"You meet the best people in the dives." You might be right, but still it's one more view to consider. There is always going to be an opportunity for someone to come along with some insight that sets my understanding of things reeling. I find great ideas in that chaos sometimes.
The Discovery of Intelligent Beings on the Planets Will Refute the Enthusiasm.
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"You meet the best people in the dives." You might be right, but still it's one more view to consider. There is always going to be an opportunity for someone to come along with some insight that sets my understanding of things reeling. I find great ideas in that chaos sometimes.
I'm with Toro on this question...
What constitutes "intelligent life"?
If we believe that survival in and of itself is intelligence, an argument bounded by the metrics of war and global destruction doesn't bode well for humankind. Survival, the capacity and ability to procreate as living organisms, a condition that requires consumption to survive implies in a limited finite universe that at best "survival" is a short-lived temporary phenomenon. Species that demonstrate a proclivity to eat everything around themselves and destroy the "host" they live on, as for instance in the case of many ancient human civilizations, appears to indicate that despite "god-myths" as Shopenhauer opined, life is a transient ephemeral condition. While we erect belief constructs to artificially bind humanity to the infinite cosmos, duration seems to be the key. If we accept our experience as living beings as transtitional stages, between spiritual existences that extend backward and forward through "time", perhaps we'd begin to realize a few things...
"Laws" or "codes of behavior" whether we believe these rules to be extra-phenomenal in origin or simply necessary adjustments made by short-lived organisms like human beings, in the effort to co-exist in social constructs, demand that we acknowledge the inherent limited periodicity of the applicability of these rules laws and codes. As humankind evolved/developed, we live longer (certain segments) and the dynamics of social intercourse and interreaction require that we re-evaluate our structures of morality and examine the "absolutism" of divine and temporal "law".
Ideas for instance regarding the "role" women play in our social constructs have been re-evaluated and re-worked to reflect acknowledgement that gender doesn't equip one sex to rule nor permit one gender to abuse and/or misuse the other. Ancient tribal orders and systems that critically relied on procreation based on hunting and gathering (and sufficient numbers of people to successfully undertake these activities for the whole), celebrating the female as repository of the means of reproducing the species developed (in male dominated cultures) gender bias that has been promulgated and reinforced by belief constructs.
Ideas change and accepting a single basic "rule" as appropriate throughout all time and for everyone doesn't seem a reliable strategy. Similarly, before humankind had the facility and ability to engage in critically affecting reproductive mechanisms and developed an awareness of physiology that permitted understanding and effort to combat disease and injury, life-span was limited to the "natural" longevity of the organism. People live longer now and of course that means we have more people consuming more and as the demand for more increases, limits imposed through national boundaries and geographical/climactic dynamics are placed under stress. An idea that served humankind "well" for hundreds or thousands of years can't reliably be embraced as serving future man.
Clinging desperately to the constructs of religious belief that compel societies to war and ingrain prejudices based on entirely artificial concepts has outlived their usefulness.
Mankind hasn't ever lived together in "peace" when significant numbers of people are crowded together in the name of commerce and industry, but our appetites for more and our habits of consumption demand that we rally to the model of concentrated human populations. Maybe survival and intelligence is accepting the fact that consumption is limited by resources and appetites that serve to define exclusivity and prejudice are anti-thetical to sustained existence.
I'll appologize now for making this long and complicated contribution, it's my experience here at CC that folk like short simple and something that doesn't demand too much effort to think about or understand....
What constitutes "intelligent life"?
If we believe that survival in and of itself is intelligence, an argument bounded by the metrics of war and global destruction doesn't bode well for humankind. Survival, the capacity and ability to procreate as living organisms, a condition that requires consumption to survive implies in a limited finite universe that at best "survival" is a short-lived temporary phenomenon. Species that demonstrate a proclivity to eat everything around themselves and destroy the "host" they live on, as for instance in the case of many ancient human civilizations, appears to indicate that despite "god-myths" as Shopenhauer opined, life is a transient ephemeral condition. While we erect belief constructs to artificially bind humanity to the infinite cosmos, duration seems to be the key. If we accept our experience as living beings as transtitional stages, between spiritual existences that extend backward and forward through "time", perhaps we'd begin to realize a few things...
