The case for Israel

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You still haven't said what key point you believe it supports..
And I'm not going to. If you want to expand your mind. Actually watch the video's. If ignorance is you thing, which it already seems to be, then don't. You're opinion as it is, is vacuous. You haven't watched either, and yet still think your opinion holds water, hence my sarcastic insult of your reather lack luster intellect.

I've already PM'd the answer to someone, way back when I presented the challenge to you. They can confirm that they received the PM. If you actually watch the movies, and still can't figure it out, I might just educate you.

The basic idea is that every time the Zionists offered peace, the Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians declared war and Israel grew bigger. Peace offer, war, more land for Israel. Peace offer, war, more land for Israel. Funny how Israel keeps finding themselves in wars that cause Israel to grow and expand, while they innocently defend themselves over and over...
And all those wars were always Israel fault?

Sort of like how the US selflessly defended themselves from Iraq's WMD stockpiles and somehow the oil companies ended up with lucrative Iraqi oil concessions.
In some cases, yes. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I give Israel a blanket pass.

Just chiming in, but is a two-state solution not already widely accepted? Is that not reasonable compromise for both sides?
It is to me.
 

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Okay, so let's start there then. I'm hearing that the j00s are the ones that are blocking this initiative more than muslims. Is that a fair assumption?
 

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Just chiming in, but is a two-state solution not already widely accepted? Is that not reasonable compromise for both sides?

Another solution would be if this country granted citizenship and equal rights for everyone within their borders. Its called the one state solution:
One-state solution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zionists don't want a solution to war. If you pay attention to this conflict, it doesn't take long for an objective person capable of critical thought to conclude that the current situation allows Zionists to take what they want, when they want. Also the ongoing war is important to the Zionist controlled Israeli economy. Zionist controlled Israel is a major arms producer and as a result of war, they get billions in economic and military aid from the US. Zionists justify their ongoing ethnic cleansing and expansion because of war. I don't see war having a down side for Zionist controlled Israel from an economic, military or hostile expansion/conquest viewpoint.

If Zionists wanted a fair and just peace with these people, it wouldn't be 60 + years and no progress. Obviously Zionists have no motivation for peace and many reasons to maintain the status quo.

The reality is that Zionists and their puppets control borders, trade and movement, collect (and in many cases withholds) taxes, determines who can enter or leave... throughout Zionists controlled Israel and the Occupied Palestinian territories. That makes this fight a civil war within a single country. Zionists and others who support ethnically cleansing this area of non-Jews try to portray this as a battle between nations in order to continue their ethnic cleansing and expansion. Non-Jews within the Zionist area of control lack most to all fundamental human rights and freedoms, depending on which zone they are in. The people without rights and freedoms are trying to overthrow oppression and injustice. Many believe in violence, but organizations and groups which adopt non-violence are more likely to succeed in a fair and just way. Hawk Zionists currently run Israel.

Okay, so let's start there then. I'm hearing that the j00s are the ones that are blocking this initiative more than muslims. Is that a fair assumption?

Its called divide and conquer. When Hamas won the elections, the Zionist influenced US and Zionist controlled Israel armed Fatah and manipulated the two factions into war. Democratically elected Hamas were able to remain in power in Gaza, Fatah seized control of the West Bank. Zionist controlled Israel controls the West Bank's borders and the West Bank puppet dictatorship.
The Gaza Bombshell | Politics | Vanity Fair

Our news has portrayed Hamas as seizing control of Gaza and Fatah being the rightful Palestinian leadership. (Notice they never say "democratically elected")

If the same scenario happened in the US, it would be like the Democrats winning the Presidential election and the incumbent Republican President refusing to hand over power in violation of the American constitution. Then the Democrats try to negotiate a transition of power and when that failed, they rebelled to force the government to accept the election results. In the resulting war, the Democrats ended up of one half of the US and the republican were able to remain in control of the other half, thanks to huge arm shipments from Israel and Mexico.

Fatah's leader, Abbas maintains power by force, not by popular support. Most Palestinians consider Abbas to be an Zionist collaborator. Abbas can't even trust his own people not to assassinate him. Abbas is surrounded by a huge private security apparatus, which is completely dependent on Zionist sources of economic and military support. Abbas tried to negotiate independence with Zionist controlled Israel (actually sell out the Palestinian people in exchange for power and wealth would be a more accurate description: Palestine Papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) but the Zionists refused to consider the possibility of an independent Palestinian state in any form. The Zionists have no intention of promoting Abbas from puppet dictator to independent dictator. In the current situation, Zionists have Abbas by the balls. They can toss him to the dogs by cutting off the arms and money.

So Hamas offered Abbas a way out of his impossible to maintain situation, through mutual cooperation and recognition. Under the agreement, Palestinians will hold another election in 2012 and both sides have agreed to respect the will of the Palestinian people. Zionists see Palestinian unification as a threat to their plans to keep screwing Palestinians. They are correct.

