Ah, you guys don't need handguns anyway. If you want to overthrow the government, you'll use AK-47s just like prety much every other revolutionary force on the face of the earth. They don't have to be legal, they just appear on planes in the middle of the night.
The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!
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OK, so where was I when khaki-clothed survivalists stormed out of the Gatineau forest to defeat the oppressive military occupiers with their caches of contraband Glock 9 mms? Hmmm, I do recall hearing about Pierre Laporte being found dead in the trunk of a car.
Is this what we will be fighting the government to defend? Or, perhaps the Oklahoma City bombing is more representative of the statement our hard-won right to bear arms can be used to safeguard against government repression?
I have confidence in my fellow Canadian, sometimes misplaced I know, not to be a gun-toting paranoid nutcase.
To quote James Nichols in Bowling for Columbine, when asked why he thought restrictions on weapons-grade plutonium might not be a bad idea:
"Because there's a lot of wackos out there."
Amen, brother, you would know
That's where the pro-gun lobby is coming from. Not just there...there's also Ruby Ridge and Waco and all of those survivalist-types who can't wait for the nuclear conflagration so they can kill radio-active mutants. Let's not forget Teddy Kaczinsky and the thousands more like him living in shacks in Montana.
I've been intrigued by the militia movement and its off-shoots in the US for years. By intrigued, I don't mean supportive...in fact the more I've learned of it, the more it scares the crap out me. As the militia movement grew, the more people from the farm movement were sucked in. The more it grew, the more the racist and radical Christian groups edged towards it.
The rhetoric being spewed by the pro-gun people here is sounding more and more like the paranoid ramblings that bunch was so fond of before Oklahoma. They still talk like that in the militia movement, of course...they're just more careful who they do it around.
Reverend Blair said:
Although I don't advocate over throwing the Canadian government, at least not in the foreseeable future…. Still, I'm actually not willing to stand out by the airport waiting for AK47s to drop out of the sky. I would also worry that they were AK47s rather than M16s.
In reality though, we aren't asking for the ability to have such weapons available at our immediate disposal. We simply want the government to strengthen training, have available more types of licensing and relax restrictions of general use firearms like handguns.
This handgun ban would be a band-aid and everyone knows it. If I was giving advice to guns owners who where caught up in this, I would suggest they follow the lead of the teachers in BC. Ignore the law and raise hell over the issue.
What would the Canadian government do with 10 thousand armed gun owners marching up and down Parliament Hill demanding a return of their rights?
These aren't the kinds of planes that make a habit of landing at Pearson, Jay.
There's also a reason why they'll be AK-47's. They work dirty and they are small and easy enough to handle that a small woman or a child can use one with little or no training. They are also cheap. In some parts of Africa and Asia, you can get one for a chicken...not a a laying hen, a chicken. It's the ultimate death machine.
Use it as an excuse to ban long guns. Do you guys have no understanding of how politics work in this country?
Quite often. It's funny...a few years ago I was watching a thing on Tibet. Jewel and some others were talking about a peaceful revolution and how it would certainly work if they sang songs and everybody said, "ohm" a lot. I said at the time that Jewel should be using her money to buy the people guns if she wanted to start a revolution in Tibet. The Chinese aren't known for caving in to public pressure.
Don't ever confuse AIM (I assume you mean the Wounded Knee from the 1970's) and their actions with those of people like those at Waco.
Both were misguided, and both were handled badly (that's a euphemism for murdered, in this case) by the US government, but the reasons for the existence of those groups are far different.
The folks at Waco and within the American militia movement are far more like the militant political apologists that currently exist within native youth gangs in Canada though. The politics are used to justify the criminality. That degrades the politics and hurts the people who are there for legitimate reasons. There's a huge difference between Oka uprising and the Manitoba Warriors running teen hookers. There's not a lot of difference between David Koresh and the Manitoba warriors though.
I grew up around guns my whole life, and me and my dad and grampa went hunting every year, so I understand the anger toward the federal government at the gun registry program. It is a totally illogical approach, when they have the facts that say that the overwhelming number of gun crimes commited are with illegal or stolen guns.
I also do not have a problem with handguns, as long as individuals have to go through the proper screening process to makes sure that they are not a threat to the public.
I heard about Paul Martin announcing a sweeping handgun ban.......does anyone know if this is for Canada? ontario? or just Toronto?
I also do not have a problem with handguns, as long as individuals have to go through the proper screening process to makes sure that they are not a threat to the public.
I heard about Paul Martin announcing a sweeping handgun ban.......does anyone know if this is for Canada? ontario? or just Toronto?
and if this handgun ban is nationwide I am going to be pretty mad. :evil: I personally do not own any guns but my dad owns many handguns, and he is a law abiding man so why should he have to give up his handguns because some idiots in Ottawa do not understand rural life. I am sick and tired of the Liberal party and thier ignorance.........(I can't believe I voted for them in the last election 
......ahhh but I was a young lad and it twas my first election :wink:
......ahhh but I was a young lad and it twas my first election :wink:If Martin announced it, it's for Canada. Harper said he'd consider the same ban. Layton offered Martin congrats on a deathbed conversion on the eve of an election.
You can't steal guns that aren't in the country because they are illegal.
Half of all gun crime is committed with guns that are illegally imported. The vast majority of those come from the US, so I think we should be checking each and every car for guns. Anybody caught at the border with guns should be facing twenty years and their cars seized.
