The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

[Jay]

It is only vague in the sense that if your life is in danger, you couldn't use your handgun, because it is supposed to be locked up in its storage case.

The law is stupid, and so are its supporters.

The Canadian government basically says you do not have the right to defend your self, and that is fundamentally wrong, and everyone knows it.

 

[Jo Canadian]

Here's something to stir the pot up a bit.

Personally what do you need handguns for unless you're in the army, police, or just like concealed weapons. You can't hunt with them, and you can still defend your property and self with a rifle anyways, it's not like we're allowed to carry them around for protection anyways.

Liberals vow to ban handguns


The Liberal strategy for making the streets of Canada's cities safer begins with banning all handguns and getting tougher on crime. Paul Martin announced the ban in a troubled Toronto neighbourhood on Thursday.

"I've come to the conclusion that significant change is needed. I've come to the conclusion that we should ban handguns," Martin said at a community centre in north Etobicoke, a Toronto area rocked by spate of shootings this year. More

 

[Jay]

There are lots of things people don't need.

We sure don't need to have thieving politicians, but we have a House full of them.


We need to change the laws so that training is the objective, not banning. We need laws that are less intrusive, not more. We need freedom, not slavery, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Jay]

"I've come to the conclusion that significant change is needed. I've come to the conclusion that we should ban handguns," Martin said

I've come to the conclusion that Martin is a joke politician...I've come to the conclusion that every person that Martin didn't help with the money his party stole, he should have to spent 1 year in jail.....I've come to a lot of conclusions....another one is registration means confiscation, no matter how long and hard liberals lie and scream it doesn't.

I've come to the conclusion that after all of this BS from the liberals, and you still vote for them....there is something terribly wrong.

 

[Colpy]

Paul Martin's proposal to ban all handguns, even those from competition shooters is a false panacea to the shooting crimes in Toronto. Canadians should be made aware that this is simply a cheap electioneering stunt that the Liberals have pulled directly from the pages of Britain's Labour Party in that country's 1997 general election.

In 1997 Britain enacted some of the strictest gun laws in the world. While the number of licensed gun owners in that country has declined sharply, the illegal use of guns in crime has more than doubled since the laws were introduced.

According to U.K. Home Office figures, there were 9,974 crimes involving guns in Britain in 2002, compared to just less than 5,000 reported in 1997. Over the same period the number of homicides committed with guns has increased by 64%.

Handguns, which were the main focus of the ban in Britain, have seen the biggest rise in use by criminals. Home Office figures show that the number of crimes involving handguns has more than doubled since the ban, from 2,636 in 1997 to 5,871 in 2002. Injuries caused by handguns have also increased significantly, from 317 in 1997 to 648 in 2002.

Britain's experience is shocking, and suggests that the vast majority of guns used in crime don't come from licensed gun owners. If this was the case, gun crime in Britain would have fallen to an all time low in proportion to the drop in the number of licensed gun owners. Many people in Britain are now arguing the tighter laws were a costly and misdirected mistake that have done nothing to the check the problem of rising gun crime.

If the federal government wants to make our streets safer it should focus on putting more resources into combating the drug gangs who are perpetrating these crimes rather than focusing on law abiding sport shooters.

—Chris Rumbold | North Vancouver

The point is that Martin's move will make gun crime more serious, more prevalent.

It is completely outrageous.

 

[PoisonPete2]

I was in Greece in 1973 when the government there realized it was going to face a backlash from its agreement to allow the U.S. naval bases to continue occupying its territory. One of its initial actions was to seize weapons from farmers throughout Greece. Luckily they didn't find them all and the government was toppled through revolution.

My point is that citizens need guns to protect society from bad government. That is why bad governments seek to ban guns. If the government was concerned with protection of life, they would ban badly designed vehicles, improve road safety, use more due diligence in reviewing medications (flu shots contain mercury), and severely punish corporate polluters.

 

[Jay]

I just picked myself up off of the floor. I can't believe you said that Pete2. I seriously thought you would have taken the opposite point of view.

Well put.

 

[Colpy]

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I was in Greece in 1973 when the government there realized it was going to face a backlash from its agreement to allow the U.S. naval bases to continue occupying its territory. One of its initial actions was to seize weapons from farmers throughout Greece. Luckily they didn't find them all and the government was toppled through revolution.

My point is that citizens need guns to protect society from bad government. That is why bad governments seek to ban guns. If the government was concerned with protection of life, they would ban badly designed vehicles, improve road safety, use more due diligence in reviewing medications (flu shots contain mercury), and severely punish corporate polluters.

Thank you PP2.

It seems people who have actually been around reprehensible gov't are not so quick to disarm the people.

It just those with lazy minds.

I remember hearing about Bruce Cockburn disagreeing with strict gun control. (love the guy's music) I was surprized, but then he spent a lot of time in Central America.

Free men keep arms. It is that simple.

 

[Jo Canadian]

He does have a point. But any gun can help overthrow a corrupt gov't, it's not just up to handguns. Since there are many hunters in Canada I'd say we have one hell of a standing civilian militia if it ever came down to it.

This may be a bad example, but James Roszko didn't need handguns.

 

[Colpy]

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I think you should become familiar with the different laws in Canada regarding guns.

Why don't you educate me. When can a private citizen discharge their handgun at another human being?

Here it is (believe me, I know)

You are justified in using lethal force when there is compelling reason to believe you or another person is in immediate danger of death or grievous bodily harm.

That is the law.

 

[Jay]

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He does have a point. But any gun can help overthrow a corrupt gov't, it's not just up to handguns.

Any gun can help, but fully automatic weapons do the job.

That's why the NDP wants to ban them.

