the cost of war and who suports it

[Jack_Of_Spade]

I want to know why no one is talking about the Afganistan occupation in this campain? At a excalating cost of over 22 billions plus the latest cost for new jets at 9 billion ( and we know it will probably be double that)I want to know which candidate suports this and which doesn't?

 

[JLM]

I want to know why no one is talking about the Afganistan occupation in this campain? At a excalating cost of over 22 billions plus the latest cost for new jets at 9 billion ( and we know it will probably be double that)I want to know which candidate suports this and which doesn't?

It's a bit of a nebulous subject, we've had thousands of soldiers in Afghanistan for about 10 years and all these people are being paid, it just so happens in this case it is all billed to Afghanistan, if they weren't there they'd be billed to something else. So a good part of that money would be spent regardless, albeit it maybe better spent if they were engaged in some other project like cleaning up our environment. But again maybe not, morally maybe we are obligated more to helping our fellow human beings.

 

[SLM]

I'd argue that the true cost of war is not in dollars but in lives lost.

And we do have a moral obligation to help others, it's what make us human.

I have nothing but respect for our men and women in uniform. I just wish more of them could come home at the end of the day.

 

[EagleSmack]

I want to know why no one is talking about the Afganistan occupation in this campain? At a excalating cost of over 22 billions plus the latest cost for new jets at 9 billion ( and we know it will probably be double that)I want to know which candidate suports this and which doesn't?

The Libyan Campaign is all the rage now.

 

[petros]

Who is paying for Afghanistan?

 

[Liberalman]

The people who depend on oil

 

[Avro]

Foreign wars that are not a threat to us are a waste of money and Canadian lives.

We should prepare to defend out borders and our borders alone.

We should also arm and train every citizen like they do in Switzerland.

Any invasion force would have to take on about 20 million Canadians armed to the teeth.

 

[petros]

Avro is someone who thinks nations still have borders and are sovereign. Foolish welfare bum.

 

[mentalfloss]

The fiscal cost of war is supposed to be offset by the spoils, but that has never resolved any national financial troubles such as the debt or deficit. By nature, we always consume more than we reap.

The humanitarian cost of war almost always seems to end up hurting the 'aiding' nations' reputations. I'm sure you'll have some people jump on that, but most of the middle east (including Libya) hates and will continue to hate Western powers even after we supply aid.

Regarding Canadian political parties:

Green party doesn't appear to take a stance on war.

NDP oppose war.

Liberals appear to oppose unreasonable wars.

Conservatives' stance on war is entirely dependent on the U.S. stance, so if the U.S. goes in, then we go in.

 

[petros]

Aid is a raw deal when traded for resources through conquest. The conquered always get the short end of the stick.

Simply follow the history of the West India company and compare it to today.

NATO and the NWO that backs it is no different than the West Indian Company and it's army of 300,000 who devistated Asia to the point we are still dealing with the consequences of brutality and it's resounding echoes of induced hatred today.

It was resources then and it's resources today.

What kind of legacy are you leaving for your great great grandkids? The same that was left for us?

 

[Jack_Of_Spade]

Avro is someone who thinks nations still have borders and are sovereign. Foolish welfare bum.

Avro I got your point on Afganistan but lets maintain respect by intelectual debate please. His point is actualy a good one in that even our goverment would govern better if linguring in there mind was the thought that revolution is always possible if they forget who put them there.

The fiscal cost of war is supposed to be offset by the spoils, but that has never resolved any national financial troubles such as the debt or deficit. By nature, we always consume more than we reap.

The humanitarian cost of war almost always seems to end up hurting the 'aiding' nations' reputations. I'm sure you'll have some people jump on that, but most of the middle east (including Libya) hates and will continue to hate Western powers even after we supply aid.

Regarding Canadian political parties:

Green party doesn't appear to take a stance on war.

NDP oppose war.

Liberals appear to oppose unreasonable wars.

Conservatives' stance on war is entirely dependent on the U.S. stance, so if the U.S. goes in, then we go in.

Thanks mental floss i apreciate the information. I think though that the middle east is like anyone else who likes the way they live . No one like to have somone come and tell him how they should be living or what they should believe. I think once we stop doing that they will again respect us as so many we traqde with do.

Foreign wars that are not a threat to us are a waste of money and Canadian lives.

We should prepare to defend out borders and our borders alone.

We should also arm and train every citizen like they do in Switzerland.

Any invasion force would have to take on about 20 million Canadians armed to the teeth.

