The fear of the Lord is the beginning of the wisdom

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Let's give the Bible the benefit of the doubt and there is an intentional trend in the OT prophecy to cover 2 Babylon's while masking the fact that the last Babylon is Satan's kingdom on earth during the last 3 1/2 years before Babylon was destroyed. The only way to tell them apart id Neb's Babylon was ended and it will never be reborn. Neb died of old age and the verse below shows he was right with God before he died. Daniel was also in Neb's Babylon so it was not 'void of God' until long after Neb's death.

Da:4:37:
Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven,
all whose works are truth,
and his ways judgment:
and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

What will never be 'reborn' of that Babylon is that God will actively be helping or guiding any Gentile Nation until Christ is acting as their single king. Neb was a king of kings who was given dominion over fowl and beast and that authority did not get passed on but that is a trait of the King of Kings that is Christ and He also has authority over fowl and beast.
The verse below is mentioning Satan's Babylon so all terms in OT prophecy that uses the term 'day of the lord' is also referencing only Satan's Babylon and that trait is quite consistent in the OT. The utterly destroyed Babylon is not Neb's as Neb is even called a servant of God.

Jer:46:8-12:
Egypt riseth up like a flood,
and his waters are moved like the rivers;
and he saith,
I will go up,
and will cover the earth;
I will destroy the city and the inhabitants thereof.
Come up,
ye horses;
and rage,
ye chariots;
and let the mighty men come forth;
the Ethiopians and the Libyans,
that handle the shield;
and the Lydians,
that handle and bend the bow.
For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts,
a day of vengeance,
that he may avenge him of his adversaries:
and the sword shall devour,
and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood:
for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.
Go up into Gilead,
and take balm,
O virgin,
the daughter of Egypt:
in vain shalt thou use many medicines;
for thou shalt not be cured.
The nations have heard of thy shame,
and thy cry hath filled the land:
for the mighty man hath stumbled against the mighty,
and they are fallen both together.


The Egypt in the verses are the ones that will be at armageddon.

Jer:25:15-19:
For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me;
Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand,
and cause all the nations,
to whom I send thee,
to drink it.
And they shall drink,
and be moved,
and be mad,
because of the sword that I will send among them.
Then took I the cup at the LORD's hand,
and made all the nations to drink,
unto whom the LORD had sent me:
To wit,
Jerusalem,
and the cities of Judah,
and the kings thereof,
and the princes thereof,
to make them a desolation,
an astonishment,
an hissing,
and a curse;
as it is this day;

Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:

and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
Pharaoh king of Egypt,
and his servants,
and his princes,
and all his people;

Jer:25:31-33:
A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth;
for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations,
he will plead with all flesh;
he will give them that are wicked to the sword,
saith the LORD.
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
Behold,
evil shall go forth from nation to nation,
and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.

Da:11:42-43:
He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries:
and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver,
and over all the precious things of Egypt:
and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

The language might be 'fanciful but Satan's Babylon is just as real as Neb's was. This time Babylon get control of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days.

The whole OT does a wonderful job of giving all the fine details but it is a bit lacking on a timeline and that is for a reason such as this post covers. That applies to all of Isa:65, for those that are interested in longer passages than a verse singled out.

damngrumpy;1958585[B said:
]Little rational here[/B], be in fear of God why?
That was short.

I bet those enslaved Hebrews never thought they'd were making a No. 1 disco hit when they penned that tune some 25-odd centuries ago.
I didn't realize that '16 tons of number 9 coal' was a Hebrew work song. I though they were more into white collar 'work'.
 

BruSan

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So, if I've got this right, I need to fear a thing that no one has yet managed to prove the existence of, that is only referred to by other men, whose writings were not dictated by himself but merely put together by mere men and who appears to many different peoples in many different incarnations called by many different names resulting in many NEVERENDING conflicts.


Naah; I think I'll just treat my fellow man as I would have him treat me and not give a flying fig if he has a god or a goiter. However; having said that, if any person requires or entreats me to believe in his God to attain some sort of acceptance in his eyes; all bets are off!


In short go peddle your godspeak on a streecorner like any other con man trying to sell something nobody actually needs.
 

Twila

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So, if I've got this right, I need to fear a thing that no one has yet managed to prove the existence of, that is only referred to by other men, whose writings were not dictated by himself but merely put together by mere men and who appears to many different peoples in many different incarnations called by many different names resulting in many NEVERENDING conflicts.


Naah; I think I'll just treat my fellow man as I would have him treat me and not give a flying fig if he has a god or a goiter. However; having said that, if any person requires or entreats me to believe in his God to attain some sort of acceptance in his eyes; all bets are off!


In short go peddle your godspeak on a streecorner like any other con man trying to sell something nobody actually needs.

BruSan, have you checked your toast lately? I hear he likes to appear on toast...
 

talloola

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one can feel good when one has overcome one of their fears in life, then move on to face another,
'if one wishes'.

there are many, eg. sky diving, etc.

if one wishes so hard to be able to sky dive, then finally 'does it', even while fearful, that
is a huge victory in that person's life.

if one has no direction in life, is just tredding water, but afraid and unable to find a good
path to follow, there are many avenue's to try, but don't go down an avenue that is frightening,
or fearful, an avenue that gives ultimatums, eg. if you don't do what i say, you will go to hell,
find one that is calm and peaceful, and helps one to find peace in life, an avenue that allows
one to slowly find their way without having to be fearful, those fear mongering threats are just
made up by man, even though they say, it is what god wants you to do.
there are many wonderful people here on this earth who can help and support those who need to find
a life that is happy.

wiseness comes with experience in life, successes and progress in different areas, mistakes that
help us all learn, we humans have the knowledge to become very wise as we go thru life, learning
from each other, and each other's mistakes as well. our children help us toward wiseness As we
help and support them as they grow up and take on adulthood, and as we grow older, our wiseness
opens our eyes to what is really important, as well as trivial in life.
 