"Laws" or "codes of behavior" whether we believe these rules to be extra-phenomenal in origin or simply necessary adjustments made by short-lived organisms like human beings, in the effort to co-exist in social constructs, demand that we acknowledge the inherent limited periodicity of the applicability of these rules laws and codes. As humankind evolved/developed, we live longer (certain segments) and the dynamics of social intercourse and interreaction require that we re-evaluate our structures of morality and examine the "absolutism" of divine and temporal "law".
Ideas for instance regarding the "role" women play in our social constructs have been re-evaluated and re-worked to reflect acknowledgement that gender doesn't equip one sex to rule nor permit one gender to abuse and/or misuse the other. Ancient tribal orders and systems that critically relied on procreation based on hunting and gathering (and sufficient numbers of people to successfully undertake these activities for the whole), celebrating the female as repository of the means of reproducing the species developed (in male dominated cultures) gender bias that has been promulgated and reinforced by belief constructs.
Ideas change and accepting a single basic "rule" as appropriate throughout all time and for everyone doesn't seem a reliable strategy. Similarly, before humankind had the facility and ability to engage in critically affecting reproductive mechanisms and developed an awareness of physiology that permitted understanding and effort to combat disease and injury, life-span was limited to the "natural" longevity of the organism. People live longer now and of course that means we have more people consuming more and as the demand for more increases, limits imposed through national boundaries and geographical/climactic dynamics are placed under stress. An idea that served humankind "well" for hundreds or thousands of years can't reliably be embraced as serving future man.
Clinging desperately to the constructs of religious belief that compel societies to war and ingrain prejudices based on entirely artificial concepts has outlived their usefulness.
Mankind hasn't ever lived together in "peace" when significant numbers of people are crowded together in the name of commerce and industry, but our appetites for more and our habits of consumption demand that we rally to the model of concentrated human populations. Maybe survival and intelligence is accepting the fact that consumption is limited by resources and appetites that serve to define exclusivity and prejudice are anti-thetical to sustained existence.
I'll appologize now for making this long and complicated contribution, it's my experience here at CC that folk like short simple and something that doesn't demand too much effort to think about or understand....
MikeyDB
Good argument there, but you can't seem to shake off the thought that mankind somehow seems to want to find something spiritual to identify itself with.
Now, tell me, what makes mankind think that there is something spiritual that it wants to identify with?
The argument that we are just passing through and nothing else has no real substance because it is just as if life were a wrap for a piece of candy and then discarded as nothing more than trash.
If I close my mind and box God into a box of my own thinking, than I limit God to anything out of that box.
Am I foolish enough to think that I can box the God of the universe in thinking that there is no life beyond this earth? No!
But, it is not given for me to know, much as it was not given to us to know ,see and understand what a computer is, 200 years ago.
What is basic to the human intellect is the ability to make choices with what exists overshadowed by what does not exist but is spiritual.
Spiritual guidance has always been at the helm of the existence of mankind noted by the fact that throughout all the ages mankind has erected idols of worship and called it their God.
It was not until an appointed time that this spiritual entity, the real God, chose to identify Himself as to who or what He is.
Therefore, for mankind, it has become a point of contention ever since.
In referring back to my one post where I quoted Jesus as saying: that ye are gods, small letter g, is because that's what is in all of us, a piece of God which stimulates us according to His will and time.
One can deny it, reject it, but the fact still remains, for there are still arguments against it as if it were real.
Otherwise, time would not be spent trying to convince anybody that God does not exist.
As for aliens, well, if there are any, I'd be the first to say hello, welcome to our hellish environment, what's yours like?
Peace>>>AJ
Good argument there, but you can't seem to shake off the thought that mankind somehow seems to want to find something spiritual to identify itself with.
Now, tell me, what makes mankind think that there is something spiritual that it wants to identify with?
The argument that we are just passing through and nothing else has no real substance because it is just as if life were a wrap for a piece of candy and then discarded as nothing more than trash.
If I close my mind and box God into a box of my own thinking, than I limit God to anything out of that box.
Am I foolish enough to think that I can box the God of the universe in thinking that there is no life beyond this earth? No!
But, it is not given for me to know, much as it was not given to us to know ,see and understand what a computer is, 200 years ago.
What is basic to the human intellect is the ability to make choices with what exists overshadowed by what does not exist but is spiritual.
Spiritual guidance has always been at the helm of the existence of mankind noted by the fact that throughout all the ages mankind has erected idols of worship and called it their God.
It was not until an appointed time that this spiritual entity, the real God, chose to identify Himself as to who or what He is.
