The Gathering and the Judgment will be in the space

[eanassir]

So you think anyone here cares?As far as I can tell, people here already have their viewpoints and you are just another one. The difference being is that some people here don't follow religious dogma and so they question its validity. Those are the ones that think. Following requires only listening or reading and blindly accepting.

And you speak about "anyone" and you speak about "people here"; and you speak about "some people here"; speak only about yourself.

And you have to know well that a large number of people everywhere believe in God alone, and contrary to you they do not follow thier desires but they see with the light of God All-Knowing and Most Gracious; and cotrary to you they hope to be saved, while you are desperate of the next afterlife.

 

[L Gilbert]

And you speak about "anyone" and you speak about "people here"; and you speak about "some people here"; speak only about yourself.

When you preach only to yourself, I will. Until then I will type those words any time I choose.

And you have to know well that a large number of people everywhere believe in God alone, and contrary to you they do not follow thier desires but they see with the light of God All-Knowing and Most Gracious; and cotrary to you they hope to be saved, while you are despirate of the next afterlife.

Good for those people. They are just as deluded as you.
I have no idea what "despirate" means, but it doesn't matter as there is no "afterlife". After life comes death.

 

[eanassir]

When you preach only to yourself, I will. Until then I will type those words any time I choose.

Good for those people. They are just as deluded as you.
I have no idea what "despirate" means, but it doesn't matter as there is no "afterlife". After life comes death.

This is about yourself and your atheism and your blasphemy and your error.
But how can you speak in the name of others? ​

The correct word is "desperate": which means you have no hope in the afterlife reward and prosperity; the best wish is that you will be transformed into dust [which you will discover not correct.]​

As in the Quran 60: 13​

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَوَلَّوْا قَوْمًا غَضِبَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمْ قَدْ يَئِسُوا مِنَ الْآخِرَةِ كَمَا يَئِسَ الْكُفَّارُ مِنْ أَصْحَابِ الْقُبُورِ​

The explanation:
(O ye who have believed, take not for friends a people [: the associaters: the idolaters] against whom God is wrathful, ​

[a people] who have despaired of the [reward of the] afterlife [because they believe not in this afterlife],​

as the burying [men] despair [of the return] of those [buried] in the graves.)​

About this marvelous aya:
This aya and in particular the last line of it:
I remember when we buried my dead brother, and dust was heaped on his body, I noticed that I withdrew few steps to the back with sadness and grief, and I noiced also his father in law (as called in the West) did the same and withdrew back like what I did;​

and this aya came to my mind: when they heap the dust on the buried, all his relatives will dispair of any possibility that he may live and restore his life; as had many times occurred that one considered dead, he may regain his consciousness, but when he is buried, all of his family will dispair of that.​

And this is a parable: that the disbeliever is desperate of the aftelife reward and prosperity, like those who bury the dead, they will dispair then of any hope that he may live and open his eyes again in this material World, because they have already heaped the dust on his dead body.​

 

[eanassir]

Dex,
You blinded him with science!

This is part of his insisting like the insisting of the politician. :lol:

 

[eanassir]

What Is Doomsday ?

The Doomsday is the day in which:

The Sun will tear up to form → the new planets,
The planets (together with the Earth) will break up to form → the meteorites,
and the mountains will be smashed into → scattered dust.

It is the day in which all living creatures will die, so that none will survive on the surface of the Earth and the other planets.

It is the day in which the solar system, as a whole, will be broken up into pieces,

then souls [human spirits] will leave the Earth and scatter in the space, while nothing will remain on the destroyed Earth other than dead corpses.

On that day, the ‘gathering-together’, the Judgment, the recompense and the admission into Paradise or hell will be for all people.​

 

[eanassir]

Doomsday in the Gospel:​

It is mentioned in the Holy Gospel according to St. Matthew, chapter 24
“And immediately after the tribulation of those days:
>> the sun shall be darkened
>> and the moon shall not give her light
>> and the stars shall fall down from heaven
>> and the powers of heaven shall be moved.”​

The "stars" here means the comets, which will fall on the earth in large numbers when Doomsday is near at hand.​

The "powers of heaven" means the gravity will be weakened.​

Doomsday in the Quran
God -be exalted - said in the Quran, 69: 13-15​

فَإِذَا نُفِخَ فِي الصُّورِ نَفْخَةٌ وَاحِدَةٌ . وَحُمِلَت الأَرْضُ وَالْجِبَالُ فَدُكَّتَا دَكَّةً وَاحِدَةً . فَيَوْمَئِذٍ وَقَعَت الْوَاقِعَةُ​

The explanation:
(So, when the ‘Horn’ is blown with a single blast.
And the earth [together] with the mountains are borne, and crushed with a single crash.
On that day will the inevitable [event of Doomsday] occur.)

