The Great Niquab Debate.

tay

Hall of Fame Member
May 20, 2012
11,548
1
36
so um who's been running all the stories, talking-up this whiny little SJW bitch in mississaugua who wants to hide her yap during the citizenship ceremony? das tories? :lol:

You will have to decode SJW for me (single jewish white?) as I have no idea what you mean by that or the reference.

Meanwhile even Conrad Black is shamed by the CONS imported tactic....


Everyone understands the political exigencies, and no reasonable person blames any politician, especially an incumbent, for going to great lengths to win. But the demagogy and the cynicism of this government, particularly in pandering to elements that it had practically no chance of losing to its rivals, is a dismal episode which, whatever the election result, taints the record of the regime.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/conrad-black-this-government-has-scraped-the-barrel-in-its-symbolic-pandering


Lynton Crosby has a full schedule. He is the modern electoral PR hitman for parties in dire straits. He is hired to stir the pot of resentment and undermine hopes for change. His very existence suggests that democracies are shadows of their actual function, operating on traditional platforms of populism when required

http://www.globalresearch.ca/canadas-elections-pr-strategist-lynton-crosby-retained-by-stephen-harper/5480036
 

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
The Government was taken to court on the basis that they had no right to change the law without going through Parliament. The court agreed .
That's funny since the court can change the law without it passing through parliament.
 

tay

Hall of Fame Member
May 20, 2012
11,548
1
36
Okay, I did not know that.

So who is this Mississauga person you are referencing and what's her connection to the Niqab issue....?

A guy walks into a bar with a grizzly bear, pats the bear on the head and introduces the people gathered there to the bear – many of whom are alarmed because it’s a bear; it’s able to fit a human head in its mouth and they just wanted to have a quiet drink.

The man talks loudly about the bear to the bar’s patrons. It becomes obvious that he’s spent a lot of money – not his own – maintaining this bear. He’s been feeding and grooming that beast a while now, often in the courts, and he’s very proud to have brought the bear into the mix.

He’s in that bar and he’s owning that bear and it’s clear that parading a bear about is one of his top priorities and he plans on riding that bear straight back to Ottawa from whence he came.

The man takes the bear’s leash off and sits down at the bar. The bear certainly gets attention, which is in short supply, so some other things don’t get attention. Things like why so many of the bear-bringers’ compatriots, appointees and employees are under, have been under, or might soon be under criminal investigation, for example.

Some people say, “Oh, come on, a bear? Why did you bring a bear in here?” at which point the man’s friends, who crowded in after him, start whispering, “Hey, let’s move on now, people, he’s not here to talk about the bear. He’s about so much more than that bear he brought in here.”

Which is odd because that guy, whom I’m going to call Stephen Harper, is still going on about that bear, which I am going to call Wedge Bear. He’s pretty much talking up the bear, and much to the dismay of many of the bar’s regulars, this talk is playing very well in certain corners of the establishment.

“Could there be anything more Canadian than this grizzly bear?” Stephen Harper says, feeding the bear someone else’s pretzels, smearing honey on some woman’s hat, as the bear knocks over a table.

This is greeted by some cheers from the darker parts of the bar. The bear starts to follow one unfortunate waitress slowly around the room.

“That bear is dangerous!” someone cries. “It could hurt a lot of innocent people!” But sadly, many on the left and the right side of the bar, having largely got over the initial excitement of the bear, respond “Nope, the bear is just a distraction. We as a bar have so many other issues we should talk about.”

“Ask Harper about Mike Duffy!” cries the left hand side of the bar.

“Ask Harper about the Trans-Pacific Partnership!” cries the right hand side of the bar.

“Ask him about the environment, because bears are no particular threat to me,” some on the left rejoin.

“Everyone shut up, there’s a game on,” people on both sides pipe up.

No one can hear much of any of this, however, because the bear is now standing on top of the pool table, roaring loudly.

That bear is really sucking the air out of the room,” says the bartender. “People are going to lose faith in this bar as an institution if we allow bears to be casually brought into it, and I have chicken wings to move.” These, the bear is eating.

“Oh, not the bear again!” Stephen Harper’s companions have begun to sigh when anyone brings the bear up. “Stephen Harper really wants to talk about the economy,” they say, as though people demanding that the bear be removed are being churlish.

There are people in that bar who have basically had to factor threats from the wild kingdom into everything they do on some level all their lives. But most of them had quite reasonably assumed that in 2015, in Canada, while the odd bear might slip into town – you’d see it on the news mostly – the nation’s leaders knew better than to introduce a grizzly into the room, for their own political benefit.

These people nurse their drinks quietly and wonder how, after living peacefully in Canada, studying engineering or nursing or whatnot and raising a family, they’ve suddenly ended up in a goddamn Werner Herzog film.