Therefore, for mankind, it has become a point of contention ever since.
In referring back to my one post where I quoted Jesus as saying: that ye are gods, small letter g, is because that's what is in all of us, a piece of God which stimulates us according to His will and time.
One can deny it, reject it, but the fact still remains, for there are still arguments against it as if it were real.
Otherwise, time would not be spent trying to convince anybody that God does not exist.
As for aliens, well, if there are any, I'd be the first to say hello, welcome to our hellish environment, what's yours like?
Peace>>>AJ
Excellent analysis
Its just that it lacks complete puzzle and it will perhaps stay that way.
Unf,
Were you looking for strictly unique entities? I posted in your thread about a unique hydrological phenomena here on Earth. If you examine the components of course they are the same guiding principles for other hydrologic interactions, but this one specifically is unique in the seasonal changes it undergoes. I'm unaware of any other river systems that act in this specific way.
Were you looking for strictly unique entities? I posted in your thread about a unique hydrological phenomena here on Earth. If you examine the components of course they are the same guiding principles for other hydrologic interactions, but this one specifically is unique in the seasonal changes it undergoes. I'm unaware of any other river systems that act in this specific way.
All things are created in pairs.
The explanation: (Glory be to Him Who created all the pairs; of [the plant] which the earth produces, and of themselves, and of what they know not!)
Some of that which they do not know its pairedness (or coupling) are the stars.
I say:
God created all things in pairs; but God is the Single One, the Unique, the Eternal, the Infinite.
God – be exalted – said in the Quran 51: 49
God created all things in pairs; but God is the Single One, the Unique, the Eternal, the Infinite.
God – be exalted – said in the Quran 51: 49
وَمِن كُلِّ شَيْءٍ خَلَقْنَا زَوْجَيْنِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَذَكَّرُونَ
The explanation: (And of everything have We created two spouses; that you may reflect.)
And He said in the Quran 36: 36 (سُبْحانَ الّذِي خَلَقَ الأزْواجَ كُلَّها مِمّا تُنْبِتُ الأرْضُ و مِنْ أنْفُسِهِمْ و مِمّا لا يَعْلَمُونَ )
Some of that which they do not know its pairedness (or coupling) are the stars.
See our website: http://universeandquran.741.com
And click on:
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_3.htm#Stars
eanassir.And click on:
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_3.htm#Stars
There is intelligent life on Mars and some other planets.
I say:
Yes, there is life on Mars and some other planets (with the exception of Mercury and Venus, on which life has been exterminated following their cessation from rotating around themselves).
See our reply concerning the recent images of Mars.
Refer to our website
I say:
Yes, there is life on Mars and some other planets (with the exception of Mercury and Venus, on which life has been exterminated following their cessation from rotating around themselves).
See our reply concerning the recent images of Mars.
Refer to our website
http://universeandquran.741.com
And click on:
http://universeandquran.741.com/#Planets Inhabited
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Meeting Between Inhabitants
eanassir.
And click on:
http://universeandquran.741.com/#Planets Inhabited
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Meeting Between Inhabitants
eanassir.
The religion of the inhabitants of Mars and other planets.
I say:
The First Commandment which pertain to God alone, without associate, is the religion of all the prophets and the apostles whose words issued from God - be glorified.
Of necessity, God should have sent into every nation an apostle to warn them of contradicting this commandment in particular: that God is One; in the Islam also the first word is No god but God.
The same is applied to the dwellers of the planets who may be more numerous than the inhabitants of the Earth. God have sent them apostles to warn them of the idolatry which is the unforgivable sin.
The people of the planets know God the Creator, but they do not know Jesus or Mohammed and the rest of our prophets; but they have their prophets out of themselves.
I say: Why then will all this enthusiasm about prophets like Moses, Jesus or Mohammed? they are not gods; they are some of His created beings.
Of course the people there - like to the inhabitants of our Earth - will have many idolaters, associaters and atheists in addition.
This is the idea.
God - be exalted - said in the Quran 3: 83
eanassir.
I say:
The First Commandment which pertain to God alone, without associate, is the religion of all the prophets and the apostles whose words issued from God - be glorified.
Of necessity, God should have sent into every nation an apostle to warn them of contradicting this commandment in particular: that God is One; in the Islam also the first word is No god but God.
The same is applied to the dwellers of the planets who may be more numerous than the inhabitants of the Earth. God have sent them apostles to warn them of the idolatry which is the unforgivable sin.
