The case for Israel

earth_as_one

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Judaism does not support what Zionists do to non-Jews in Zionist controlled Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Attempts to link criticism of Zionist human rights violations, war crimes and crimes against humanity with Jews or Judaism is called "bluewashing".

bluewash. (verb): the use of Jewish culture, religion, and heritage to try to cover up human rights abuses of Palestinians, while endangering the lives of Jews in Israel and around the world.

I believe in freedom of religion and separation of Church and State. I don't hold Jews as a group responsible for Zionist atrocities, war crimes and crimes against humanity. I judge people by their actions, not their religion.

I support holding people who commit war crimes and crimes against humanity, accountable for the actions.

I support freedom and justice and oppose oppression and injustice.
 
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Let's take a little break..
He hates all religions so what's your point? How about something current, just to show Christians don't have any balls left but they sure know how to suck.

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Of course, in Canada, under the Jewish Anti-Defamation League's hate laws, if a Christian uttered the phrase "good Jewish b*tch" in public, he could face a minimum fine of $5000 and more than $150,000 in legal fees. In America he could easily be fined and perhaps jailed by local governing bodies influenced by ADL.


Israel admits it covertly canceled residency status of 140,000 Palestinians
Document obtained by Haaretz reveals that between 1967 and 1994 many Palestinians traveling abroad were stripped of residency status, allegedly without warning.

Here is some history that is not part of the OP's vid.

http://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/398/

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When Hitler came to power, Germany was hopelessly broke. The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations on the German people, demanding that Germans repay every nation’s costs of the war. These costs totaled three times the value of all the property in Germany.
Private currency speculators caused the German mark to plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times. A wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread. The national treasury was empty. Countless homes and farms were lost to speculators and to private banks. Germans lived in hovels.
They were starving.
Nothing like this had ever happened before — the total destruction of the national currency, plus the wiping out of people’s savings and businesses. On top of this came a global depression. Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery under international bankers until 1933, when the National Socialists came to power. At that point the German government thwarted the international banking cartels by issuing its own money. World Jewry responded by declaring a global boycott against Germany.
 
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earth_as_one

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Who is the "World Jewry"? As soon as you treat an entire religious group as if they were part of an international conspiracy you loose me.

The why Zionist controlled Israel can deflect criticism of their war crimes and crimes against humanity is that some people really are anti-Semitic. Also I suspect some of the worst anti-Semitic loonies are actually Zionist plants. Its yet another way to discredit legitimate criticism of Zionist war crimes and crimes against humanity.
 

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Who is the "World Jewry"?
Why ask a stupid question, are you trying to give yourself up as a 'plant'? lol

Read the article, that is why (in part) was there, then cross reference how widespread the 'war/boycott' was. Jewish sources also report the boycott, I doubt it is broadcast very loud that it was in support of the Rothschild Bankers though. (check what the Banks got for a deal with the US in 1933) Also see who acts as their agents against Iceland from just a few years ago and it is still ongoing, then compare that to Ireland, coming back with increasing their debt load even though they could not pay on the 'old one'.

BTW, other than the OP you haven't said much about your opening post, is that by design??

Ireland's current situation.
http://dailybail.com/home/the-terrorist-who-got-awaystrikes-again.html
 
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lol so I imprisoned the entire world when I fenced my yard. Cool. I'm powerful.

The Apartheid walls don't surround Israeli citizens. They surround Israeli non-citizens.

If your neighbors build a wall around your yard and shoot you if you try to leave, then who is imprisoned? You, the person who can't leave your yard ,or your neighbors, the people who are free to come and go as they please and shoot you without fear of serious consequences?

BTW, that's not just my opinion, but the opinion of the world court:

"Israel is under an obligation to terminate its breaches of international law; it is under an obligation to cease forthwith the works of construction of the wall being built in the occupied Palestinian territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, to dismantle forthwith the structure therein situated," the court ruled.
World court tells Israel to tear down illegal wall | World news | The Guardian

These people are effectively prisoners in an Israeli concentration camp:

Bil’in is a Palestinian village that is struggling to exist. It is fighting to safeguard its land, its olive trees, its resources… its liberty.
By annexing close to 60% of Bil’in land for Israeli settlements and the construction of Israel’s separation wall, the state of Israel is strangling the village. Every day it destroys a bit more, creating an open air prison for Bil’in’s inhabitants.