The point to my ursine tale is that once someone has chosen to introduce into a situation something as menacing and potentially harmful as a grizzly bear, or xenophobia in the form of a pointless, trumped-up niqab debate topped with a promise of a “barbaric practices hotline,” no one in good conscience can just decide it’s time to move along.

We have an obligation to get “distracted” here, to focus on these things – because a bear, which I’m not pretending is not a native species, has been unleashed into one of our most important public spaces and has shown no sign of leaving on its own.

Once something like that happens, it doesn’t matter how much you like or dislike anything else the guy who did this says or does or says he’ll do. It doesn’t matter how many rounds of drinks he promises to buy for your part of the house – the guy who introduced that bear, this Harper fellow, should only and always be known as “That guy who brought a grizzly bear into the bar,” and he should forever be asked why he chose this particular distraction. Why was this tiny minority considered fair game?

Because it’s entirely reasonable to wonder: If we’re complacent about this one group being fed to a bear today, who will get thrown to the wolves tomorrow?

A man and his bear walk into a bar... - The Globe and Mail
 

DaSleeper

Trolling Hypocrites
May 27, 2007
33,676
1,666
113
Northern Ontario,
I like the idea that if you want to work in the public sector, you can't wear face coverings.



The explanation to your little meme or one like it, was was posted before but you conveniently chose to ignore it like a good little troll!
 

Kathie Bondar

Kathie Bondar
May 11, 2010
230
1
18
Calgary, Alberta
I was surfing the net today just to find out that people are still hell bent for leather that the "Niquab" is a non-issue. I'm sorry you may agree with me or disagree with me that is your right. But here is my take on this whole thing...

I don't feel that the Niquab is something that should not be worn, HOWEVER... When being SWORN IN AS A CANADIAN CITIZEN, uncover your face. When I joined the Canadian military, I am most certain that had I have worn a mask to hide my identity, I never would have been sworn in. Quite frankly if I had gone running to the courts or human rights commission, I would have been laughed out of the buildings. So lets make this simple. If you want to become a sworn in citizen of this great country?, UNCOVER YOUR FACE SO WE CAN SEE WHO IS BEING SWORN IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When you go to vote, or get photo for drivers' licenses, UNCOVER YOUR FACE. This isn't rocket science, Just remember, if where you came from, you can vote, get a photo ID, Get sworn in to office etc..... and wear your Niquab? THEN GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE and go back to where life was so much better. The Canadian Bull**** Corporation (CBC) decided to air this today, Oct 7,2015 and I quote... "I would say there is patriarchy and misogyny in all cultures and all religions, across the board," she said. "It's a fallacy to say Muslim women have a particular problem with it. I think that's something the media portrays, which is a bias against Muslim women – as if we're the only ones in the entire world." No you are not the only women in the world, but when you are asking to become part of the CANADIAN population and want to be sworn in as a Canadian, Don't Hide your Identity. There are many other races, religions etc, that have been sworn in as citizens without having to wear the customary dress of the countries they came from... What makes you any different? When my grandparents were sworn in as Canadians they were not wearing kilts. So can someone please explain to me how this "CUSTOM" is such a huge issue? I have many Muslim/Islamic friends, both MALE AND FEMALE... and have been informed that this is NOT a religious rite but a "CUSTOM", Where in the charter of RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS does it say and CUSTOMS? In short, I say if you don't like it, you can leave, nobody here asked you to come.

They call it modesty. Actually, it is a sign of submission, of being controlled, of needing to remain invisible even on the street.
Western women fought hard for their achievements in society and business, so here comes this "somebody" trying to undermine it. Yet, they apply for jobs and expect equal treatment and wages in the workplace. There were a few as bank tellers at the branch I am banking. They did not last long and I am glad.
 

davesmom

Council Member
Oct 11, 2015
2,084
0
36
Southern Ontario
Polls have shown that a high percentage of Canadians are against the wearing of a niquab. The country belongs to Canadians and their wishes should be respected and complied with.
Democracy is not about what the politicians consider right or wrong or what will get them votes, democracy is about the citizenship having the kind of society they want.
Our Canadian culture and traditions are just important as those of the immigrants who want ours to change to accommodate theirs. When in Canada, do as the Canadians do.
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
75,301
548
113
Vernon, B.C.
Wrong and wrong. You're so silly.

Not a big deal, you're stupid! :) :) :)

Polls have shown that a high percentage of Canadians are against the wearing of a niquab. The country belongs to Canadians and their wishes should be respected and complied with.
Democracy is not about what the politicians consider right or wrong or what will get them votes, democracy is about the citizenship having the kind of society they want.
Our Canadian culture and traditions are just important as those of the immigrants who want ours to change to accommodate theirs. When in Canada, do as the Canadians do.

