The Future of mankind on Earth

[eanassir]

1000 years? Pretty sure I will be dead by then so who cares?

Death is only the separation of the spiritual soul from the material body; the body will disintegrate, while the soul continues to live in the afterlife or spiritual world.
What is death?

Therefore, when people die, they in fact will live in soul not in body; the soul is the true man which hears, sees, and perceives the pain and pleasure.

At that time, when the Earth stops its axial rotation after about 1000 years from now or exactly from the time when Venus stopped its axial rotation; at that time, all angels and righteous souls will leave the Earth (because the punishment will have settled on it), and those who will only remain are disbelievers and associaters (idolaters) and devils.
The standstill of the earth

So it is better for every wise man to leave the material world and go to the neighborhood of his Lord: God Most Merciful in the paradise.

"But better than all that, is to escape from the earth, and ascend to heaven, to the Paradises, and get rid of the matter and become in the neighborhood of your Lord;

for God - be exalted - said in the Quran 51: 50​

فَفِرُّوا إلَى اللهِ ، إنِّي لَكُمْ مِنْهُ نَذِيرٌ مُبِينٌ ​

The explanation:
( Therefore, flee to God; for surely I am a plain warner to you from Him.)​

It means: Get rid of the matter; that is by your righteous deeds and piety; so that you will go to the ethereal paradises in the neighborhood of you Lord."​

The soul after death

Are you nuts? It is what you said, dildo.

I shall not reply to you anymore; because at least you are rancorous.

Because, as AnnaG so eloquently and assertively described it, it sounds like possession by and servitude to men.

Ha!?, you too are so eloquent. :lol:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Perhaps God and conscience are one and the same?

Doesn't seem likely to me. That idea pretty much trivializes the conventional monotheistic view of the deity (which I think is incoherent BS anyway, but never mind), and also trivializes the human capacity to create our own values and ethics based on our common needs and interests as social animals. Our morality comes from us, not any agent outside us.

 

[eanassir]

Our morality comes from us, not any agent outside us.

What a scientific error! Obviously.

 

[talloola]

Doesn't seem likely to me. That idea pretty much trivializes the conventional monotheistic view of the deity (which I think is incoherent BS anyway, but never mind), and also trivializes the human capacity to create our own values and ethics based on our common needs and interests as social animals. Our morality comes from us, not any agent outside us.

I love the truth and common sense in your statement dex. as I have the same confidence in 'us', and also
see how man can create everything he needs for himself, (and some), just as all living species on
this earth do for themselves, and why would we ever need to go 'outside' to seek guidance from some
invisible source, which is imaginary, when we have everything we need 'between our ears'.

But as I said before, those imaginary things are fun when one is at the movies, if one enjoys those
types of movies.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

What a scientific error! Obviously.

The way you phrased that suggests you think what I said is obviously true, but that can't be right because you've called it an error, so I presume you must mean it's obviously a scientific error. It's not obvious to me that it's either scientific or an error; it IS true that we create our own morality. If you doubt that, look at all the prescriptions for correct behaviour in the Bible and the Quran. No individual or society implements all or even most of them, and many of them in fact would be illegal in most societies. Even when we have those supposedly divinely inspired books to guide us, we cherry pick from them what we consider to be right and proper, and always have, based on other considerations, driven primarily by our need to get along with each other in groups. That's where our morality comes from, our common needs and interests as social creatures. You don't need god to be moral, religious codifications of morality are simply post facto canonizations of pre-existing rules, religion didn't invent them.

 

[lone wolf]

If God is my conscience and my conscience is God, then really, what's it matter at all 'cuz I can't be you and you can't be me or ... I could be my own Grampaw (Okay, so I swiped that part...)

 

[Dexter Sinister]

If God is my conscience and my conscience is God

Then your concepts of both god and conscience aren't anything like what most people use the words to mean.

 

[lone wolf]

Then your concepts of both god and conscience aren't anything like what most people use the words to mean.

I kind of like to think of them like Jimini Cricket (with a few Hendrix licks thrown in for good measure ;-))

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I kind of like to think of them like Jimini Cricket (with a few Hendrix licks thrown in for good measure ;-))

Yeah, that sappy little do-gooder would be much improved by a few Hendrix licks, and a shot of good single malt.

 

[eanassir]

The way you phrased that suggests you think what I said is obviously true, but that can't be right because you've called it an error, so I presume you must mean it's obviously a scientific error. It's not obvious to me that it's either scientific or an error

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This is only composition and manipulation of words: the meaning of what I said is clear. ​

it IS true that we create our own morality. If you doubt that, look at all the prescriptions for correct behaviour in the Bible and the Quran.