It means:
On that day, the Doomsday will take place; and on that day, it will be blown through the Horn with one blast; and on that day, the Earth and the mountains will be crushed and destroyed.

The "horn" is the cold crust that will form on the surface of the sun near to its Doomsday, and the gases will rush through a crack in this thin crust producing a very tremendous sound followed by the explosion of the sun itself into nineteen pieces or planets.

 

[YukonJack]

eanassir, you are already appear to be in space, I am glad you will be ther to welcome anyone who subscribe to your idiocy.

 

[eanassir]

eanassir, you are already appear to be in space, I am glad you will be ther to welcome anyone who subscribe to your idiocy.

YukonJack, if it is up to me, I may not welcome such genius as you and any wise man that are like you.

 

[YukonJack]

"YukonJack, if it is up to me, I may not welcome such genius as you and the wise men that are like yourself."

Luckily, it is up to the God you reject, in favour of the terrorist, bigamist and pedophile "prophet" you worship.

I pity you, in space or on land.

Certainly NOT in Heaven.

 

[eanassir]

"YukonJack, if it is up to me, I may not welcome such genius as you and the wise men that are like yourself."

Luckily, it is up to the God you reject, in favour of the terrorist, bigamist and pedophile "prophet" you worship.

I pity you, in space or on land.

Certainly NOT in Heaven.

I don't worship any prophet neither Mohammed nor Jesus. God alone is worthy of worshipping. And Mohammed was the noble and obedient servant of God.

So while you are Mohammed's enemy, we cannot take your words but as false and grievous calumny.

And certainly it is up to God to decide which is to be admitted to Paradise, therefore, let us be silent concerning this point, and we shall see who will be the winner.​

This is in the Quran 2: 111-112​

وَقَالُواْ لَن يَدْخُلَ الْجَنَّةَ إِلاَّ مَن كَانَ هُوداً أَوْ نَصَارَى تِلْكَ أَمَانِيُّهُمْ قُلْ هَاتُواْ بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ . بَلَى مَنْ أَسْلَمَ وَجْهَهُ لِلّهِ وَهُوَ مُحْسِنٌ فَلَهُ أَجْرُهُ عِندَ رَبِّهِ وَلاَ خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلاَ هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ​

The explanation:
(They say, 'None shall enter Paradise save such as are Jews or Christians; that is their own desires.

Say [O Mohammed] 'Bring your "Heavenly Books" , if you are speaking the truth.[to see do such Books confirm your claims?]'​

Not so, but whoso submits himself to his Lord, being charitable, he will have his reward from his Lord, and there shall be no fear for them neither shall they grieve.)​

 

[YukonJack]

Eanassir, present something comprrehensible, rather than some crix-crax garbage and I might give some credit to your arguments, so far proved to be worthless.

 

[eanassir]

Your reply includes the crix-crax garbage, but nothing comprehensible and argument other than mere words only, in addition to be far proved worthless, and you are not credit of anything.

 

[AnnaG]

This is about yourself and your atheism and your blasphemy and your error.
But how can you speak in the name of others?​

He wasn't speaking for others. Eventually you may learn the English language a little more so you can understand what was said. He was suggesting that people here already have their beliefs and don't need preaching from anyone.
​

The correct word is "desperate": which means you have no hope in the afterlife reward and prosperity; the best wish is that you will be transformed into dust [which you will discover not correct.]

Being returned to the earth that I came from sounds fine to me, too.
​

As in the Quran

60: 13

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَوَلَّوْا قَوْمًا غَضِبَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمْ قَدْ يَئِسُوا مِنَ الْآخِرَةِ كَمَا يَئِسَ الْكُفَّارُ مِنْ أَصْحَابِ الْقُبُورِ​

The explanation:
(O ye who have believed, take not for friends a people [: the associaters: the idolaters] against whom God is wrathful, ​