My sentiment exactly and probably 95% of other Canadians.
 

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
60,278
9,485
113
Washington DC
Polls have shown that a high percentage of Canadians are against the wearing of a niquab. The country belongs to Canadians and their wishes should be respected and complied with.
Democracy is not about what the politicians consider right or wrong or what will get them votes, democracy is about the citizenship having the kind of society they want.
Our Canadian culture and traditions are just important as those of the immigrants who want ours to change to accommodate theirs. When in Canada, do as the Canadians do.
So. . . majority rule and screw the rights of minorities?

What if the majority of Canadians decide they don't like Jews?
 

davesmom

Council Member
Oct 11, 2015
2,084
0
36
Southern Ontario
So. . . majority rule and screw the rights of minorities?

What if the majority of Canadians decide they don't like Jews?

That's just ridiculous! Jews don't demand special treatment or that we change our traditions/laws to accommodate them.
Canadians like anybody who is civilized and doesn't cause trouble all the time.
Why so friggin' worried about minority rights? What about majority rights? The 'old stock' Canadians (to use Harper's phrase) give in and give up continually while the newbies give up nothing. They just bring their old ways of life, traditions and prejudices with them and expect us to capitulate.
Canada didn't get to be a great place to live by immigrants all pulling in different directions. The original immigrants worked together to create a society that is good for the whole country. It is called UNITY! There isn't any unity when everyone lives by a different set of rules.
 

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
60,278
9,485
113
Washington DC
That's just ridiculous! Jews don't demand special treatment or that we change our traditions/laws to accommodate them.
Canadians like anybody who is civilized and doesn't cause trouble all the time.
Kinda like Real Americans. Which is pretty much why they hated troublemakers like Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez, Susan B. Anthony, &c.

Why so friggin' worried about minority rights? What about majority rights?
I firmly support the right of Old Stock Canadians to not wear niqab.

For that matter, I was unaware anybody was trying to force them to.

The 'old stock' Canadians (to use Harper's phrase) give in and give up continually while the newbies give up nothing. They just bring their old ways of life, traditions and prejudices with them and expect us to capitulate.
I understand it's a terrible strain to have to see people different from you. I think you should expel them all. And the Irish while you're at it.

Canada didn't get to be a great place to live by immigrants all pulling in different directions. The original immigrants worked together to create a society that is good for the whole country. It is called UNITY! There isn't any unity when everyone lives by a different set of rules.
I'm all in favor of mandatory unity. Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuehrer!
 

davesmom

Council Member
Oct 11, 2015
2,084
0
36
Southern Ontario
Kinda like Real Americans. Which is pretty much why they hated troublemakers like Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez, Susan B. Anthony, &c.


I firmly support the right of Old Stock Canadians to not wear niqab.

For that matter, I was unaware anybody was trying to force them to.


I understand it's a terrible strain to have to see people different from you. I think you should expel them all. And the Irish while you're at it.


I'm all in favor of mandatory unity. Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuehrer!

You like extremes, don't you? It is extremists who deal in absolutes who cause the problems in society. There is always a middle ground where ALL people could be considerate of others and their likes and wants. But it just doesn't work that way. It has to be all or nothing and the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

-Americans didn't ALL hate those people.
-All Canadians are asking is to show your face in matters of importance like citizenship ceremonies and ID photos. That shouldn't be too much to ask.
-Unity is what happens when ALL people consider the rights of others; not only going one way. There can never be unity when small groups of people demand their own way in all things and refuse to compromise .

If you think you are being witty with your sarcasm you are wrong. You are just being ridiculous!
 

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
60,278
9,485
113
Washington DC
You like extremes, don't you? It is extremists who deal in absolutes who cause the problems in society. There is always a middle ground where ALL people could be considerate of others and their likes and wants. But it just doesn't work that way. It has to be all or nothing and the squeaky wheel getting the grease.
Unless the likes and wants include something that Old Stock Canadians deem "unCanadian."

-Americans didn't ALL hate those people.
Real Americans did. "Real American," a term coined by Sarah Palin, is the equivalent of "Old Stock Canadian."

-All Canadians are asking is to show your face in matters of importance like citizenship ceremonies and ID photos. That shouldn't be too much to ask.
Really? Are you unaware of the whole "ban the niqab" movement? They ain't talking about just ceremonies and IDs.

I get that YOU may be only talking about ceremonies and IDs, but do you get that there's lots and lots who want to go waaaaay beyond that?

-Unity is what happens when ALL people consider the rights of others; not only going one way. There can never be unity when small groups of people demand their own way in all things and refuse to compromise .
You certainly don't seem to be considering the rights of those who fall outside "traditional Canadian values."

If you think you are being witty with your sarcasm you are wrong. You are just being ridiculous!
Just some historical examples of "unity" and "tradition."