The people of the planets know God the Creator, but they do not know Jesus or Mohammed and the rest of our prophets; but they have their prophets out of themselves.
I say: Why then will all this enthusiasm about prophets like Moses, Jesus or Mohammed? they are not gods; they are some of His created beings.
Of course the people there - like to the inhabitants of our Earth - will have many idolaters, associaters and atheists in addition.
This is the idea.
God - be exalted - said in the Quran 3: 83
أَفَغَيْرَ دِينِ اللّهِ يَبْغُونَ وَلَهُ أَسْلَمَ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ طَوْعًا وَكَرْهًا وَإِلَيْهِ يُرْجَعُونَ
The explanation: (What [religion] other than God's religion is that these [Jews and Christians] crave, when to Him is resigned whosoever is in the heavens and the earth [: the terrestrial planets including the earth], willingly or loath, and to His [judgment] shall they return [after death]!? )
eanassir.
God is only One.
I say:
This is among the kinds of the association with God: like the idolatry. Of course some tyrants like Pharaoh made themselves like god. But man should beware of such association; because he may worship himself or his money or his pride or his folk or his sect or his tribe, or Jesus or Abraham or Moses or Ali or Abdul- Qadir or others: so that he will work for such entities rather than that his work should be exclusive for God alone. I mean his work of worship and servitude. Moreover, the mind of the associaters will be occupied by their "associates of God" rather than by glorifying God Himself.
eanassir.
This is among the kinds of the association with God: like the idolatry. Of course some tyrants like Pharaoh made themselves like god. But man should beware of such association; because he may worship himself or his money or his pride or his folk or his sect or his tribe, or Jesus or Abraham or Moses or Ali or Abdul- Qadir or others: so that he will work for such entities rather than that his work should be exclusive for God alone. I mean his work of worship and servitude. Moreover, the mind of the associaters will be occupied by their "associates of God" rather than by glorifying God Himself.
eanassir.
The discovery of people on the planets will refute the atheism.
I say:
The discovery of people there on Mars and some other planets, as pointed out in many of the Quranic revelations, will also refute the atheism.
That is because, they will see that God has sent his apostle there to the people of the planets as has He sent His apostles to the inhabitants of the Earth, and they will see that the same principals are practiced there; because the religion of all the earth and heavens pertains to God the Creator.
God – be glorified – said in the Quran 3: 83
The discovery of people there on Mars and some other planets, as pointed out in many of the Quranic revelations, will also refute the atheism.
That is because, they will see that God has sent his apostle there to the people of the planets as has He sent His apostles to the inhabitants of the Earth, and they will see that the same principals are practiced there; because the religion of all the earth and heavens pertains to God the Creator.
God – be glorified – said in the Quran 3: 83
أَفَغَيْرَ دِينِ اللّهِ يَبْغُونَ وَلَهُ أَسْلَمَ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ طَوْعًا وَكَرْهًا وَإِلَيْهِ يُرْجَعُونَ
The explanation: (What [religion] other than God's religion is that these [Jews and Christians] crave, when to Him is resigned whosoever is in the heavens and the earth [: the terrestrial planets including the earth], willingly or loath, and to His [judgment] shall they return [after death]!? )
eanassir.
I stake my life, my soul to the God of Jesus Christ, for He (Christ) is the new name by which all mankind may be saved, of which I am one.
Christianity came out with a dogma by which condemned anybody not accepting Jesus as their Savior.
That would include you, and all Muslims, Jews and all nonbelievers.
What is being missed in all of it, is that Jesus died to pay the price for all mankind, including you, Muslims and all unbelievers.
The question is, how many will believe it?
God, the creator created a son of which He called Adam and of the same He also created a daughter, also an Adam, and they in turn procreated after their kind.
For this animal to have intelligences, knowledge and reasoning ability, made them as gods.
And true to form as you say "one God only"there could be no other gods besides God alone.
What that meant is that all should born after Adam and Eve, were born dead spiritually to God, because God is only one God and would have no other to share His throne.
God alone then, wanting to save all humanity had to provide a body to sacrifice in place of all humanity to revive that which became dead as the result of creation, has Himself born the body of a human for one day only. And that day, Jesus was as God taking away the sins of the world and to render life to the world via His body which was sent to taste hell and then resurrected to life in heaven as the God of all mankind.