Supported by Israeli and international activists, Bil’in residents peacefully demonstrate every Friday in front of the “work-site of shame”. And every Friday the Israeli army responds with violence, both physically and psychologically.

Bil’in residents have continued to withstand these injustices despite the frequent night raids of Israeli soldiers in the town followed by an increasing number of arrests of inhabitants and of activists. But now, the army has toughened the oppression by systematically arresting members of the Bil’in committee in charge of organizing the non-violent resistance actions. The aim of the arrests is to discourage Bil’in residents and reduce their resistance to the occupation.

By supporting Bil’in, you will help its inhabitants to continue their struggle and maintain hope in their fight for liberty. This site is dedicated to all people of good will - Palestinian, Israeli and the internationals who fight side by side against the injustices endured by the people of Bil’in.

Bil’in, an example of the injustice inflicted on Palestine


It is important to realize that what is going on in Bil’in is emblematic of the situation in all of Palestine:

  • The occupation of Palestine by the Israeli armed forces was condemned by United Nations’ Resolution 242, and by the International Court of Justice (ICJ).
  • The colonization of Palestinian lands, whether dubbed legal or illegal by Israel, was also condemned by UN Resolutions 242 and 338.
  • The construction of the Wall and annexation of lands to be converted into military zones are also condemned by the UN and the International Court of Justice (ICJ).
  • According to the UN, the presence of armed forces on a foreign territory, which the village of Bil’in is experiencing, is an illicit situation punishable by an international military intervention (as in Kuwait in 1991), as well as being a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
  • Armed repression during the demonstrations in Bil’in, equally prohibited by all international courts and bodies, is a violation of human rights, and is also prohibited by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
  • All forms of collective punishments are punishable, according to the Fourth Geneva Convention, and are considered as war crimes by the UN.
Reference documents


bilin-village.org | Discover Bil'in
 

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Israel controls the borders of all the occupied territories. They also collect Palestinian taxes and withhold them from the Palestinian people. These people are oppressed, forced into extreme poverty, denied fundamental human rights including the right to unobstructed food and medical humanitarian aid. They suffer war crimes and crimes against humanity....
I just got this in the mail:
Once again, Israel is showing everyone who the real man is here. It is busy carrying out (yet another ) robbery in broad daylight of $105 million from the Palestinians. And as usual, it is going off without a hitch.
The sum that is being stolen consists of customs duties on Palestinian imports that were collected at border crossings under Israeli control. According to the Oslo accords, this money must be transferred at the start of every month to the Palestinian Authority treasury, where it constitutes some two-thirds of the PA's revenues.
Full text here:
Israel is getting away with robbing Palestinian taxes - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
 

earth_as_one

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Why ask a stupid question, are you trying to give yourself up as a 'plant'? lol

Read the article, that is why (in part) was there, then cross reference how widespread the 'war/boycott' was. Jewish sources also report the boycott, I doubt it is broadcast very loud that it was in support of the Rothschild Bankers though. (check what the Banks got for a deal with the US in 1933) Also see who acts as their agents against Iceland from just a few years ago and it is still ongoing, then compare that to Ireland, coming back with increasing their debt load even though they could not pay on the 'old one'.

BTW, other than the OP you haven't said much about your opening post, is that by design??

Ireland's current situation.
The Terrorist Who Got Away...StrikesAgain - Home - The Daily Bail

I am sure many rich powerful people are Jewish. Some of them probably took advantage of a situation to make them richer and more powerful. But that's hardly evidence of a Jewish conspiracy. If you said that rich and powerful people were plotting to screw the middle class, I wouldn't even consider that to be news. I don't think the Jewish doctor who tends the residents at the longterm care facility where my wife works is secretly plotting anything except maybe his next vacation. Even though he is part of the "world Jewry" I doubt he knows anyone in the Rothchild family.
 

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There is no case FOR Israel.

They are an illegal occupation force on stolen land, end of discussion. It is time the international court exerted its authority and time the US stopped using its veto in the UN over every resolution against Israel.
 

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There is no case FOR Israel.

They are an illegal occupation force on stolen land, end of discussion. It is time the international court exerted its authority and time the US stopped using its veto in the UN over every resolution against Israel.

Ironically, you just made the BEST case for Israel in this whole thread. :)
 

earth_as_one

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There is no case FOR Israel.