I understand where you are comming from Avro! I agree that every canadian should be train for combat and arm as well . I may differ in some way though that I believe the choise to fight back is an individual one and no goverment has the right to tell us who is our enemie. Thats a desision each one of us should make on our own . Personaly my rule is my enemie is one that is a emediate identifiable treath to me or my family . That is the only cause I will willing die for or kill for self defence .

 

[Mowich]

Foreign wars that are not a threat to us are a waste of money and Canadian lives.

We should prepare to defend out borders and our borders alone.

We should also arm and train every citizen like they do in Switzerland.

Any invasion force would have to take on about 20 million Canadians armed to the teeth.

I tend to agree with you about training citizens, Avro. Arming them is another thing. Getting rid of the Gun Registry would take care of that problem for a good number of people.

I also like the idea of mandatory service to your country for a period of two years at least. The reason I do so is that a well-trained civilian population is invaluable in times of natural disasters. The death toll in Japan might have been much higher were it not for the earthquake training that the citizens go through.

That said, I can't think of one country who would have the necessary equipment or the total lack of brains, to invade our country. It just is not on.

 

[Jack_Of_Spade]

Avro is someone who thinks nations still have borders and are sovereign. Foolish welfare bum.

My appoligy Avro I got the name wrong the message was meant for Petro.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Foreign wars that are not a threat to us are a waste of money and Canadian lives.

We should prepare to defend out borders and our borders alone.

We should also arm and train every citizen like they do in Switzerland.

Any invasion force would have to take on about 20 million Canadians armed to the teeth.

Now I am realy pissed...I actually have to agree with Avro on something!

The big problem is that war is enacted and controlled by those that have a profitable interest in the outcome and will profit from the waging of war itself. There are 7 billion people on the planet and if you took a poll 6.999 billion are against war of any kind and just want to live freely and enjoy their existence.

It is the few that have replaced their power of love with the love of power that instigate and control war.

 

[JLM]

Right on, it's a matter of personal decision. I'm pretty much of a coward when it comes to fighting, at least until it comes to protecting me and mine- then sometimes you have to fight dirty. :lol:

 

[Jack_Of_Spade]

I tend to agree with you about training citizens, Avro. Arming them is another thing. Getting rid of the Gun Registry would take care of that problem for a good number of people.

I also like the idea of mandatory service to your country for a period of two years at least. The reason I do so is that a well-trained civilian population is invaluable in times of natural disasters. The death toll in Japan might have been much higher were it not for the earthquake training that the citizens go through.

That said, I can't think of one country who would have the necessary equipment or the total lack of brains, to invade our country. It just is not on.

A well train civilian population I can suport but the rigth of my goverment to tell me who is my enemie and then order me to kill him is a right I reserve for my own judgement.

 

[JLM]

Now I am realy pissed...I actually have to agree with Avro on something!

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REALLY- the only way I could see that happening is he said something when he wasn't thinking straight. :lol:

 

[Mowich]

Right on, it's a matter of personal decision. I'm pretty much of a coward when it comes to fighting, at least until it comes to protecting me and mine- then sometimes you have to fight dirty. :lol:

I was in the Canadian Rangers for seven years, JLM. I hated, hated the rifle drills and going out to the range but I learned how to be a crack shot - should the need ever arise. :smile: However, the training I received and was paid to take was absolutely first rate. I enjoyed the camaraderie and the feeling of accomplishing a goal as a team. The leadership courses are superb and I found they served me well both in the Reserves and in my private life. I was 47 when I joined the Rangers, by the way. You don't have to be a kid to join the Rangers.

A well train civilian population I can suport but the rigth of my goverment to tell me who is my enemie and then order me to kill him is a right I reserve for my own judgement.

I agree. As I said to Avro, I am not for arming Canadians. In fact, I do not see the necessity in teaching weapons training at all but I do see the necessity for teaching Canadians what to do in the event of a natural disaster.

 

[PoliticalNick]

I agree. As I said to Avro, I am not for arming Canadians. In fact, I do not see the necessity in teaching weapons training at all but I do see the necessity for teaching Canadians what to do in the event of a natural disaster.

So if Canadians are not to be armed who defends us when the government becomes totally corrupt and imposes martial law for their corporate backers?

 

[EagleSmack]

So if Canadians are not to be armed who defends us when the government becomes totally corrupt and imposes martial law for their corporate backers?

You're a Revolutionary for sure.

Down here you'd be considered a Right Wing Religious Gun Nut.