Now, regardless of what Muslims believe, Christians believe, Jews believe, non believer believe, has absolutely no bearing on mankind's salvation.
The big problem that exists which can only be conquered with. is, for good people to consume all evil and render love in return.
That is what is needed and not so much condemnations for people who believe other than what we believe.
The truth is, regardless of all the confusion there is in the world about this belief or that belief, is that God loves us period.
We are granted a privilege to live on this earth of which by behavior, we run the chance of forfeiting life.
Ecc 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Will we use our privilege of life to help someone else have a better life?
Peace>>>AJ
Christianity came out with a dogma by which condemned anybody not accepting Jesus as their Savior.
That would include you, and all Muslims, Jews and all nonbelievers.
What is being missed in all of it, is that Jesus died to pay the price for all mankind, including you, Muslims and all unbelievers.
The question is, how many will believe it?
God, the creator created a son of which He called Adam and of the same He also created a daughter, also an Adam, and they in turn procreated after their kind.
For this animal to have intelligences, knowledge and reasoning ability, made them as gods.
And true to form as you say "one God only"there could be no other gods besides God alone.
What that meant is that all should born after Adam and Eve, were born dead spiritually to God, because God is only one God and would have no other to share His throne.
God alone then, wanting to save all humanity had to provide a body to sacrifice in place of all humanity to revive that which became dead as the result of creation, has Himself born the body of a human for one day only. And that day, Jesus was as God taking away the sins of the world and to render life to the world via His body which was sent to taste hell and then resurrected to life in heaven as the God of all mankind.
Now, regardless of what Muslims believe, Christians believe, Jews believe, non believer believe, has absolutely no bearing on mankind's salvation.
The big problem that exists which can only be conquered with. is, for good people to consume all evil and render love in return.
That is what is needed and not so much condemnations for people who believe other than what we believe.
The truth is, regardless of all the confusion there is in the world about this belief or that belief, is that God loves us period.
We are granted a privilege to live on this earth of which by behavior, we run the chance of forfeiting life.
Ecc 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Will we use our privilege of life to help someone else have a better life?
Peace>>>AJ
look 3467 said: "God, the creator created a son of which He called Adam and of the same He also created a daughter, also an Adam, and they in turn procreated after their kind."
eanassir
I say:
The Ten Commandments are very clear and plain, and in particular the First one of them: "Our God is One God."
But the complexity came from the enthusiasm and the interpretations that are not logical.
Successive generations and mixing with the other idolatrous civilizations like the ancient Greeks [who said their kings were the sons of gods] surely had some influence on the religions that originally were monotheistic: pertaining to the One God, which is the main mission of all the apostles.
The alteration of such religions was by means of some religious leaders; they invented some rites and doctrines; then the common people followed them, because they trusted them, until the picture of the original monotheistic religions was completely distorted and became like an idolatry [ such phases may be applicable to all religions]; and even they erected statues of their prophet and his family in their temples : pictures and statues of Jesus and his mother in their churches, [and pictures of imam Ali and his sons in some of the mosques] which is contradictory to the First Commandment: It is mentioned in the Book of Deuteronomy, chapter 5: 7-9
“8-You shall not make to yourself a graven thing, nor the likeness of anythings, that are in heaven above, or that are in the earth beneath, or that abide in the waters under the earth."
I say: the commandment is plainly clear, but they twist and wind around the words by their interpretations to distort its meaning, so that it will be completely opposite to its purpose.
For example, some of the enthusiastic Muslims say concerning Prophet Mohammed: "Yes, he is a human being like us, but he has special differences and features … etc." While God – be glorified – said clearly in the Quran 18: 110
The Ten Commandments are very clear and plain, and in particular the First one of them: "Our God is One God."
But the complexity came from the enthusiasm and the interpretations that are not logical.
Successive generations and mixing with the other idolatrous civilizations like the ancient Greeks [who said their kings were the sons of gods] surely had some influence on the religions that originally were monotheistic: pertaining to the One God, which is the main mission of all the apostles.
The alteration of such religions was by means of some religious leaders; they invented some rites and doctrines; then the common people followed them, because they trusted them, until the picture of the original monotheistic religions was completely distorted and became like an idolatry [ such phases may be applicable to all religions]; and even they erected statues of their prophet and his family in their temples : pictures and statues of Jesus and his mother in their churches, [and pictures of imam Ali and his sons in some of the mosques] which is contradictory to the First Commandment: It is mentioned in the Book of Deuteronomy, chapter 5: 7-9
“8-You shall not make to yourself a graven thing, nor the likeness of anythings, that are in heaven above, or that are in the earth beneath, or that abide in the waters under the earth."
