The Failings of the Modern Left

[Kreskin]

Why do Americans assume everyone in the world needs to be saved by the Britney Spears generation? Whatever happened to the mantra of taking responsibility for owns one problems, or is that a selective issue as well? The mindset seems to be that if you aren't bombing it you're not solving anything. The sky has been falling about Castro and Cuba for how long now? Same with China. We've had Chinese tell us on this forum that a one-party state works fine for them, but a guy with a blackberry in Kansas who calls himself something other than a liberal knows what's better for them and everyone else.

 

[Curiosity]

Ta Bear!

 

[L Gilbert]

It's America that sets the example for the world....

Only if you let it. My preferred example for politics, healthcare, crime, and a few other things is Switzerland, for example. Not climate however ( I like Vancouver Island for that). Anyway, Switzerland is very stable, the citizens are the power, not the politicians, healthcare is very good, violent crime is low (drugs are a problem, but everywhere has drug problems), it doesn't stick its nose in other countries' business, etc.
Moderate socialism works and moderate capitalism works and anything in between. Anything outside moderate doesn't work worth a crap.

 

[CDNBear]

Why do Americans assume everyone in the world needs to be saved by the Britney Spears generation? Whatever happened to the mantra of taking responsibility for owns one problems, or is that a selective issue as well? The mindset seems to be that if you aren't bombing it you're not solving anything. The sky has been falling about Castro and Cuba for how long now? Same with China. We've had Chinese tell us on this forum that a one-party state works fine for them, but a guy with a blackberry in Kansas who calls himself something other than a liberal knows what's better for them and everyone else.

A question I have asked many times Kreskin. I have always questioned forcing democracy on any nation. I have asserted, with some backlash, that democracy in whatever form it may take, should form from within. I fully beleive the US style has been hijacked and mutated into so ugly sembledge of its former glorious self.

Although I do not beleive that the Chinese system is above reproach, hence our expanding Chinese communities in Canada. I would support its right to take whatever direction it does at the hands of its people.

No one knows what is better for themselves, then themselves. This is my major concern with our presence in Afghanistan, we should let the Afghan people decide what for of governance they want, not force the American Nightmare on them.

Ta Bear!

You know I love you for your mind WC!

 

[I think not]

Leftists are partisan and most likely have given birth to hypocrisy. The new trend of the Left is to support any regime, fascist, communist, totalitarian, as long as they are targeted by the U.S. adminsitration.

As the article has repeatedly indicated and has fallen on either deaf ears, or shameful eyes, the Left took tot he streets by the millions in order to oppose the overthrow of a fascist. Shame on the Left. But what shame? You need a balanced non bias sense of morality to have shame. Non existant in the annals of the Left.

As far as I'm concerned, the Left today is a reactionary political movement. It not only supports Islamofascism. It also distrusts free markets, the one hope of reducing world poverty. Because as history has shown, every single socialist cesspool has driven the people deeper into poverty, deeper into submission, has eliminated more rights and freedoms under socialist rule and has asphyxiated the masses with "responsible free speech".

You can have it! :wave:

 

[darkbeaver]

Of course its politics Darkbeve

Check out the thread title....

The last interest of the NeoCons or the extreme left is "human rights"....

And that's the simple truth MikeyDB, your observations are impecable as per usual.:wave:

 

[talloola]

[No one knows what is better for themselves, then themselves. This is my major concern with our presence in Afghanistan, we should let the Afghan people decide what for of governance they want, not force the American Nightmare on them.

From what I have notice, Afghanistan doesn't have much of a democracy at all, other than, the
people are voting, or have I missed something. They will find their own type of democracy, or
something else that suits them.

I think that Afghanistan would be doing "much better" at present, if Bush had of stayed there, instead of letting his head get so big he thought he could "just take his guns" and have a "showdown" in Iraq.
The Nato forces seem to be slowly making progress there, but I see now that Bush is sending more
troops back there.

It is so "sad" to see someone like him running a country like the u.s. The country used to be so
"great" and "respected", hope that comes back after 08, it is "hugely" important who the american
vote into office next time. Hope it's someone very "moderate", irrespective what party gets in,
and someone with "high" diplomatic intelligence.

Who would you choose?

 

[Tonington]

I like McCain, but he isn't a candidate right now.

 

[darkbeaver]

Leftists are partisan and most likely have given birth to hypocrisy. The new trend of the Left is to support any regime, fascist, communist, totalitarian, as long as they are targeted by the U.S. adminsitration.

As the article has repeatedly indicated and has fallen on either deaf ears, or shameful eyes, the Left took tot he streets by the millions in order to oppose the overthrow of a fascist. Shame on the Left. But what shame? You need a balanced non bias sense of morality to have shame. Non existant in the annals of the Left.

As far as I'm concerned, the Left today is a reactionary political movement. It not only supports Islamofascism. It also distrusts free markets, the one hope of reducing world poverty. Because as history has shown, every single socialist cesspool has driven the people deeper into poverty, deeper into submission, has eliminated more rights and freedoms under socialist rule and has asphyxiated the masses with "responsible free speech".