In the up coming election, Palestinians are faced with a choice between Fatah and Hamas. Both are cruel, but Hamas does far more charity work. Fatah is corrupt, represents their own interests and is willing to screw anyone to gain power. Hamas is zealously religious and intolerant. Both have said they'd cut a deal with Israel. They disagree on far they would compromise. Either cutting a peace deal with the Zionist Hawks who control Israel is unlikely. Even Fatah couldn't cut a deal with Zionist doves. The problem is Zionists are stronger and dictate the terms to the weaker divided non-Jews. Zionists probably don`t consider peace an option until all non-Jews within their area of control have been safely interned in concentration camps surrounded by walls, razor wire and guard towers. Their vision for the Palestinians is for these people to be born into oppression and endure injustice for their entire lives. IMo, that`s unsustainable over time.

I recommend watching JTF`s movie, being aware its manipulative propaganda and watch where the goal lines move over the years.


Zionism over time


Another change is Egypt. Until now, Zionists controlled Egypt through a puppet dictator. They had Mubarak by the balls, the same way as Abbas. Mubarak was completely dependent on US bribes. All he had to do was ignore the cries for freedom and justice on the other side of the wall and Zionist influenced US economic and military support would keep flowing.

Recently the Zionists lost control of Egypt when their puppet dictator was disposed by popular revolution. You can be sure Zionists are scrambling to react to this change. They`d probably like to re-install a new puppet dictator through a rigged election. I suspect they will fail. The Egyptian military doesn`t pull all the strings now and even they are divided. We shall see if Egypt has free and fair elections. If Egypt`s new government represents the will of the people on Zionism ethnic cleansing, they will certainly stop selling energy to Zionist controlled Israel at a generous discount. I imagine they will make other changes regarding their policy with Zionist controlled Israel. I doubt they would break the peace treaty as generous US bribes in the form of arms and economic support is an important part of Egypt`s economy. I expect Egypt will plot an independent course which serves their interests and respects the legitimate aspirations of non-Jews in Zionist controlled Israel and the Occupied Territories for fundamental human rights, freedom and justice.
 
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That image looks like the G20 in Toronto, lol.

Anyway, I'll try and ingest a bit more of this and then chime in again later.
 

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I recommend creating a Palestinian homeland near where JTF lives. Of course, we'd have to give the Palestinian settlers billions in economic and military support, while imposing severe sanctions against any group which resists the inevitable ethnic cleansing war. That approach solved the post WW II Jewish refugee problem, so it should work for the Palestinians too. JTF can start a new career in tunnel building.

lol, unlike most Palestinians, my family was already ethnically cleansed. By Palestinian standards, I am a refugee. And, there already is a Palestinan homeland near where I live. :)

Funny how I can catch insults just for posting a link to a movie I came across that was offered free for a couple of days. Makes me laugh.

Another war is coming.

Don't go out on a limb or anything.

I predict Egypt will open the Rafah crossing to Gaza. Israel will have take over the border. I suspect it will go badly for Israel and the border will open in uncontrolled ways periodically at first and then go completely out of control. Israel will be tempted to bomb the Egyptian side. That would be a bad idea...

Egypt will open the Rafah crossing alright, if they haven't already. That will be quickly followed by a military spearhead into Israel. Count on it.

Just chiming in, but is a two-state solution not already widely accepted? Is that not reasonable compromise for both sides?

You would think so, until you realize a state is not the objective. No Israel is the objective. That's why the Palestinian leadership has ambushed any and every opportunity for a state over the past 60 years.

Okay, so let's start there then. I'm hearing that the j00s are the ones that are blocking this initiative more than muslims. Is that a fair assumption?

No, starting from the time the Arabs could have had their state at exactly the same time Israel got theirs. Israel did not stand in the way of Arabs getting a Palestinian state in 1948. The Arabs showed their hand by choosing war, and have been choosing war ever since. Notice how whenever there is a peace initiative and Palestinian statehood seems to be on the horizon, somehow, mysteriously, reliably, an intifada breaks out?
 

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lol, unlike most Palestinians, my family was already ethnically cleansed. By Palestinian standards, I am a refugee. And, there already is a Palestinan homeland near where I live. :icon_smile:

Funny how I can catch insults just for posting a link to a movie I came across that was offered free for a couple of days. Makes me laugh....

I believe in treating others the same way you would wish to be treated. You support the way Palestinians are treated by Zionists, yet you would not want to be treated the same way the Zionists treat Palestinians.

That proves you know you are on the wrong side of this issue. You support oppression and injustice over freedom and justice.