[a people] who have despaired of the [reward of the] afterlife [because they believe not in this afterlife],​

as the burying [men] despair [of the return] of those [buried] in the graves.)​

About this marvelous aya:
This aya and in particular the last line of it:
I remember when we buried my dead brother, and dust was heaped on his body, I noticed that I withdrew few steps to the back with sadness and grief, and I noiced also his father in law (as called in the West) did the same and withdrew back like what I did;​

and this aya came to my mind: when they heap the dust on the buried, all his relatives will dispair of any possibility that he may live and restore his life; as had many times occurred that one considered dead, he may regain his consciousness, but when he is buried, all of his family will dispair of that.​

And this is a parable: that the disbeliever is desperate of the aftelife reward and prosperity, like those who bury the dead, they will dispair then of any hope that he may live and open his eyes again in this material World, because they have already heaped the dust on his dead body.​

And the Anish says:

Algon was a great hunter who found a strange circle cut in the prairie grass. Hiding in the bushes nearby, he watched to see what might have caused it. Finally, a great willow basket descended from the sky bearing twelve beautiful maidens.
The maidens got out of the basket and began singing celestial songs and doing circle dances. All of the girls were beautiful, but the most beautiful of all was the youngest, with whom Algon was immediately smitten.
He ran toward the circle in the hope of stealing her away, but just as he arrived, the girls were alarmed and left in the basket, which flew high into the sky. This happened again three more times, but Algon's resolve only grew. Then he devised a strategy.
He placed a hollow tree trunk near the circle. Inside the tree trunk lived a family of mice. He took some charms out of his medicine bag and transformed himself into a mouse. When the girls in the basket next arrived, he and the other mice ran among the girls. The girls stomped on the mice killing all of them but Algon, who then resumed his human form and carried off his beloved.
He took her to his village and in time she fell in love with him. They had a son and the three lived very happily for a time. But as the years passed, the sky- girl grew very homesick. She spent the entire day gazing up at the sky, thinking of her sisters and parents. This homesickness continued until she could no longer bear it. So she built a magic willow basket, placed her son and some gifts for her people in it, climbed in, and headed for the sky. She remained there for years.
In her absence, Algon pined for his wife and son. Every day he went to sit in the magic circle, in the hope that they would return. He was now growing old.
Meanwhile, in the far-off sky-country, his son was growing into manhood. The lad asked questions about his father, which made the sky-girl miss Algon. She and her son spoke to her father, the chief of the sky-people. He told them to go back to the Earth, but ordered them to return with Algon and the identifying feature of each of the Earth animals.
Then the sky-girl and the son returned to Earth. Algon was overjoyed to see them and was eager to gather the gifts the sky-chief wanted. From the bear, he took a claw; from the eagle, hawk, and falcon, a feather; from the raccoon, its teeth; and from the deer, its horns and hide. He placed all of these gifts in a special medicine bag, and ascended with his wife and son to the sky- country in their willow basket. His father-in-law divided the tokens among his people, offering tokens to Algon and the sky-girl; and they chose the falcon feather. The chief said that they should always be free to travel between the sky-country and the Earth, and so Algon and his wife became falcons. Their descendants still fly high and swoop down over the forests and prairies.

 

[eanassir]

Some events of Doomsday:

God -be exalted - said in the Quran 81: 1-14​

إِذَا الشَّمْسُ كُوِّرَتْ . وَإِذَا النُّجُومُ انكَدَرَتْ . وَإِذَا الْجِبَالُ سُيِّرَتْ ...الخ​

The explanation:
(1. When the sun shall be ‘divided into many spheres.’

2. And when the stars shall be dim [to the sight.]

3. And when the [space-] mountains [:the meteorites] shall be moved [towards the sun.]

4. And when the friendship [among disbelievers] shall be broken.

5. And when savage beasts be gathered together.

6. And when seas shall be 'seared and baked' [by the sun heat.]

7. And when souls shall be joined in company [with their like: the righteous with the angels, and the unbelievers with the devils.]

8. And when the female baby that was buried alive, shall be asked [by the angels]:
9. For what crime she was slain.

10. And when the Scriptures shall be opened [before the prophets to judge their peoples accordingly.]

11. And when the sky shall be stripped [from the earth.]

12. And when Hell shall be kindled furthermore.

13. And when Paradise shall be brought near [to those who see it.]

14. [Then] shall [every] soul know what [good and evil work] it has put forward.)


The implication:
When such events as: the breaking of the sun into many spheres,

the falling down of the comets, or the disappearance of the planets from sight because of the thick smoke and fog in the atmosphere,

and the moving of the mountains...etc;

It is at that time, that Doomsday will have occurred.