 

[Colpy]

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He does have a point. But any gun can help overthrow a corrupt gov't, it's not just up to handguns. Since there are many hunters in Canada I'd say we have one hell of a standing civilian militia if it ever came down to it.

This may be a bad example, but James Roszko didn't need handguns.

Roszko is a very bad example, but you do have a point.

BTW Roszko was stopped by a handgun.

The point is that the Canadian government has been seizing privately held firearms since 1992.

It is incrementalism. They are moving quite quickly towards a completely disarmed society.

Registration leads directly to confiscation, It has been proven over and over and over again.

Time to put a stop to it.

A small idea. Every owner of a handgun (there are about a million restricted weapons in Canada) should refuse to turn in his guns, forcing the police to make repeated trips to his home, to get search warrants and seizure orders. We will make this cost them another billion or two.

This is also perfectly legal.

 

[PoisonPete2]

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I just picked myself up off of the floor. I can't believe you said that Pete2. I seriously thought you would have taken the opposite point of view.

Well put.

Answer - I've spent 25 years in the Criminal Justice System. There, the only voice allowed is the 'official' line. My view is that gun safety should be taught in highschool along with defencive driving, emergency responsiveness, first aid (including CPR and defibulator), the application of our Charter of Rights, a guide to accessing government services, and sundry other areas to ready our youth for full citizenship, all as part of a 'Civics' course.

If you looked through this thread Jay, indeed, the whole forum, you would know that I am an avid supporter of privacy, and individual rights over government intrusion. Freedom is too precious a commodity to be left in the hands of government.

 

[Colpy]

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I just picked myself up off of the floor. I can't believe you said that Pete2. I seriously thought you would have taken the opposite point of view.

Well put.

Answer - I've spent 25 years in the Criminal Justice System. There, the only voice allowed is the 'official' line. My view is that gun safety should be taught in highschool along with defencive driving, emergency responsiveness, first aid (including CPR and defibulator), the application of our Charter of Rights, a guide to accessing government services, and sundry other areas to ready our youth for full citizenship, all as part of a 'Civics' course.

If you looked through this thread Jay, indeed, the whole forum, you would know that I am an avid supporter of privacy, and individual rights over government intrusion. Freedom is too precious a commodity to be left in the hands of government.

I'm beginning to really like this guy.

 

[Jay]

Excellent Pete. I agree; totally agree.

 

[Jay]

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I just picked myself up off of the floor. I can't believe you said that Pete2. I seriously thought you would have taken the opposite point of view.

Well put.

Answer - I've spent 25 years in the Criminal Justice System. There, the only voice allowed is the 'official' line. My view is that gun safety should be taught in highschool along with defencive driving, emergency responsiveness, first aid (including CPR and defibulator), the application of our Charter of Rights, a guide to accessing government services, and sundry other areas to ready our youth for full citizenship, all as part of a 'Civics' course.

If you looked through this thread Jay, indeed, the whole forum, you would know that I am an avid supporter of privacy, and individual rights over government intrusion. Freedom is too precious a commodity to be left in the hands of government.

I'm beginning to really like this guy.

He is growing on me too. Let's hope he likes us too.

 

[Jo Canadian]

BTW Roszko was stopped by a handgun.

That doesn't really matter now does it? If the RCMP were outfitted with rifles, Roz would've suffered the same fate.

 

[pastafarian]

I believe the Liberals started the Gun registry for the same reason they do anything: optics.

It was and will continue to be an administrative nightmare, a money pit and will do absolutely nothing to make anyone safer. It provides only the appearance of solving any problems.

I think it was a money grab from hunters and other legitimate gun owners from the getgo and a way to pacify suburban types who are afraid of the crazy Albertans and their cowboy hats or the inner city rapsters that the Suns from coast-to-coast like to scare then with.

On the other hand, this idea of a grassroots insurrection against a corrupt government powered by good old Canadian boys and their trusty Remington .270s, puh-leeze :roll: .

Let's just say that someone's seen Rambo one too many times, or they've been snacking on their camo paint.

 

[PoisonPete2]

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This may be a bad example, but James Roszko didn't need handguns.

Roszko is a very bad example, but you do have a point.
BTW Roszko was stopped by a handgun.

Answer - The RCMP were on the property with a warrant to seize a truck that had a lein on it. They were breaching Mr. Rosko's civil rights by their continued search. There is widespread abuse of civil rights in Canada by the RCMP. They are supposed to be subject to law. This did not give Roszko the right to shoot them. But police abuse of authority led to the death of 5 persons that day. Just wanted to get that off my chest.

//Quote// Registration leads directly to confiscation, It has been proven over and over and over again.

A small idea. Every owner of a handgun (there are about a million restricted weapons in Canada) should refuse to turn in his guns, forcing the police to make repeated trips to his home, to get search warrants and seizure orders. We will make this cost them another billion or two. This is also perfectly legal.

Answer - The Act to create the Gun Registry also gave the Police exta-ordinary powers to enter private dwellings WITHOUT Warrant if it was suspected that an unregistered rifle or gun was inside. Is it not very sad indeed, the thin tissue of deception used to abrogate our 'supposed' rights under the Charter of Rights?

 

[PoisonPete2]

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On the other hand, this idea of a grassroots insurrection against a corrupt government powered by good old Canadian boys and their trusty Remington .270s, puh-leeze :roll: .

Let's just say that someone's seen Rambo one too many times, or they've been snacking on their camo paint.

Answer - You should maybe get out more often. Much of the world is rocked by the instability you assume could not happen in Canada. Remember the War Measures Act? That was the government enforcing marshall law on the people. The gun registry is also an erosion of freedom. If freedom is not protected it will be lost.

I would hope you would have more confidence in your fellow Canadian to resist oppression.