I say: the commandment is plainly clear, but they twist and wind around the words by their interpretations to distort its meaning, so that it will be completely opposite to its purpose.
For example, some of the enthusiastic Muslims say concerning Prophet Mohammed: "Yes, he is a human being like us, but he has special differences and features … etc." While God – be glorified – said clearly in the Quran 18: 110
قُلْ إِنَّمَا أَنَا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَى إِلَيَّ أَنَّمَا إِلَهُكُمْ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ
The explanation: (Say: "I am only a human being like yourselves; [but] I am inspired that your God is only One God.)
An important soora or chapter of the Quran is this soora (112) that may be recited in almost each of the five daily prayers:
An important soora or chapter of the Quran is this soora (112) that may be recited in almost each of the five daily prayers:
بسم الله الرحمنالرحيم
قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ . اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ . لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ . وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ
The explanation: (In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)
- Say [O Mohammed to those Christians who believe in the Trinity]: "He is God, One [but not three whom you claim to be one.]" *
- "God is Eternal [and Unchangeable.]" **
- "Who never begot [anyone], nor was He ever begotten." ***
- "And none [of creatures] is equivalent to Him [in managing the universe.]") ****
* But in fact, the first is God – be glorified; the second is Jesus Christ His apostle, but not His son as you claim; the third is the Holy Ghost: Gabriel, who is one of the angels and an envoy from God to the apostles.
** And does not incorporate in any body of any man.
*** He never begot [anyone]; so that He might have any son. [And how could He have any son when He has no female companion?]
**** Therefore, none may stand instead of Him in managing the universe and the affairs of His creatures, neither Jesus Christ nor the angels; because all these are created, and the created cannot manage the affairs of the creation.
** And does not incorporate in any body of any man.
*** He never begot [anyone]; so that He might have any son. [And how could He have any son when He has no female companion?]
**** Therefore, none may stand instead of Him in managing the universe and the affairs of His creatures, neither Jesus Christ nor the angels; because all these are created, and the created cannot manage the affairs of the creation.
eanassir
eanassir
Would you like a bit of good news?
You have a right to say all you want about mankind's behavior, but you see, if behavior were the ingredient that would give us eternal life, then yes, a resounding yes, on what you are saying.
But because God knew that not one of us could behave good enough to attain a heavenly bound status. He took the behavior clause out with Jesus and gave us grace, or I should rather say, the righteousness of God in Jesus to all of us.
Can you see God condemning people to hell when they seem to already be in hell by the way the world is?
This religion....nah, that religion....nah, Chritisnity.....nah, Buddism....nah the Jewish religion.......
Can't you see that none and all of them can not of themselves gain enough righteousness to go to heaven?
God knows and knew the conditions He set forth when He created the first person, and in so doing made preparations to cure the ill from mankind.
If God can equalize all of humanity as all lost, than by the same token He can declared all will be saved as well.
If that is the case, I see no difference between you and I, between Christianity and Judaism, between Buddha and non-believers.
Peace>>>AJ
Would you like a bit of good news?
You have a right to say all you want about mankind's behavior, but you see, if behavior were the ingredient that would give us eternal life, then yes, a resounding yes, on what you are saying.
But because God knew that not one of us could behave good enough to attain a heavenly bound status. He took the behavior clause out with Jesus and gave us grace, or I should rather say, the righteousness of God in Jesus to all of us.
Can you see God condemning people to hell when they seem to already be in hell by the way the world is?
This religion....nah, that religion....nah, Chritisnity.....nah, Buddism....nah the Jewish religion.......
Can't you see that none and all of them can not of themselves gain enough righteousness to go to heaven?
God knows and knew the conditions He set forth when He created the first person, and in so doing made preparations to cure the ill from mankind.
If God can equalize all of humanity as all lost, than by the same token He can declared all will be saved as well.
If that is the case, I see no difference between you and I, between Christianity and Judaism, between Buddha and non-believers.
Peace>>>AJ
look 3467 said: "Can't you see that none and all of them can not of themselves gain enough righteousness to go to heaven?"