Egypt's popular revolution had little to nothing to do with Israel. Egyptians want economic and political reforms. They are a long term threat to Zionist controlled Israel, but I doubt they will fight an overt war against Zionist controlled Israel. Most likely they will maintain faux border control and look the other way as Gazans increase the scale of their "underground" economy. People, goods and services will flow freely through the tunnels to Gaza and Egyptians will control trade on the Egyptian side.

Zionist adversaries will continue to smuggle arms and people into Gaza. The status quo is unsustainable. Zionist influenced US will reduce and eventually eliminate their bribes to a free and democratic Egypt. As the US sinks deeper into debt, Americans will face some tough decisions. At some point Americans will the bribes to the Zionist controlled dictator in Jordan and eventually Zionist controlled Israel. Eventually Zionist controlled Israel will fall. This event will either happen peacefully and voluntarily or it will end involuntarily and violently.
 

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Egypt's popular revolution had little to nothing to do with Israel.

Maybe so, but how long did it take before the crowds starting chanting "on to Jerusalem"?

Egyptians want economic and political reforms.

All the power to them.

They are a long term threat to Zionist controlled Israel, but I doubt they will fight an overt war against Zionist controlled Israel. Most likely they will maintain faux border control and look the other way as Gazans increase the scale of their "underground" economy. People, goods and services will flow freely through the tunnels to Gaza and Egyptians will control trade on the Egyptian side.

I see, so they're a threat, but not today. They need to build up their forces first, then they'll attack. That's very comforting.

Eventually Zionist controlled Israel will fall. This event will either happen peacefully and voluntarily or it will end involuntarily and violently.

Thank you for confirming what we have known all along.

Once the pesky Jews are eliminated, the Arabs can finally leave that godforsaken territory, and it will go back to being the dustbin it was in the 19th century. Al Aqsa what?
 

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Zionists and those who work to cleanse this region of non-Jews from this area are the problem. They are a diverse group which includes Israeli Jews and American Christians.

People who want to live in peace with their neighbors regardless of race or religion are not the problem. They are also a diverse group which also includes Israeli Jews and American Christians.

Zionist apologists try to frame this as a religious issue, specifically anti-Semitism, when really its about ethnic cleansing, human rights, freedom and justice regardless of race or religion.

Canada should support respect for human rights, freedom and justice and not unshakably support Zionists who commit war crime or crimes against humanity.
 

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Zionists and those who work to cleanse this region of non-Jews from this area are the problem. They are a diverse group which includes Israeli Jews and American Christians.

Hm. That would explain the American bias it seems.
 

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Zionists and those who work to cleanse this region of non-Jews from this area are the problem. They are a diverse group which includes Israeli Jews and American False Christians.

People who want to live in peace with their neighbors regardless of race or religion are not the problem. They are also a diverse group which also includes Israeli Jews and American False Christians.

Zionist apologists try to frame this as a religious issue, specifically anti-Semitism, when really its about ethnic cleansing, human rights, freedom and justice regardless of race or religion.

Canada should support respect for human rights, freedom and justice and not unshakably support Zionists who commit war crime or crimes against humanity.
You mislabeled one group above.

Canada will be lucky to not have to rule over some Nation, like Libya, so show we are part od the winners for democracy ands we have the experience at running Reservations to prove it. If not Libya there will be anther time/place where we have to show that NATO means more than human rights, in our land and abroad.
 

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For all the Jew-haters here is a link that, I daresay, you will have hard time to match with your Arab puppets:

Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

Hope that none of you, and neither your Palestinian pals will ever need a medical procedure invented/developed/discovered by a Jew, because knowing how straight-up and noble people you are, you would rather die than having to be grateful to a Jew.
 

YukonJack

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No Jewish criminals link? Go **** yourself Jack.

MHz, I provided the link that showed why anti-Jewish sentiment is wrong.

It is up to you to provide link that shows Jewish criminals, with or without profanity.

BTW, I have been banned for less than your post of unrestrained hate, profanity and abrasiveness.

So, be careful, there may be some who report your poison. Not me, though, I would not lower myself to your level.
 

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A link to any adequate list of Jewish criminals would be impossible to find. There have probably been millions of Jewish criminals in history. And criminality is so widespread throughout all groups of people that such a list would prove nothing. Nobel prizes, on the other hand, and much much rarer and so YukonJack's list is significant.

MHz's reaction to that list is telling. If I was arguing against Israel in this thread, I would have commented that YukonJack's point was irrelevant to the debate. MHz, on the other hand, sees an irrelevant point about successful Jews (not Zionists) and immediately reacts with hatred and implies some kind of Jewish criminality. In the past he was tried to argue that he doesn't hate Jews. Can there be any doubt now?
 

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The saddest thing is that this pseudo-Christian MHz is the biggest Bible-Thumper.

As a moderate Christian I am sure Jesus would look at MHz and weep.

And call him a Philistine, richly deserved.