The similarity between the Bible and the Quran concerning the morality indicates their common origin as revelation from God Most Gracious. God is the same One That revealed both of the Bible and the Quran.​

No individual or society implements all or even most of them, and many of them in fact would be illegal in most societies.

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And what is the fault in this? There is an example that man should follow to reach to his spiritual high level. The model is the apostle Mohammed, and Prophet Abraham and those believers with him. ​

Even when we have those supposedly divinely inspired books to guide us, we cherry pick from them what we consider to be right and proper, and always have, based on other considerations, driven primarily by our need to get along with each other in groups.

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People differ in their spiritual ranks according to the degree of their belief and their practicing such belief. ​

This is in the Quran 49: 14​

قَالَتِ الْأَعْرَابُ آمَنَّا قُل لَّمْ تُؤْمِنُوا وَلَكِن قُولُوا أَسْلَمْنَا وَلَمَّا يَدْخُلِ الْإِيمَانُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ وَإِن تُطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَا يَلِتْكُم مِّنْ أَعْمَالِكُمْ شَيْئًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ ..الخ​

The explanation:
(The Bedouin Arab [of the Banu Asad tribe] say, 'We believe.'
Say [Mohammed to them]: `You have not truly believed yet, but rather say, `We have submitted [to your religion], for the [true] belief has not entered your hearts yet.
If you obey God and His apostle, He will not diminish you anything of your deeds. God is Most forgiving, Most Merciful.'

The [true] believers are only those who have believed in God and His messenger, and have never since doubted [following their belief], and [then] have striven with their wealth and their persons for the cause of God; such are the truthful [and sincere believers.]​

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Even the apostles and prophets have varying degrees according to their striving and their level of their belief.​

This is in the Quran 2: 253​

تِلْكَ الرُّسُلُ فَضَّلْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ مِّنْهُم مَّن كَلَّمَ اللّهُ وَرَفَعَ بَعْضَهُمْ دَرَجَاتٍ وَآتَيْنَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ الْبَيِّنَاتِ وَأَيَّدْنَاهُ بِرُوحِ الْقُدُسِ​

The explanation:
(These [tales of the] apostles [: messengers, We relate to you; of whom] did We prefer some above others [by specifying him with special criteria.]

Among them was [Moses] to whom God spoke [in the valley of Sinai],
and another one [: Idries: Elia] We raised [to certain high] degrees [of honor],
and We gave to Jesus, the son of Mary, the manifest [miraculous] signs and We aided him by [Gabriel:] the Holy Spirit.)​

That's where our morality comes from, our common needs and interests as social creatures.

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Actually God commanded every good morale and forbade every indecency and fornication.
In the Quran it is called enjoining المعروف "what is known to be good", and forbidding المنكر "what is known to be bad and evil". ​

You don't need god to be moral, religious codifications of morality are simply post facto canonizations of pre-existing rules, religion didn't invent them.

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Actually we need God, but this is out of the pride over God Almighty. Actually you don't know; you only assert this "canonizations of pre-existing rules"​

The favor of God on people is so obvious, because He sent them a large number of apostles to instruct and acquaint them to be believers and respect each other and do not transgress on the rights of each other; or else if they wrong themselves and others, He misguides them and punishes them.​

See this aya of the Quran 3: 164​

لَقَدْ مَنَّ اللّهُ عَلَى الْمُؤمِنِينَ إِذْ بَعَثَ فِيهِمْ رَسُولاً مِّنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَإِن كَانُواْ مِن قَبْلُ لَفِي ضَلالٍ مُّبِينٍ​

The explanation:
(Surely God has been Gracious to the believers by sending them a messenger [: Mohammed], out of themselves [who speaks their language and is one of their own tribe]​

>> to rehearse to them His revelations [of the Quran],
>> and to purify them [of the association and idolatry],
>> and teach them [by the Quran, the statements and stories included in] the [past Heavenly] Scripture and the admonition; ​

although before the [Quran] they were in manifest error [because they were serving the idols.])​

www.quran-ayat.com​

 

[AnnaG]

Death is only the separation of the spiritual soul from the material body; the body will disintegrate, while the soul continues to live in the afterlife or spiritual world.

Opinion.

Therefore, when people die, they in fact will live in soul not in body; the soul is the true man which hears, sees, and perceives the pain and pleasure.

That is not fact. That is opinion.

At that time, when the Earth stops its axial rotation after about 1000 years from now or exactly from the time when Venus stopped its axial rotation; at that time, all angels and righteous souls will leave the Earth (because the punishment will have settled on it), and those who will only remain are disbelievers and associaters (idolaters) and devils.