The reason for revealing these ayat of the Quran:

That is because the tribe of Prophet Mohammed asked him: When will this Doomsday be?

Therefore, these ayat were revealed which mean: When such events take place, then that day will be the Doomsday.​

 

[eanassir]

He wasn't speaking for others. Eventually you may learn the English language a little more so you can understand what was said. He was suggesting that people here already have their beliefs and don't need preaching from anyone.
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Anyone is not obliged to accept or refuse anything.

 

[AnnaG]

That's why I like Anishinaabe stories better; they are always full of life. Christians and Muslims are always full of death and doomsdays and negative stuff.

 

[AnnaG]

Anyone is not obliged to accept or refuse anything.

Yeah. So?

 

[Cliffy]

eanassir,

You are really thick aren't you. You offer us the beliefs of your people and expect us to read and take them seriously but you ignore the teachings that Anna offers you of her people. In order to understand people and to have them understand you there needs to be an exchange of ideas. Just because you believe in the Quran does not mean that everybody else has to. Every culture has their belief systems an in order for there to be peace on Earth, we need to understand that people who believe different points of view are also the children of god and their beliefs are just as valid as your own.

To think that your belief is the only true belief and that all others are wrong is where war originates. You don't have to change your beliefs but to accept that others have the same right to believe as they do as you have to believe as you do. Just because someone imagines god/creator/atman to be different than you does not mean that they believe in a different creator. The creator is beyond our finite minds to comprehend. Just because someone imagines it differently does not automatically make it invalid. Even non belief is valid according to the understanding of each individual.

Your continued insistence in posting your belief while ignoring the beliefs of others is not an endearing quality and will continue to illicit scorn from others because you are scorning their beliefs. The aboriginal peoples fro all over the planet had their way of relating to their creator that is just as valid as yours. Because you don't understand it does not invalidate them, it just shows your ignorance because you don't even try to understand.

 

[eanassir]

eanassir,

You are really thick aren't you. You offer us the beliefs of your people and expect us to read and take them seriously but you ignore the teachings that Anna offers you of her people. In order to understand people and to have them understand you there needs to be an exchange of ideas. Just because you believe in the Quran does not mean that everybody else has to. Every culture has their belief systems an in order for there to be peace on Earth, we need to understand that people who believe different points of view are also the children of god and their beliefs are just as valid as your own.

To think that your belief is the only true belief and that all others are wrong is where war originates. You don't have to change your beliefs but to accept that others have the same right to believe as they do as you have to believe as you do. Just because someone imagines god/creator/atman to be different than you does not mean that they believe in a different creator. The creator is beyond our finite minds to comprehend. Just because someone imagines it differently does not automatically make it invalid. Even non belief is valid according to the understanding of each individual.

Your continued insistence in posting your belief while ignoring the beliefs of others is not an endearing quality and will continue to illicit scorn from others because you are scorning their beliefs. The aboriginal peoples fro all over the planet had their way of relating to their creator that is just as valid as yours. Because you don't understand it does not invalidate them, it just shows your ignorance because you don't even try to understand.

Cliffy, I always knew that you are thick; and now your cunning is very obvious.

I said that I only display the idea and I do not impose any idea on anyone.

Of course, I believe:
>> in God the Creator: the Lord of the heavens and the earth: as One God without associate;
>> and I believe in all the apostles of God including Moses, Jesus and Mohammed;
>> and in all the Heavenly Books that God revealed including the Torah of Moses, the Gospel of Jesus and the Quran of Mohammed.
>> And I believe in the next afterlife: the world of spirits and souls.

But of course, I don't believe in the polytheism and idolatry, as do I reject the association of any being with God in the worship and servitude.

And this is in the Quran 109

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم . قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الْكَافِرُونَ . لَا أَعْبُدُ مَا تَعْبُدُونَ . وَلَا أَنتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ . وَلَا أَنَا عَابِدٌ مَّا عَبَدتُّمْ . وَلَا أَنتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ .لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ​

The explanation:​

( In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.​

[O Mohammed] say: "O disbelievers!"​

I will never worship [the idols] that you worship [together with God.]​

Nor are you worshipping as do I worship.​

Nor do I worship as do you worship.​

Nor are you going to worship like that I worship.​

For you, is [the punishment of] your religion, ​

and for me is [the reward of] my religion.)​

 

[petros]

Gathering of what? All the souls from grave that are already supposed to be in heaven? Boy this **** is confusing.