They are an illegal occupation force on stolen land, end of discussion. It is time the international court exerted its authority and time the US stopped using its veto in the UN over every resolution against Israel.

I disagree.

Jews fleeing Nazi occupied Europe had to go somewhere. Most countries weren't accepting Jewish refugees. For many Jews, Palestine was their best option. However most UN decisions on this issue were biased in favor of the refugees and unfair to Palestinians already living in the region.

Occupations can be legal, but they come with responsibilities and obligations on the occupying force. Israeli violations of those responsibilities and obligations are illegal, not the occupation itself.

I am against solving one humanitarian catastrophe by creating another one. That's how we got into this problem. A fair and just solution must also be fair and just for everyone.
 

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These people are effectively prisoners in an Israeli concentration camp:

Sucks for some for sure. Fortunately the route is not written in stone and I believe has been challenged successfully in Israeli courts (how many Jewish grievances are heard in Palestinian courts?....oh yeah there aren't any, selling land to a Jew is a CAPITAL offence....makes Jews kinda rare in those parts) and the wall is also not meant to be permanent. The hardships of those experienced by the residents of Bel'in and Cankillya are the exception. Maybe if Abbass would sit down at the negotiating table instead of spewing preconditions and talking out of both sides of his mouth there would be some progress towards a brighter future for the kids of Bel'in.

If I was one of the thousands of Israeli's killed by terrorist attacks out of the West Bank in the late 20th century, I'd be giving your Bel'in story a great big boo hoo right about now.

And oh yeah, I am a refugee.
 

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The future of all non-Jews in Zionist controlled Israel and the Occupied Territories is life in prison. Israel is still building the prisons, but eventually all non-Jews including those with Israeli citizenship will be transferred to concentration camps in the West Bank and Gaza.

The Palestinian Papers show that Abbas was willing to sell out his people in exchange for becoming an independent dictator, rather than a puppet dictator. No matter what concessions he offered, Israel refused as they have no plans to ever allow Palestinians gain any level of real autonomy.

Here are some examples of some of the concessions Abbas offered Israel:

...During a series of meetings over the summer of 2008, Palestinian negotiators agreed to Israel's annexation of large swaths of East Jerusalem, including all but one of the city's Jewish settlements and parts of the Old City itself. It is difficult to imagine how the resulting patchwork of Palestinian enclaves in East Jerusalem, surrounded by Jewish settlements, could ever have functioned as the capital of the new state of Palestine.
At the earlier Camp David talks, according to official Israeli documents leaked to The Haaretz daily in 2008, Israel had proposed something very similar in Jerusalem: Palestinian control over what were then termed territorial "bubbles."
In the later talks, the Palestinians also showed a willingness to renounce their claim to exclusive sovereignty over the Old City's flashpoint of the Haram al-Sharif, the sacred compound that includes the al-Aqsa mosque and is flanked by the Western Wall. An international committee overseeing the area was proposed instead.
This was probably the biggest concession of all -- control of the Haram was the issue that "blew up" the Camp David talks, according to an Israeli official who was present.
Saeb Erekat, the PLO's chief negotiator, is quoted promising Israel "the biggest Yerushalayim in history" -- using the Hebrew word for Jerusalem -- as his team effectively surrendered Palestinian rights enshrined in international law.
The concessions did not end there, however. The Palestinians agreed to land swaps to accommodate 70 per cent of the half-a-million Jewish settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and to forgo the rights of all but a few thousand Palestinian refugees.
The Palestinian state was also to be demilitarized. In one of the papers recording negotiations in May 2008, Erekat asks Israel's negotiators: "Short of your jet fighters in my sky and your army on my territory, can I choose where I secure external defence?" The Israeli answer was an emphatic: "No."
Interestingly, the Palestinian negotiators are said to have agreed to recognize Israel as a "Jewish state" -- a concession Israel now claims is one of the main stumbling blocks to a deal.
Israel was also insistent that Palestinians accept a land swap that would transfer a small area of Israel into the new Palestinian state along with as many as a fifth of Israel's 1.4 million Palestinian citizens. This demand echoes a controversial "population transfer" long proposed by Avigdor Lieberman, Israel's far-right foreign minister.
The "Palestine Papers," as they are being called, demand a serious re-evaluation of two lingering -- and erroneous -- assumptions made by many western observers about the peace process.
The first relates to the United States' self-proclaimed role as honest broker. What shines through the documents is the reluctance of U.S. officials to put reciprocal pressure on Israeli negotiators, even as the Palestinian team make major concessions on core issues. Israel's "demands" are always treated as paramount.
The second is the assumption that peace talks have fallen into abeyance chiefly because of the election nearly two years ago of a rightwing Israeli government under Benjamin Netanyahu. He has drawn international criticism for refusing to pay more than lip-service to Palestinian statehood.
The Americans' goal -- at least in the early stages of Mr. Netanyahu's premiership -- was to strong-arm him into bringing into his coalition Tzipi Livni, leader of the centrist opposition party Kadima. She is still widely regarded as the most credible Israeli advocate for peace.
However, Ms. Livni, who was previously Mr. Olmert's foreign minister, emerges in the leaked papers as an inflexible negotiator, dismissive of the huge concessions being made by the Palestinians. At a key moment, she turns down the Palestinians' offer, after saying: "I really appreciate it."
The sticking point for Ms. Livni was a handful of West Bank settlements the Palestinian negotiators refused to cede to Israel. The Palestinians have long complained that the two most significant -- Maale Adumim, outside Jerusalem, and Ariel, near the Palestinian city of Nablus -- would effectively cut the West Bank into three cantons, undermining any hopes of territorial contiguity.
Ms. Livni's insistence on holding on to these settlements -- after all the Palestinian compromises -- suggests that there is no Israeli leader either prepared or able to reach a peace deal -- unless, that is, the Palestinians cave in to almost every Israeli demand and abandon their ambitions for statehood.
One of the Palestine Papers quotes an exasperated Mr. Erekat asking a U.S. diplomat last year: "What more can I give?"
The man with the answer may be Mr. Lieberman, who unveiled his own map of Palestinian statehood this week. It conceded a provisional state on less than half of the West Bank.
http://rabble.ca/news/2011/01/palestine-papers-israel%E2%80%99s-peacemakers-unmasked
 