More opinion. And it is an extremely ignorant opinion, at that.

So it is better for every wise man to leave the material world and go to the neighborhood of his Lord: God Most Merciful in the paradise.

That has nothing to do with wisdom and a lot to do with faith, which is simply the hope that whatever one believes is true regardless of reality.

"But better than all that, is to escape from the earth, and ascend to heaven, to the Paradises, and get rid of the matter and become in the neighborhood of your Lord;

for God - be exalted - said in the Quran 51: 50​

فَفِرُّوا إلَى اللهِ ، إنِّي لَكُمْ مِنْهُ نَذِيرٌ مُبِينٌ ​

The explanation:
( Therefore, flee to God; for surely I am a plain warner to you from Him.)​

It means: Get rid of the matter; that is by your righteous deeds and piety; so that you will go to the ethereal paradises in the neighborhood of you Lord."​

The soul after death

Yet, no-one is perfect, so no-one's getting to the paradise.

Doesn't seem likely to me. That idea pretty much trivializes the conventional monotheistic view of the deity (which I think is incoherent BS anyway, but never mind), and also trivializes the human capacity to create our own values and ethics based on our common needs and interests as social animals. Our morality comes from us, not any agent outside us.

People need scapegoats for when they refuse to fess up that they failed following their principles or were too lazy to develop decent ones in the first place. People are human; we're all disasters. lol

What a scientific error! Obviously.

Obviously, this is only your opinion.

You don't need god to be moral, religious codifications of morality are simply post facto canonizations of pre-existing rules, religion didn't invent them.

Exactly. The only other "morals" gained from religious texts are those pertaining to the worship of beings that may only possibly exist.

This is only composition and manipulation of words:​

... and the result of reason.

the meaning of what I said is clear.

Clearly opinion, you mean.
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The similarity between the Bible and the Quran concerning the morality indicates their common origin as revelation from God Most Gracious. God is the same One That revealed both of the Bible and the Quran.

Excuse me? One condemns killing. The other condones it in certain instances.
Besides that, the idea that killing was mostly an undesirable activity came waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the Quran or the Bible. Your logic is nonexistent. You have the ability to reason, I think, but cannot use it.

And what is the fault in this? There is an example that man should follow to reach to his spiritual high level. The model is the apostle Mohammed, and Prophet Abraham and those believers with him.

And yet as hard as humans try, they cannot achieve this idiotic idea of perfection. So it's a project designed to fail. A folly.
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People differ in their spiritual ranks according to the degree of their belief and their practicing such belief.

This is in the Quran 49: 14​

قَالَتِ الْأَعْرَابُ آمَنَّا قُل لَّمْ تُؤْمِنُوا وَلَكِن قُولُوا أَسْلَمْنَا وَلَمَّا يَدْخُلِ الْإِيمَانُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ وَإِن تُطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَا يَلِتْكُم مِّنْ أَعْمَالِكُمْ شَيْئًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ ..الخ​

The explanation:
(The Bedouin Arab [of the Banu Asad tribe] say, 'We believe.'
Say [Mohammed to them]: `You have not truly believed yet, but rather say, `We have submitted [to your religion], for the [true] belief has not entered your hearts yet.
If you obey God and His apostle, He will not diminish you anything of your deeds. God is Most forgiving, Most Merciful.'

The [true] believers are only those who have believed in God and His messenger, and have never since doubted [following their belief], and [then] have striven with their wealth and their persons for the cause of God; such are the truthful [and sincere believers.]​

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Even the apostles and prophets have varying degrees according to their striving and their level of their belief.​

This is in the Quran 2: 253​

تِلْكَ الرُّسُلُ فَضَّلْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ مِّنْهُم مَّن كَلَّمَ اللّهُ وَرَفَعَ بَعْضَهُمْ دَرَجَاتٍ وَآتَيْنَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ الْبَيِّنَاتِ وَأَيَّدْنَاهُ بِرُوحِ الْقُدُسِ​

The explanation:
(These [tales of the] apostles [: messengers, We relate to you; of whom] did We prefer some above others [by specifying him with special criteria.]

Among them was [Moses] to whom God spoke [in the valley of Sinai],
and another one [: Idries: Elia] We raised [to certain high] degrees [of honor],
and We gave to Jesus, the son of Mary, the manifest [miraculous] signs and We aided him by [Gabriel:] the Holy Spirit.)​

So?
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Actually God commanded every good morale and forbade every indecency and fornication.