Walter

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Concerning fear:

"The word translated "fear" in many versions of the Bible comes from the Hebrew word yirah which has a range of meaning in the Scriptures. Sometimes it refers to the fear we feel in anticipation of some danger or pain, but it can also mean 'awe' or 'reverence' ... Those who understand the mission of Yeshua (Jesus) understand yirah in the highest sense of reverence and awe."
Parashat Eikev - The Fear of the LORD
Like I said in post #11.
 

SLM

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Concerning fear:

"The word translated "fear" in many versions of the Bible comes from the Hebrew word yirah which has a range of meaning in the Scriptures. Sometimes it refers to the fear we feel in anticipation of some danger or pain, but it can also mean 'awe' or 'reverence' ... Those who understand the mission of Yeshua (Jesus) understand yirah in the highest sense of reverence and awe."
Parashat Eikev - The Fear of the LORD

The word it is translated from may have different connotations in Hebrew, but in English the proper way to express the highest sense of reverence and awe is by using the words "reverence and awe".

"Reverence and awe of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom...."

"Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom...."

Two very different implications, two very different meanings from my point of view. Clarity is important in communicating an idea. Reverence and awe is inspiring, fear is oppressive. So which idea was being conveyed?
 

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Greetings to all,

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of the wisdom. Always serve the Lord with fear and rejoice him with trembling.

Today I in Lord Jesus Christ want to exhort you all, that you take this wisdom, and become wise at it, because without that wisdom, we do not have wisdom at all ourselves, but carelessness.

So walk always this great wisdom in your heart, so that you do not get lost from him which is the Life.

Exhort from

Mikko Ainasoja

Lord Jesus Christ and God's servant

This writing is a edited copy, for all peoples
Where did Jesus teach fear?
 

Motar

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The word it is translated from may have different connotations in Hebrew, but in English the proper way to express the highest sense of reverence and awe is by using the words "reverence and awe". "Reverence and awe of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom...." "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom...." Two very different implications, two very different meanings from my point of view. Clarity is important in communicating an idea. Reverence and awe is inspiring, fear is oppressive. So which idea was being conveyed?

Which idea resonates with you, SLM?
 
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SLM

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Which idea resonates with you, SLM?

I already stated that. Reverence and awe are inspiring, fear is oppressive. The first is welcoming, the second is not. But I did not make the initial statement.

A spiritual journey, while absolutely different for everyone, should be about moving forward, learning, growing, developing. Enlightenment. The notion of a journey suggests just that. The innate response of a human being to fear is fight or flight, neither response promotes an idea of a journey towards any kind of enlightenment.

Stating that fear is the first step leads me to question the entire path.
 

Motar

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I already stated that. Reverence and awe are inspiring, fear is oppressive. The first is welcoming, the second is not. But I did not make the initial statement. A spiritual journey, while absolutely different for everyone, should be about moving forward, learning, growing, developing. Enlightenment. The notion of a journey suggests just that. The innate response of a human being to fear is fight or flight, neither response promotes an idea of a journey towards any kind of enlightenment. Stating that fear is the first step leads me to question the entire path.

The answer to your question, "So which idea was being conveyed?" is the rhetorical statement, "Which idea resonates with you?", SLM. The idea that personally resonates with each of us is the one that is being conveyed.

My life B.C. was characterized by fear (anxiety). "But perfect love drives out fear..." (1 John 4:18 NIV) Reverence and awe are my new norms.
 
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Use an OT prayer on him 'Wally'. His ride into salvation doesn't have to be bump free.

The verses by Christ are inspiration to pay attention to what He had Paul and Peter teach us (Gentiles). Would you agree Walter?

Proverb:8:32-36: Now therefore hearken unto me,
O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Hear instruction,
and be wise, and refuse it not.

Blessed is the man that heareth me,
watching daily at my gates,
waiting at the posts of my doors.
For whoso findeth me findeth life,
and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul:
all they that hate me love death.


So said the unbeliever. The book is the 'list' of events that must unfold. You aren't suppose to let the book scare you (as it does you apparently) it is saying if you are going to show fear at some point in your life it should not be for any other reason than meeting God.

1Co:4:20:
For the kingdom of God is not in word,
but in power.

Heb:10:31:
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Joh:20:29:
Jesus saith unto him,
Thomas,
because thou hast seen me,
thou hast believed:

blessed are they that have not seen,
and yet have believed.
My forfathers had many gawds. What makes you think your gawd is any more real or relevant than any of theirs? Or any other religion's gawd?
 

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Greetings to all,

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of the wisdom. Always serve the Lord with fear and rejoice him with trembling.

Today I in Lord Jesus Christ want to exhort you all, that you take this wisdom, and become wise at it, because without that wisdom, we do not have wisdom at all ourselves, but carelessness.

So walk always this great wisdom in your heart, so that you do not get lost from him which is the Life.

Exhort from

Mikko Ainasoja

Lord Jesus Christ and God's servant

This writing is a edited copy, for all peoples
Greetings to all,

And what is even more bigger wisdom is that, that love your neighbour, as yourself, have love for everyone. That is the most biggest wisdom. Amen.

So remember to have love for others and do good, stay always in our Lord Jesus Christ, and you stay in Life and you get live.

And may God Almighty bless you all in our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

Sincerely

Mikko Ainasoja

Lord Jesus Christ and God's servant
 

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