.
It makes me look above the fray, thoughtful, rational, it makes them look extreme, angry and at a loss for words (since they had to resort to abuse).
Just call it a talent or a gift from God.
Which god is it you think I should believe in? Yours or eanassir's?
And what proof do you have that your god exists? And what proof do you have that eanassir's doesn't and what proof do you have that your god is better?
Scott Free, to be on the safe side, why not believe in both the Gods? And also be an Applist (one must cover all the bases).
I know the argument sounds stupid, but that is the argument that religious fanatics seriously make.
Their argument is ‘suppose I am wrong (this is the religious fanatic speaking) and there is no after life, I haven’t lost anything. But suppose you are wrong and there is an afterlife, you will be damned to eternal Hell forever.’
And what proof do you have that your god exists? And what proof do you have that eanassir's doesn't and what proof do you have that your god is better?
Scott Free, to be on the safe side, why not believe in both the Gods? And also be an Applist (one must cover all the bases).
I know the argument sounds stupid, but that is the argument that religious fanatics seriously make.
Their argument is ‘suppose I am wrong (this is the religious fanatic speaking) and there is no after life, I haven’t lost anything. But suppose you are wrong and there is an afterlife, you will be damned to eternal Hell forever.’
The god du jour.
Today is SunDay, so, fittingly, today's god is Ra, the Egyptian god of the sun.
Quick facts (Myths - sorry!)
ANCIENT EGYPT: RA THE SUN GOD AND QUEEN CLEOPATRA INSPIRES SOLAR NAVIGATOR CATAMARAN FIGURE HEAD - SOLAR BOAT
Today is SunDay, so, fittingly, today's god is Ra, the Egyptian god of the sun.
Quick facts (Myths - sorry!)
ANCIENT EGYPT: RA THE SUN GOD AND QUEEN CLEOPATRA INSPIRES SOLAR NAVIGATOR CATAMARAN FIGURE HEAD - SOLAR BOAT
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And what proof do you have that your god exists? And what proof do you have that eanassir's doesn't and what proof do you have that your god is better?
Scott Free, regarding whose God is better, I remember something I read when we were going to visit India.
Christian missionaries forcibly converted millions of Hindus to Christianity when India was ruled by the British. Missionaries had the tacit backing of the government, and the government would look other way when there were forcible conversions.
Thus, a missionary would drop sacramental wafer, bread and biscuits (cookies to us in North America) into the wells at night (each village has 3 or 4 communal wells form which all the people draw water). In the morning anybody who drank the water from the wells automatically became a Christian. They converted villages at a time that way. Much quicker and much more efficient (you get more bang for the pound) this way, rather than do individual conversions.
However, they were not always forced conversions. Sometimes the missionaries resorted to logic, to argument. One of their favorite arguments was as follows:
The missionary would say to the poor, illiterate villager “Look, your God is made of stone; our God is made of wood. Suppose we put both Gods in water. Out God will float, will stay alive, while your God will sink without trace. That proves that ours is the true God, ours is the true religion, since our God is more powerful.
Once a missionary tried this argument with an educated man and the man replied “suppose we pour gasoline on both the Gods and set them on fire. Your God would burn to ashes, while our God won’t be affected at all. This proves that our God is better, that our God is the true God, and our religion the true religion.
Scott Free, regarding whose God is better, I remember something I read when we were going to visit India.
Christian missionaries forcibly converted millions of Hindus to Christianity when India was ruled by the British. Missionaries had the tacit backing of the government, and the government would look other way when there were forcible conversions.
Thus, a missionary would drop sacramental wafer, bread and biscuits (cookies to us in North America) into the wells at night (each village has 3 or 4 communal wells form which all the people draw water). In the morning anybody who drank the water from the wells automatically became a Christian. They converted villages at a time that way. Much quicker and much more efficient (you get more bang for the pound) this way, rather than do individual conversions.
However, they were not always forced conversions. Sometimes the missionaries resorted to logic, to argument. One of their favorite arguments was as follows:
The missionary would say to the poor, illiterate villager “Look, your God is made of stone; our God is made of wood. Suppose we put both Gods in water. Out God will float, will stay alive, while your God will sink without trace. That proves that ours is the true God, ours is the true religion, since our God is more powerful.
Once a missionary tried this argument with an educated man and the man replied “suppose we pour gasoline on both the Gods and set them on fire. Your God would burn to ashes, while our God won’t be affected at all. This proves that our God is better, that our God is the true God, and our religion the true religion.
The punishment of the homosexual: the subject and the object (or the doer and the one acted on) both of them will be punished, but not to death penalty; it is some milder punishment: either some lashes or imprisonment: I am not certain about this; it is written some where in the interpretation some of which is not available now with me.
When I read this in the interpretation, I was surprised; because I thought it may be worse than adultery; and asked Abu abd-Allah; he said it is as such as in the interpretation.
The original Torah (including the Book of Leviticus; which is also included in the Old Testament) was very much similar to the statements of the Glorious Quran, but by time and by various factors including also the translations, many rites and statements were then distorted: added, omitted, or invented by the priest Ezra son of Siraeh following their return from the captivity of Babylon.
But concerning the people of Lot who dwelt in Sodom and Gomorrah and the rest of the five cities that where destroyed by the earthquake and were in the site of the present Dead Sea. They were known to have this homosexuality and were punished by the extermination (almost were wrong-doers and associaters and rejected the admonishing of Prophet Lot.
Until the religious get a grasp on the numbers behind the words of the religious books there will never be spiritual enlightenment.
If the town were really home to the Israeli National Bum Darts Team, where did the kids come from to keep the population up?
8O Do you mean like if you took a number from Scripture and 'did some things to it' a valid message could be arrived at?
say that 666 mentioned is the number of man. It is fulfilled when the population of the earth (saved and unsaved) reaches 6.66 Billion. Satan gets permission to kill 1/3, that is 2.22 Billion. All those deaths take place in 1110 days (42mo-5mo=37moX 30days/mo=1110days)meanong 2million/day
Now you have a guideline as to what tribulation looks like when Satan has the reigns.
Is that what you mean by 'numbers'?