You can have it! :wave:

And we will, the people took to the streets not to oppose the overthrow of another American birthed dictator but to oppose war, the favoured tool of the right. The free market ideals of the IMF have for the last twenty years steadfastly driven millions into poverty to enrich the capitalists and suppress human rights in the name of commerce, free to murder, free to starve, free to subjugate, free to steal, free to lie. Every single attempt at scocialism has been burdened with the American moral question. The morals of the country can best be described as,pornographic mythology. As that mythological rotten ship slips into eternal darkness it's adherants cling to the gunnels biting and clawing for purchase. We will compile its history, we will bring it out of the closets and from beneath the rocks where it hides, and there's nothing the right can do to escape the truth except press the button.:laughing7::laughing7::laughing7::laughing7:

 

[CDNBear]

And we will, the people took to the streets not to oppose the overthrow of another American birthed dictator but to oppose war, the favoured tool of the right. The free market ideals of the IMF have for the last twenty years steadfastly driven millions into poverty to enrich the capitalists and suppress human rights in the name of commerce, free to murder, free to starve, free to subjugate, free to steal, free to lie. Every single attempt at scocialism has been burdened with the American moral question. The morals of the country can best be described as,pornographic mythology. As that mythological rotten ship slips into eternal darkness it's adherants cling to the gunnels biting and clawing for purchase. We will compile its history, we will bring it out of the closets and from beneath the rocks where it hides, and there's nothing the right can do to escape the truth except press the button.:laughing7::laughing7::laughing7::laughing7:

And oddly enough, when the left was at the helm of that ship, they did nothing to change its course.

Oh the hypocracy of it all.

 

[darkbeaver]

And oddly enough, when the left was at the helm of that ship, they did nothing to change its course.

Oh the hypocracy of it all.

So you maintain that scocial programs such as human rights and international law are not changes of course from monarchic or robber baron policys of the right. Left to the benevolence of the right you and I would not be able to read or write nor have a voice, we would still be living in company houses and working sixteen hour days in cotten factories, our children would be sick and dirty our wives dead at forty.:wave:

 

[I think not]

So you maintain that scocial programs such as human rights and international law are not changes of course from monarchic or robber baron policys of the right. Left to the benevolence of the right you and I would not be able to read or write nor have a voice, we would still be living in company houses and working sixteen hour days in cotten factories, our children would be sick and dirty our wives dead at forty.:wave:

No thanks to the modern Left. :wave:

As the title of this thread suggests.

Except of course whining about ATM fees. :laughing7:

 

[Said1]

And we will, the people took to the streets not to oppose the overthrow of another American birthed dictator but to oppose war, the favoured tool of the right. The free market ideals of the IMF have for the last twenty years steadfastly driven millions into poverty to enrich the capitalists and suppress human rights in the name of commerce, free to murder, free to starve, free to subjugate, free to steal, free to lie. Every single attempt at scocialism has been burdened with the American moral question. The morals of the country can best be described as,pornographic mythology. As that mythological rotten ship slips into eternal darkness it's adherants cling to the gunnels biting and clawing for purchase. We will compile its history, we will bring it out of the closets and from beneath the rocks where it hides, and there's nothing the right can do to escape the truth except press the button.:laughing7::laughing7::laughing7::laughing7:

The IMF is, technically a 'social program'. Heehee. Haahaa. Hoohoo.

 

[darkbeaver]

No thanks to the modern Left. :wave:

As the title of this thread suggests.

Except of course whining about ATM fees. :laughing7:

HaHaHa, drivel, your specialty. Have you done for the day? I have lions to feed.
:laughing7::laughing7::laughing7::laughing7:

 

[darkbeaver]

The IMF is, technically a 'social program'. Heehee. Haahaa. Hoohoo.

How you bean Said1, technically rebuilding Iraq is also a social program, isn't it strange that social programs with right orientation alway fail.Maybe it's not thier thing what.:laughing7::laughing7::laughing7::wave::wave::wave:

 

[CDNBear]

So you maintain that scocial programs such as human rights and international law are not changes of course from monarchic or robber baron policys of the right. Left to the benevolence of the right you and I would not be able to read or write nor have a voice, we would still be living in company houses and working sixteen hour days in cotten factories, our children would be sick and dirty our wives dead at forty.:wave:

Ummm, I guess you still haven't got the premice of the thread at hand.

As you are correct, the socialist benefits that we enjoy today, were born of a socialist movement, their time has come and gone. Now they kill manufacturers. Hence GM, Ford, Crysler, all in trouble. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, and so on, enjoying the lions share, sans socialist unions. I wonder why that is? Oh ya, there is nothing good in the modern socialist left elitest agenda. I worked for a division of Honda for seven years. Our wages were as good as the big three, our benefits as well, but what we were better at then them is productivity and quality. Hard work for fair pay. Something the socialist elitest fails to grasp. Much like your failure to grasp my position, though I have stated it quite clear several times. Troubling are the vision problems the left are experiencing.

Since you missed the point the first time.

The Democrats held the Whitehouse and therefore had the opportunity to change the foriegn policy and the laws of the US or trump the bad acts of their right wing predecessors, yet they did not, so how is not hypocritical for them to sit back and denouce the actions of the right???

 

[CDNBear]

How you bean Said1, technically rebuilding Iraq is also a social program, isn't it strange that social programs with right orientation alway fail.Maybe it's not thier thing what.:laughing7::laughing7::laughing7::wave::wave::wave:

Oh yes and the left social programs are a thriving mechanism of prosperity...

Domestically...
Healthcare
Welfare
GM
FORD
CRYSLER

Internationally...
North Korea
Russia
China
Cuba
etc
etc
etc...

 

[Kreskin]

The right sure worked hard on solving problems in the 90's. All that bedroom police work must have been exhausting.

 

[Said1]

How you bean Said1, technically rebuilding Iraq is also a social program, isn't it strange that social programs with right orientation alway fail.Maybe it's not thier thing what.:laughing7::laughing7::laughing7::wave::wave::wave:

Yes, but the difference between rebuilding Iraq and the IMF is where the tax dollars stem from.

Social programs tend fail at some point anyway, so what's the point?

How you been Bev?

 

[Kreskin]

When will the left start doing something about them homosexuals? Typical liberals, never do anything. If it weren't for GWB wanting to change the constitution to ban same sex marriage who would? As usual the right has to do everything in this world.