The other half of gun crime is being committed with guns that come from someplace though. That makes a handgun ban make sense.
It won't solve the problem, but it will focus it on the real problem...guns from the US. When they run out of excuses, they'll have to do something about that open border.
hell yea, the problem is guns smuggled into this country. There needs to be action to curb this, rather than target avg citizens. The only problem is how this would affect the border crossing seeing as it woudl cause huge backups.
Actually me and my buddy were down in the US and when we came back to enter Canada they searched our whole car and had the mirrors under the car to check as well. However I think this was because we are the "sterotypical" age where everyone is suspicious of you. :twisted: also this was at a small border crossing on the praries so the agents probably had time to kill.....it would probably be a different story in the heavy ontario border crossings.
but blair I do not agree with your idea that we should ban all handguns, I mean what ever happened to the good ol libertarians who said live and let live. :wink: I think my dad has the damn right to own a handgun and the people in Ottawa should shut the hell up. The town where he lives like at least 50% of families own guns, but I I can't remeber a gun homicide...heck don't even thinnk there ever was one.
RE: The Gun Registry Must
Guns are one thing, handguns are another. I see no legitimate use for handguns in Canada today. Only half of all guns used in crime are coming across the border. I have no doubt that if you ban guns, more will just flow across the border to fill the void, but that will force them to take a realistic look at the border and take measures to address the guns coming across there.
Guns are one thing, handguns are another. I see no legitimate use for handguns in Canada today. Only half of all guns used in crime are coming across the border. I have no doubt that if you ban guns, more will just flow across the border to fill the void, but that will force them to take a realistic look at the border and take measures to address the guns coming across there.
target practice, gun collecting ect ect....
but my point is that we don't need gov't telling us how to live our life. I don't see the need for decrimilizing marajuanna and crack injection sites, or legalizing gay marrage, but I tolerate these things because I understand that controlling peoples lives is wrong.
the handgun ban is one of those things that is you do not own one then you hate it, well just because i am not gay does not mean I am against it...ya know what I mean
RE: The Gun Registry Must
I don't think I misunderstood at all, I just disagree. You were equating David Koresh with Wounded Knee. I assumed that you meant the 1970's Wounded Knee because of the stand off and the government lies and abuse of the justice system. The original Wounded Knee was a far different matter...more along the lines of modern day Darfur.
Still, I think that comparing Koresh to either version of Wounded Knee cheapens what happened to the people there.
Koresh and his followers were dangerous to themselves and others. They needed to be stopped. They shouldn't have been burned alive, gassed, shot and exposed to the bullshot they were exposed to, but stopping them was justified.
I don't think I misunderstood at all, I just disagree. You were equating David Koresh with Wounded Knee. I assumed that you meant the 1970's Wounded Knee because of the stand off and the government lies and abuse of the justice system. The original Wounded Knee was a far different matter...more along the lines of modern day Darfur.
Still, I think that comparing Koresh to either version of Wounded Knee cheapens what happened to the people there.
Koresh and his followers were dangerous to themselves and others. They needed to be stopped. They shouldn't have been burned alive, gassed, shot and exposed to the bullshot they were exposed to, but stopping them was justified.
Surprizingly enough, completely untrue. After watching the CBC National, and reading both national papers, I have come to the conclusion that this is simply a deception pulled on the innocent people of Toronto by that lying bit of pond scum, Paul Martin.
Provinces will be allowed to opt out.
There are 520,000 handguns legally owned in Canada. The vast majority are owned for the purposes of "target shooting".
Target shooters are exempt.
Those not owned by target shooters are owned by collectors. In the provinces that go along, collectors will be given 5 years to dispose of their guns.
Or they can become target shooters.
This is a very bad joke.
RE: The Gun Registry Must
How can provinces opt out, when Firearms is Federal Jurisdiction? I have not read or heard anything that provinces can opt out.
How can provinces opt out, when Firearms is Federal Jurisdiction? I have not read or heard anything that provinces can opt out.
Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must
Martin said it himself, when he announced the ban, although it was worded carefully enough that I didn't see it until it was pointed out on CBC The National.
Provinces enforce the laws, and many have refused to enforce the Firearms Act.
Also, regulatory law is provincial responsibility, which is what the provinces' challenge against the Firearms Act was about. The Court (now this is convoluted) decided "yes" it was regulatory law and "yes" it is a provincial responsibility, then ruled that it was important enough that the constitution should not apply, and found for the Feds.
Liberal lap-dogs, anyone?
Anyway, the whole damned thing appears to be a deception on a grand scale.
What BS!!!
Thank you Mr. Martin! God the PM is an arsehole.
no1important said:
Martin said it himself, when he announced the ban, although it was worded carefully enough that I didn't see it until it was pointed out on CBC The National.
Provinces enforce the laws, and many have refused to enforce the Firearms Act.
Also, regulatory law is provincial responsibility, which is what the provinces' challenge against the Firearms Act was about. The Court (now this is convoluted) decided "yes" it was regulatory law and "yes" it is a provincial responsibility, then ruled that it was important enough that the constitution should not apply, and found for the Feds.
Liberal lap-dogs, anyone?
Anyway, the whole damned thing appears to be a deception on a grand scale.
What BS!!!
Thank you Mr. Martin! God the PM is an arsehole.