In the Quran it is called enjoining المعروف "what is known to be good", and forbidding المنكر "what is known to be bad and evil". ​

Long after people sorted it out for themselves. So?​

Actually we need God, but this is out of the pride over God Almighty. Actually you don't know; you only assert this "canonizations of pre-existing rules"

Wrong. It is well-known and you'd know that if you read history books, philosophy books, etc. rather than just the Quran.

The favor of God on people is so obvious, because He sent them a large number of apostles to instruct and acquaint them to be believers and respect each other and do not transgress on the rights of each other; or else if they wrong themselves and others, He misguides them and punishes them.

Not one of us is pure or perfect so humans are limited to wronging others and themselves regardless.
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[ShintoMale]

The Future of mankind on Earth



This will take place about less than 1000 years from now, when the Earth will stop its axial rotation.​

At that time, the most evil people will be living: wrong-doers, atheists, idolaters, associaters and the profligate.

Prophet Mohammed said: "The hour of Doom will not come but only on the most evil of created beings."

It means that generation will be the worst among all generations.

The situation will be like the situation now on Planet Venus.​

The overwhelming sky​

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God – be glorified - said in the Quran 88: 1-7​

هَلْ أَتَاكَ حَدِيثُ الْغَاشِيَةِ . وُجُوهٌ يَوْمَئِذٍ خَاشِعَةٌ . عَامِلَةٌ نَّاصِبَةٌ . تَصْلَى نَارًا حَامِيَةً . تُسْقَى مِنْ عَيْنٍ آنِيَةٍ . لَّيْسَ لَهُمْ طَعَامٌ إِلَّا مِن ضَرِيعٍ . لَا يُسْمِنُ وَلَا يُغْنِي مِن جُوعٍ​

The explanation:
1- Have [you, Mohammed, understood] the tidings of the overwhelming [sky, when it had been] conveyed to you [in a previous revelation 44: 10-11]?​

2-On that day, [many] faces will be humble.​

3- Toiling and laboring hard [in the life of the World: not for God, but for those other than God.]​

4- Scorched by a very hot fire [in the afterlife.]​

5- Shall be given to drink from a very hot [and temporary water-] fountain.​

6- They will have [in the world of souls, after their death] no food save from [some kind of] thorn.​

7- That will not satiate nor release from hunger.)​

The interpretation:
>> (Have [you, Mohammed, understood] the tidings of the overwhelming [sky]?) ​

The meaning of the ‘overwhelming’ is that which will overwhelm, envelope or cover people by its evil; and it is the gaseous layers that will mix with each other to become a thick smoke (like what is now on planet Venus): consisting of seven gases and causing suffocation.​

>> (On that day, [many] faces will be humble.)
They are the associaters [i.e. those who ascribe other gods or rivals with God], and the criminals or sinners who will stay on the earth after it will stop its axial rotation.​

[Because the righteous people devoted to God alone will leave the earth together with the angels, and go to the Paradise of Abode and none will remain on earth but only the disbelievers and associaters who will suffer.]​

>> (Toiling and laboring hard [in the life of the World: not for God, but for those other than Him.] )
They will toil with digging the underground tunnels to protect them from the burning heat of the sun, and with digging the wells to drink from their water.​

>> (Scorched [in the afterlife] by a very hot fire),
which is the heat of the sun that will increase on the day-side.​

>> (Shall be given to drink from a very hot [and temporary water-]fountain.)
It means: They will drink water from a very hot spring for a period of time, then its water will finish, so that they will turn to wells for drinking water, because the water of rivers and seas will evaporate by the sun heat, until no water will remain for them to drink, even the bitter and salt water of wells. [This is the meaning of the word in Arabic. It means: a very hot and temporary water spring.]​

>> (That [: that kind of thorn] will not satiate nor release from hunger.)​

The plant will burn and rivers will dry up​

if non-religious types are evil NAME ONE moral or ethical statement that religious types like you CAN DO that non-religious like athiests CANNOT DO?

 

[AnnaG]

if non-religious types are evil NAME ONE moral or ethical statement that religious types like you CAN DO that non-religious like athiests CANNOT DO?

lol.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

This is only composition and manipulation of words: the meaning of what I said is clear.

Maybe to you. It wasn't to me, so I indicated what I thought you meant. You've neither confirmed nor denied it, merely reiterated it and clarified nothing.

The similarity between the Bible and the Quran concerning the morality indicates their common origin as revelation from God Most Gracious.

It does indicate a common origin alright, but it doesn't demonstrate that they're divine revelations. The core of it you can find all the way back in the Hammurabic code almost 4000 years ago, long before Yahweh or Allah gained any ascendancy. The Old Testament writers got a lot of their material from the Babylonians and Sumerians, and a lot of it appears again in the Quran. God had nothing to do with it. He couldn't, because he doesn't exist.