I say: None may go to Paradise in heaven, unless with God's mercy. This includes the prophets like Jesus and Mohammed.
The enthusiasm about these righteous men is out of their teachings. See that it is God That created them, provided for them, cured them, bestowed - on them and on all His creatures- His bounties. Then He caused them to die, as will all generations, but He is the Everlasting Who does not die.
All such apostles ate food and drank water [ so they passed bowel motion and urination.]
The intercession [and its synonym in Christianity: the redemption] is the plea of all associaters in all religions. They say that all people are sinners, and we need that our prophets like Jesus, Mohammed, Ali, Moses, Abraham, Paulis, and others should intercede for us before God; so that we may be admitted into Paradise or the kingdom of heaven. Even, the cow worshippers say that they worship God and know that He is One, but they sanctify and serve the cow because it, being pure of sins, may intercede for their behalf so that God will accept their repentance and forgive them.
But all these are imaginations and forgery; God forgives all sins, if He please, for the servant that repents; but He does not forgive the association. Even Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham and others cannot intercede for the associater who ascribe associates, equals, sons and daughters to God.
Every believing man will be judged, in the Hereafter on the Day of Judgment. This includes also the prophets and apostles. It is explained in the Quran about the judment of Jesus and that God asks him: Did you say to people to take you and your mohters as gods to be worshipped besides God? Then Jesus quit himself and say he only said to them to worship God his Lord and their Lord, and that he did only work according to God's commanding.
eanassir.
I say: None may go to Paradise in heaven, unless with God's mercy. This includes the prophets like Jesus and Mohammed.
The enthusiasm about these righteous men is out of their teachings. See that it is God That created them, provided for them, cured them, bestowed - on them and on all His creatures- His bounties. Then He caused them to die, as will all generations, but He is the Everlasting Who does not die.
All such apostles ate food and drank water [ so they passed bowel motion and urination.]
The intercession [and its synonym in Christianity: the redemption] is the plea of all associaters in all religions. They say that all people are sinners, and we need that our prophets like Jesus, Mohammed, Ali, Moses, Abraham, Paulis, and others should intercede for us before God; so that we may be admitted into Paradise or the kingdom of heaven. Even, the cow worshippers say that they worship God and know that He is One, but they sanctify and serve the cow because it, being pure of sins, may intercede for their behalf so that God will accept their repentance and forgive them.
But all these are imaginations and forgery; God forgives all sins, if He please, for the servant that repents; but He does not forgive the association. Even Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham and others cannot intercede for the associater who ascribe associates, equals, sons and daughters to God.
Every believing man will be judged, in the Hereafter on the Day of Judgment. This includes also the prophets and apostles. It is explained in the Quran about the judment of Jesus and that God asks him: Did you say to people to take you and your mohters as gods to be worshipped besides God? Then Jesus quit himself and say he only said to them to worship God his Lord and their Lord, and that he did only work according to God's commanding.
eanassir.
This is what the bible says about Jesus: Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Not only did God (Allah) decreed Jesus as His Son, but also gave the world to Him as an inheritance:
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Of all the prophets that you have read about, which one did God decree as His only Son?
And as a Son, God instructed Him to say to us to love our enemies as God loves them too.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
And in the Quran the same message:
[al-Baqarah 2:190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
Fight in the way of Allah, with love, love your enemies is the way to fight, use love as your weapon as Jesus did, and love those who do not love you without limit.
For Allah has no patience for those who love not or exceed the limits, meaning limiting the love for selfish reasons.
The whole Torah points to the coming messiah, the Redeemer of Israel, but Israel rejects Him and Jesus goes unto the rest of the world who do receive Him; thereby, giving Israel’s High Priests the right to execute Jesus for making Himself equal to God according to their law.
God then strips Israel of it’s birthright, gives it to Jesus and in turn, Jesus gives it to the world.
Peace>>>AJ
Just for arguements sake , life on another planet may have a more intelegent belief like on of creation instead of God. Where everyone and everything has a part to play and none is worth more than another such as religion and those who preach it seem to always raise them selfs above the non believers giving them selves more importance over their nieghbor and brothers and females.
Would any of you like to be the owner of any of those planets? Perhaps a star.
We do realize that there are billions out there of stars ans some shine brighter than others?
I'd say the brighter ones shine because they had greater responsibility on earth to proclaim the gospel of God while the rest of us, well, not so shinny.
But, of course we will not know until graduation day.
Peace>>>AJ