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BTW, Selling Canadian land to Americans would probably be illegal here if the US policy was to annex any Canadian land owned by Americans.
 

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I am sure many rich powerful people are Jewish. Some of them probably took advantage of a situation to make them richer and more powerful. But that's hardly evidence of a Jewish conspiracy.
Are you trying to say the declaration of war that made headlines in 1933 didn't happen or that it was a very limited boycott??

If you said that rich and powerful people were plotting to screw the middle class, I wouldn't even consider that to be news. I don't think the Jewish doctor who tends the residents at the longterm care facility where my wife works is secretly plotting anything except maybe his next vacation. Even though he is part of the "world Jewry"
How would you feel about that if you were a member of the middle class?
Ask that good doctor if getting a phone-call from the Israeli FM where he speaks Hebrew and has it translated into English if a form of intimidation when the FM knows quite well that you understand Hebrew.

I doubt he knows anyone in the Rothchild family.
That doesn't mean other members don't and if they promote a certain agenda (by direction) who would be there to argue against it? The link below would promote that it was a united campaign.

http://www.biblestudysite.com/judeawar.htm



BTW, Selling Canadian land to Americans would probably be illegal here if the US policy was to annex any Canadian land owned by Americans.
Why use one UN 181 point ( I assume that is where it originated from) and toss 99 to the curb as not worth following?
 

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The maps, govts and authorities should be reset back to pre1946 and then let the Israeli's negotiate from there for land and rights without US interference because everything that has happened since that time has been done by force and without consent.
 

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The maps, govts and authorities should be reset back to pre1946 and then let the Israeli's negotiate from there for land and rights without US interference because everything that has happened since that time has been done by force and without consent.
And you think this will help solve the issue how?
 

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Why not follow the UN181 (now that Jews would have to be evicted), the lands was be be purchased over generations, that would mean the 700,000 and their relatives should have Israei citizenship papers and the next election might see an Arab majority, that would eventually swing over to being a Jewish majority as the Jewish population would eventually be more than Arab just by new birts, rather than by force.
If Palestine could get UN 181 repealed legally (in a UN Court) the Jews would be renters, that still gives them protection from persecution and a home that cannot be taken away. It isn't like every Jew in the world wants to live there at the moment anyway.