 

[eanassir]

It does indicate a common origin alright, but it doesn't demonstrate that they're divine revelations.

God revealed the Torah and the Quran in different periods of time; and for this reason the commandments in general are the same, pariticularly the First Commandment concerning the worshipping of God alone without associate.

Moreover, the Torah was in Hebrew and it was not translated to Arabic until the recent time. In addition, Mohammed did not know Hebrew; he didnot know even the reading and writing Arabic.

The core of it you can find all the way back in the Hammurabic code almost 4000 years ago, long before Yahweh or Allah gained any ascendancy.

Such codes if having any similarity, it is because ancient prophets like Noah and those before him that only God knows about.

The Old Testament writers got a lot of their material from the Babylonians and Sumerians, and a lot of it appears again in the Quran.

This is what you always claim; and I told you there were a large number of apostles to the ancient peoples, and God Most Gracious sent His apostles to all nations.

God had nothing to do with it. He couldn't, because he doesn't exist.

This is only what you claim and assert, and I tell you: God is He That revealed all the Torah, the Gospel and the Quran for the guiding of the humanity.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

This is only what you claim and assert, and I tell you: God is He That revealed all the Torah, the Gospel and the Quran for the guiding of the humanity.

Yes, that is what I claim and assert, and I believe it to be a true statement, and I believe it's provably true, based on about 30 years of careful reading and analysis and thinking. On scientific, philosophical, and theological grounds, none of the claims of deism in any form survive such an inspection, they are simply false, and demonstrably so.

 

[AnnaG]

God revealed the Torah and the Quran in different periods of time; and for this reason the commandments in general are the same, pariticularly the First Commandment concerning the worshipping of God alone without associate.

Why would such a god need to worry about others if it was the most powerful?

Moreover, the Torah was in Hebrew and it was not translated to Arabic until the recent time. In addition, Mohammed did not know Hebrew; he didnot know even the reading and writing Arabic.

So what language did he write the Quran in if it wasn't Arabic? Klingon?

Such codes if having any similarity, it is because ancient prophets like Noah and those before him that only God knows about.

Sorry, even the tales of people living very long lifespans don't reach back 4000 years. Methuselah was only 969 years old.

This is what you always claim; and I told you there were a large number of apostles to the ancient peoples, and God Most Gracious sent His apostles to all nations.

Well there were a whole lot of those disciples that didn't do their jobs then because some people weren't told about Allah until the 19th century and not everyone is convinced about this god in the first place. So if the god is all powerful, all wise, etc. it is also an abject failure as a propagandist and as a leader.

This is only what you claim and assert, and I tell you: God is He That revealed all the Torah, the Gospel and the Quran for the guiding of the humanity.

Yeah. Like I said, the god failed.

 

[Kathie Bondar]

Gee, and I thought I had enough problems, so now I have to worry about this! Life can be such a hassle. Good to you on your survival of this greates of all calamities. Or maybe by the time comes we may have discovered a way to spin the earth.

 

[eanassir]

Yes, that is what I claim and assert, and I believe it to be a true statement, and I believe it's provably true,
based on about 30 years of careful reading and analysis and thinking.
On scientific, philosophical, and theological grounds, none of the claims of deism in any form survive such an inspection, they are simply false, and demonstrably so.

This is not the correct way of thinking and arguing.
First you assert something and say like some people: this is my faith.
Second: you say 30 years of reading and thinking ... you are wrong from the first step of the problem so all your deduction is wrong and went in the wrong direction.
And again you returned to your assertions.

God is the truth, and the atheism is the falsehood whatever you assert or say you cannot change the truth. God is the Creator, and your claim of the biological evolution is wrong which you will admit later on may be when time is over.

 

[JLM]

This is not the correct way of thinking and arguing.
First you assert something and say like some people: this is my faith.
Second: you say 30 years of reading and thinking ... you are wrong from the first step of the problem so all your deduction is wrong and went in the wrong direction.
And again you returned to your assertions.

God is the truth, and the atheism is the falsehood whatever you assert or say you cannot change the truth. God is the Creator, and your claim of the biological evolution is wrong which you will admit later on may be when time is over.

From glancing at your numerous posts, it's people like you who give religion a bad name. You're just one of a million religious zealots whose obnoxiousness and arrogance is as obvious as the nose on your face. Just the fact you continue to argue with a learned man like Dex just proves how shallow and immature you are. Grow up. :lol::lol::lol::lol: