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Dexter Sinister

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Catholic guilt doesn't make you an atheist. Does it?
Not by itself, it just makes you feel bad for being human. In the most recent Catholic service I was at, which unfortunately was a young woman's funeral service about 16 months ago, I was struck by the fact that the priest three times invited us to consider what unworthy useless worms we all are, and once expected us to recite in unison a paragraph that began "I am unworthy..." I think that's a horrible message to give to anyone. The guilt that goes along with that won't make you an atheist, but if you have any self-respect it might start a train of thought that leads you to that conclusion.
 

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Not by itself, it just makes you feel bad for being human. In the most recent Catholic service I was at, which unfortunately was a young woman's funeral service about 16 months ago, I was struck by the fact that the priest three times invited us to consider what unworthy useless worms we all are, and once expected us to recite in unison a paragraph that began "I am unworthy..." I think that's a horrible message to give to anyone. The guilt that goes along with that won't make you an atheist, but if you have any self-respect it might start a train of thought that leads you to that conclusion.

I'm curious as to why you were there. It's not like your dead friend knew you were there, right? Hypocracy is the only thing I see.
 

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Not by itself, it just makes you feel bad for being human. In the most recent Catholic service I was at, which unfortunately was a young woman's funeral service about 16 months ago, I was struck by the fact that the priest three times invited us to consider what unworthy useless worms we all are, and once expected us to recite in unison a paragraph that began "I am unworthy..." I think that's a horrible message to give to anyone. The guilt that goes along with that won't make you an atheist, but if you have any self-respect it might start a train of thought that leads you to that conclusion.


i am laughing at "unworthy useless worms" and that could make you confused like this :D nevertheless, the idea of that saying should have been interpreted as an advice that expects humans should be simple and not forget the other "world" because of mortal life...
Clergy Sometimes can talk nonsense and be the reason to lose enthusiasm for any religion.

Many references have been posted over the last two years to show the who, where, whens and whys the bible was written to show that the whole thing was made up or based loosely on older texts from bygone empires. The whole Jesus myth has been shown to be nothing more than rehashes of Egyptian, Hindu and other previous gods and religions. The over whelming evidence is that the bible is a fraud as the word of god and should be considered in the same light as Aesop's Fables.

It is pointless to prove your assertions right or wrong based on the facts that your beliefs are interpretations of fables, myths and metaphors. Daniel and Revelations may or may not agree, but to base ones whole life on these myths as being the word of god makes no sense to those who know what these stories are. It is historically and scientifically provable that these stories are not what you believe them to be, so your insistence that anybody use these stories to prove you wrong is just plain silly. The only sensible course is to prove the stories wrong, which has been done time and time again. We can lead you to water, but we can't force you to drink.

i remember a documentary "Zeitgeist" about that.
 

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The overwhelming evidence is based on historical documents and on the books of the ancients. The story of the virgin birth, crucifixion and resurrection are all based on more ancient texts that bare the same story about more ancient gods.

I doubt that you will read this but here it is anyway: Illuminati News: Fraud in the Bible

You are only making a claim that the 'story' has to be original for it to be true. Having the story of Horus floating around does not affect the words in the bible. It only matters which 'story' is true. In this period of time (time of the Gentiles) there is nothing that will prove God is real one way or the other. You want God to supply proof while at the same time you ignore the prophecy that says 2/3 of the world will die in one day because they were not believers. (actually it is because of the murdering and thieving ect that determines their fate. Point is, if He was to provide proof to the world then how could Satan sway so many people to act in ways that are sure to bring punishment.

From your link.

"Pious Fraud in Translation

Let's take a look at the very first words of the book of Genesis. Note very carefully that the Hebrew culture, at the time of this writing, was not monotheistic, but rather, polytheistic. Will your priest, minister or preacher tell you that? No. But you can find out for yourself with a simple dictionary.

The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods. What is the first sentence in the Bible?"

Perhaps the author should have examined the actual text as there are several variations of that word. God, ,god, gods, Gods, and GOD. The one in all caps is the 'most authoritative form', next is the version with one capital letter and the non capitalized version only refers to fallen angels or men with authority over other men. Your article doesn't mention this item that is an 'aid' to understanding the words used. That means the true meaning has to be from the list, for Ge:1:1 it is this one
d) the (true) God

Lexicon Results
Strong's H430 - 'elohiym
אֱלֹהִים
Transliteration

'elohiym

Pronunciation

el·ō·hēm' (Key)


Part of Speech

masculine noun


Root Word (Etymology)

TWOT Reference

93c


Outline of Biblical Usage
1) (plural)
a) rulers, judges
b) divine ones
c) angels
d) gods
2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)
a) god, goddess
b) godlike one
c) works or special possessions of God
d) the (true) God
e) God

In this verse below there are two being listed, one is Christ and the other is His father. Which word is used for the father? If people aren't willing to accept thing like that no wonder the 'message' is gibberish to them. That is the readers error it has nothing to do with the quality of the Scriptures.

Zec:9:14:
And the LORD shall be seen over them,
and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning:
and the LORD GOD shall blow the trumpet,
and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.

"The forging of the name Adam from the Hebrew noun adam into a mythical proper name Adam, was after the so-called Exodus. The fraud in the forging of fictitious genealogies from "in the beginning" to Father Abraham."

The proper name of Adam is not used until 2:19 and again why does the author not reference something that clears up his charge of 'fraud'

Lexicon Results
Strong's H120 - 'adam
אָדָם
Transliteration

'adam

Pronunciation

ä·däm' (Key)


Part of Speech

masculine noun


Root Word (Etymology)

TWOT Reference

25a


Outline of Biblical Usage
1) man, mankind
a) man, human being
b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT)
c) Adam, first man
d) city in Jordan valley



Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 552
AVman 408, men 121, Adam 13, person(s) 8, common sort + 07230 1, hypocrite 1



"Who has a Soul?
In the original Hebrew texts, Man was created exactly the same as the other animals. All had or were 'nephesh hayyah' or living souls.

Remember, tho, that the reason there are two creation stories is because two culture's stories of creation were woven together by the early Hebrew priest craft.

Unknown scribes, in translation, made animals merely creatures, and "Creation's masterpiece, Man," became a "living soul." They falsely altered these plain words so as to deceive us into believing a special God-breathed soul is in man which is completely different from animal that merely perishes to dust.

The implication of this is that someone has fraudulently decided that we are a special creation that has a soul, and eliminated the actual words of what Genesis says. Now all other animals don't have a soul. According to the story, all things that live have a soul. So what happened here? Forgery. That's what happened."

Adam was created from dust and the breath of life, all other forms of 'flesh' were made 'after their kind' which is a reference to these heavenly beings.

Re:4:7:
And the first beast was like a lion,
and the second beast like a calf,
and the third beast had a face as a man,
and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

1Co:15:39:
All flesh is not the same flesh:
but there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of beasts,
another of fishes,
and another of birds.

God also keeps track of when men and other flesh give up the breath of life.

Lu:12:6:
Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings,
and not one of them is forgotten before God?

Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Also not that the 'plurality' of the words 'let us make man in our image' can be traced back to who was listed earlier in Ge:1. God and the Holy Spirit are mentioned.

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There Was No Continuous Hebrew Monotheistic Culture

When Yahveh appeared to Moses in the Burning Bush, and announced himself as "the God of thy fathers," he was a total stranger to Moses. How do I know? Read the account. It doesn't take a scholar to read where Moses ASKS who's taking. No, Moses wasn't merely surprised at the voice…he simply didn't know what was going on. (The fact that Moses is just a rehash of the Egyptian Mises is another essay altogether. But for the purposes of this essay, I'm pretending that Moses was a real person.)

Moses did not know this Yahveh, and had never heard of him. So that he asked, "What is thy name?" -so that he could report it to the people back home in Egypt, who had never heard it. After some intermission, the God came directly to the point, and declared-here are the exact words-one of the most notorious falsities in the Hebrew text:"

The term God of Abraham meant the same God of Noah, what difference does it make if He revealed that to a large group He would be called something that would be less confusing once He was God over 10,000 individuals at the same time.

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A Few Translations

These translations, while only three in number, will change your whole way of thinking about what is being presented in your Bible.

Son of Man: In all three major Semitic languages (Aramaic, Hebrew, and Arabic) the term barnasha means "human being". Jesus often referred to himself as a human being (28 times in the Gospels). Barnasha comes from bar (son) and nasha (man). The meaning of barnasha has created a lot of confusion in the Gospels. It is impossible to translate the Aramaic term of barnasha literally as "son of man" - and yet most biblical translators have and still do just that to this day. In the Aramaic language the word bar is combined with many other words to create different meanings - most specifically is means a "likeness." For example barabba means "resembles his father". Barhila translated literally would mean "son of power" but in reality it means "soldier". So when we read in the Gospels the phrase "son of man" it should be read correctly as "human being".

Son of God: The word bar means a likeness or resemblance to the suffix word. The Aramaic term that Son of God comes from is bardalaha. Translated literally as "son of God" it does not mean this. Bardalaha in reality means "like God" or "God-like". So when Jesus is referred to as the "Son of God" we should read this correctly as "God-like" or "like God". So what does that tell you about the translation we read in today's Bibles? It tells you that Jesus was not the Son of God - but that he was "God-like". There is a big difference. Jesus himself repeatedly referred to himself as a "human being". The Aramaic reference does not mean one is physically divine - it means there is an important spiritual relationship between God and the man whom is bestowed that phraseology. In addition, don't forget that the Council of Nicea in 325 CE voted to change the human Jesus to a supernatural being. It wasn't until that time that any church thought of Jesus as such.

Only Begotten Son: The world ehedaya is Aramaic. It is very important to understand its meaning when hearing that phrase being bantered about. When we read that Jesus was God's "only begotten son" - it is an incorrect translation of the Aramaic word. The term is found exclusively in the Gospel of John. The phrase we read in English was translated from a Greek word, monogenes. Monos means "single" or "one" and genos means "kind". So the Greek translation originally was with "one-of-a-kind". So where does 'begotten' come from? The Greek word genos is distantly related to the verb gennan which means "to beget". Thus, to translate monogenes as "only begotten" is improper and incorrect--which is an indication of an ill-trained translator being involved with the text. The actual translation should be "unique son" or "one-of-a-kind". The Aramaic word ehedaya means "sole heir" and "the beloved". So when we combine monogenes ehedaya we get "one-of-a-kind, beloved son". That's considerably different from 'only begotten son'."

The spelling makes all the difference, Son of Man is not found, the closest to that is where son has a capital letter and that signifies the person is God's begotten son, rather than being created.

Da:7:13:
I saw in the night visions,
and,
behold,
one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven,
and came to the Ancient of days,
and they brought him near before him.

Angels are more powerful than men yet on man is said to have more authority because He is God's begotten one and only son.

Heb:1:5:
For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
Thou art my Son,
this day have I begotten thee?

You should try questioning your own links a little cliffy.



i remember a documentary "Zeitgeist" about that.
There is also a follow-up vid.
Zeitgeist Refuted and Exposed

Even secular scholars have rejected the idea of Christianity borrowing from the ancient mysteries. The well-respected Sir Edward Evans-Pritchard writes in Theories of Primitive Religion that “The evidence for this theory… is negligible.” “The first real parallel of a dying and rising god does not appear until A.D. 150, more than a hundred years after the origin of Christianity. So if there was any influence of one on the other, it was the influence of the historical event of the New Testament [resurrection] on mythology, not the reverse. The only known account of a god surviving death that predates Christianity is the Egyptian cult god Osiris.In this myth, Osiris is cut into fourteen pieces, scattered around Egypt, then reassembled and brought back to life by the goddess Isis. However, Osiris does not actually come back to physical life but becomes a member of a shadowy underworld…This is far different than Jesus’ resurrection account where he was the gloriously risen Prince of life who was seen by

Zeitgeist Refuted and Exposed | Watch Free Documentary Online
 

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I offerer YJ a simple deal a few days ago. That was to bring god over for tea and then I would believe him. So far he hasn't come through. But a Muslim that I know said that is because YJ does not have the true god. I offered him the same deal. SO far his god hasn't put in an appearance either. Bring god over for tea and I will believe you. Very simple, all you have to do is provide physical proof. I'm not waiting for the end of the world because I don't think I will live that long. What could be more fair than that.
 

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Yukon Jack: I have a real simple deal for you. Since I do not believe there is such a thing as god and it is impossible to prove a negative, you, being a true believer can bring her over to my place for tea and smoke a fatty and talk about life, then I will believe you. Won't change how I live my life but I will then admit that you are right.
There ya go. :))

Not by itself, it just makes you feel bad for being human. In the most recent Catholic service I was at, which unfortunately was a young woman's funeral service about 16 months ago, I was struck by the fact that the priest three times invited us to consider what unworthy useless worms we all are, and once expected us to recite in unison a paragraph that began "I am unworthy..." I think that's a horrible message to give to anyone. The guilt that goes along with that won't make you an atheist, but if you have any self-respect it might start a train of thought that leads you to that conclusion.
I think that's what Anna was humerusly hinting at. lol

You are only making a claim that the 'story' has to be original for it to be true. Having the story of Horus floating around does not affect the words in the bible. It only matters which 'story' is true. In this period of time (time of the Gentiles) there is nothing that will prove God is real one way or the other. You want God to supply proof while at the same time you ignore the prophecy that says 2/3 of the world will die in one day because they were not believers. (actually it is because of the murdering and thieving ect that determines their fate. Point is, if He was to provide proof to the world then how could Satan sway so many people to act in ways that are sure to bring punishment.
So this god WANTS people to screw up and be sucked in by Satan? I think the god would be right psychotic if it existed. But, it doesn't.

Even secular scholars have rejected the idea of Christianity borrowing from the ancient mysteries. The well-respected Sir Edward Evans-Pritchard writes in Theories of Primitive Religion that “The evidence for this theory… is negligible.” http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/zeitgeist-refuted/
I have to go with MHz on this one, for a change (shocker, I know, because she's usually quite a bit off the mark). I think there is bound to be the occasional similarity between religions here and there, but I think they're coincidental.

http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMN..._Christianity_Borrow_From_Pagan_Religions.htm

http://www.evidenceandanswers.org/articles/Pagan Connection.pdf



Christianity and other religions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Hey, I think you're finally getting it. It musta boomeranged and smacked you in the back of the head. lol
His proof, that you accept as fact, is based on a written theory, no facts were ever involved yet you and he claim there is 'proof' that has been introduced.

So? Who cares how old it is.
One would think the Jews of the time of Jesus would have been celebrating all those verse being fulfilled rather than them still being part of the 70 weeks prophecy.

It is still logical.
Logic is a concept, it is not concrete. Using only the words from Daniel is more logical when trying to piece together what the prophecies mean that Daniel was given. That 'understanding also has be in the same context as the other references to the same events. What you find to be 'logical' is subject to being in error. "even in troublous times" covers the whole period of the 69 weeks. Given the choice God is going to write about the bruise to Christ's heel over some skirmishes that have zero effect on anything that the Bible considers important.

I doesn't answer a lot of the time because your questions are ridiculous.
So asking two questions that are about the use of the same terms, 'end of sacrifice' and 'covenant', is a ridiculous question(s)? I would agree that the answer has 'dire consequences' for Dex't 'understanding' and to say 'No', flat-out would seem to be more than a little on the stupid side of life. There can only be one end to sacrifice when dealing with the Temple in Jerusalem.

And that's likely the result of you basing everything you know on a book whose only authority is itself.
I hope you are meaning 'everything I know about the Bible' or can we expand this topic to include every topic I have ever posted on as being in error because I believe in the Bible so I must be mentally deficient in all matters? That is a statement and a question.

Or is willing to waste his time explaining to you.
I read everything he presented more that 10 years ago. The article was much better than Dex's explanation that was down to the numbers that dies in each of the battles mentioned in Da:11. They couldn't fit it in without introducing a 'magical' time jump where none is indicated. Having those things in your theory means you should not give up looking for a better explanation.

Like I said, your version of the Bible which uses itself as its own reference. Freakin hilarious. Nah. Logic beats self-referencing bafflegab.
Why do you think they have a new reference number every 20 words or so, it is to help look things up because that is what you need to do to understand the prophecies. For OT family ties it should be a straight read.

2Tm:3:16:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof,
for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:


Since you have never posted even one verse from the Bible you must be the highest authority on the Bible on this thread, using your logic that is. I'm going to stick with something a little closer to the words that can be found in the Bible.

Obviously. We'd at least be able to figure out how to get in. You'd be still looking for "physics lab" in the library to see what one is.
I would head for the theology dept when the Bible is the topic. Your whole argument revolves around physical proofs about God existing or not. The prophecy discussion do not involve that aspect, it is piecing together the actual word in print, to do that you have to open the book. That is where we part company, if Dex won't answer those two little question the why don't you clear up the matters? Both can be as simple as a 'yes or no', how hard is that really?

Well, at least according to you and your interpretation, maybe. All I have to say to that is that it'd have been a lot more sensible to have just stated things so people could easily understand them if you wanted to get a message across. Nostradamus disguised his prophecies in poetry, but he had a reason. He didn't want to be tormented and persecuted. What's your god's excuse?
God told one story (prophecies) but the dictation took centuries. That is why it is broken up into 'pieces'. That part is explained by God also so all I am doing is reading,

Isa:28:9:
Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa:28:10:
For precept must be upon precept,
precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line;
here a little,
and there a little:

If you don't like the fact that God referenced the term 'day of the Lord' some 20 times in the OT Prophecies and they are all for one event that will unfold as being the day the 7th trump sound in Revelation 11 then you are not paying attention to all the words in those references, I doubt you or Dex have even read them or you would be able to state which time is the most 'questionable' when context is the issue.

Is that what you read?
The same person who wrote that verse was also in the verse below so it was an eye-witness account from start to finish. How can you misunderstand what the verse says? Is every writer of Scripture a liar also?

Joh:1:35:
Again the next day after John stood,
and two of his disciples;
Joh:1:36:
And looking upon Jesus as he walked,
he saith,
Behold the Lamb of God!
Joh:1:37:
And the two disciples heard him speak,
and they followed Jesus.

1Jo:1:1:
That which was from the beginning,
which we have heard,
which we have seen with our eyes,
which we have looked upon,
and our hands have handled,
of the Word of life;


Was that a question or something?
Obviously

Can you say that in English please?
The 3 times cover the brusie to the seed of Eve and the bruise to Satan's head and the aftermath when both bruises are complete. That helps you sort out the various prophecies as they all pertain to one of those 3 events.

Ah, the self-referencing bit again.
Here is another example.

Lu:3:6:
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

1Co:15:39:
All flesh is not the same flesh:
but there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of beasts,
another of fishes,
and another of birds.

And Dawkins (I figure that's who you meant by "Hawkins") is clear when he writes and speaks. He doesn't write his books so that you see a comment and then have to skip here hither and yon throughout the book to find similar comments. It's called "coherency" in writing skills. Similar issues are all in one chapter. Other similar issues have their own chapter and so on. There's a lot more topics to write about nowadays than 2 or 3 thousand years ago.
So does Daniel and Revelation and you are talking about a book that one author wrote over the space of a year or so compared to 100's of years. Hebrews 12 and Isaiah 65 are one passage, I doubt you understand the full meaning of the words. This is a prophecy given that has yet to run it entire course.

De:4:30:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;

I don't need a book to use reason against folly.
You need to open it and read if you are going to have an 'opinion' or like Dex you can borrow one with no questions asked or left hanging.

I know what it said. I'm still not impressed. Like I said before I went to get my tea, "I am going to get a cuppa tea". Are you impressed?
About your short term memory, very impressed but you have some distance to go before you can get a prescription.

Funny. I was staying on concept and you just veered right off the road. I meant that you are selective in which posts you read here. Especially if they can disprove yours.
I read then all, yours and Dex's are pure disapproval yet I reply to the questions so your post is a lie basically.

You didn't. So it was a nonsense post you made?
I thought is was your trip for the tea that made you lose your train of thought.

roflmao Bad attempt at spin. Your Bible can hardly be called a wheel.
It would be a bit more complicated than that, perhaps a whole vehicle would be more apt.

So why can't you figure it out yourself? Dex relies on somebody else to explain it to him, yet it is an incomplete explanation that for Dex is 'close enough' the Bible is not worth my own time and energy. lol

Below 0 it is ice, not -200.

Once it evaporated and once it was past Neptune you can rest assured that all earth's water will be found only in the form of ice. Are you suggesting that those small crystals have enough mass to make the collect into a series of large ice balls before the enter the next solar system that it becomes a part of.

Does it matter? The point behind revision is that it increasingly gets closer to the facts based on evidence. Religions simply base everything on an assumption and only revise when science makes it look foolish.
All the while claiming it already is based on 'all the facts' which would be a claim that no revisions will ever be needed. At the moment you believe the science to have the facts yet you hesitate to put a number on how many times those 'facts' are in error.

I don't have a doctrine.
I claim they are sillyass because the Bible is sillyass.
Keep it that way.
 

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I'm curious as to why you were there. It's not like your dead friend knew you were there, right? Hypocracy is the only thing I see.
That's because you're not much of a thinker and, at least in the persona you present here, lack all compassion. She was a relative, a cousin on my wife's side, I went out of compassion and respect for the family. It's probably too much to expect you to keep your mean little jibes to yourself here, but at least sometimes try to behave like the Christian you claim to be.
 

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Theories require evidence. Hypotheses are even educated guesses. Not enough reference material.
Remember the game 'Clue', you were given various clues that you used to solve a mystery. Would you increase you chances of getting it right is you fired up a game of "Risk' at the same time?

Are you following along, the question has been asked a long time ago and he did not reply, it was beneath him.

Why? What's the point of knowing the future even if it could be done?
One practical use would be to spot a deception for those who would try and claim they were the God of the Bible and as such 'own everybody'. There are certain 'tasks' that have to be completed that shows in physical proof that the hand of God is at work rather than the hand of man wanting to be God. That is why all the perversions that start to say 12 verses about how a long dead body is brought back to physical life is not about resurrection of the body it is about a spiritual awakening. The spiritual awakening takes the form of this reference.

Joe:2:28:
And it shall come to pass afterward,
that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
your old men shall dream dreams,
your young men shall see visions:
Joe:2:29:
And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

The Bible uses that last term quite often to describe 'enlightenment' the other reference is to a body that will live long enough to make use of being 'enlightened'.

I'll be long dead before and if (huge if) that happens.
If it does happen while you are alive you can start counting the number of days before all of mankind faces judgment.

Good plan. I tend to see things from as many different angles as I can. It usually results in my being quite accurate. It also makes me feel sorry for people who have only 1 perspective. Really? I don't remember any date written in Genesis 3.
Somebody took the time to add up all the generations, last I checked it was at 4,004 BC that Adam and Eve left the Garden. All scripture was written before 100AD so I am using a date similar to that even though the actual time where the sun could cast a shadow on the earth could have been some time earlier, The end of day was 4,004,000,000. The beginning of that day would have been when the first portion of the heavens was first created. Today that is as much as 10 billion years earlier than a day/night cycle on this planet.

45,000 years ago? Modern man is about 200,000 years old. Human relatives go back even further. Sharks are over 16 million years old.
You mean when humans could still change the number of chromosomes we carry.
Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes and other great apes have 24 pairs of chromosomes.

45,000 was the end date for day 6, what if Adam was created at the beginning of day 6, 450,000 years ago and Eve was created at the close of that day.

Are you sure you could have a child by a man from that time period? If not then you are promoting the species jump theory again.

See my previous comment.
The seas for the sharks started to form by the end of day 2, 450,000,000 years ago. They were completed by the end of day 6', when plants and trees first appeared they did not have to fill the earth before the next day began, they were completed by 40,040 BC.
Ge:1:31:
And God saw every thing that he had made,
and,
behold, it was very good.
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

So my sharks were swimming around in space?
Everything came from other places, some day science might even tackle where that nothing came from that created a big bang. lol

We have plant fossils from the Cambrian period of the Paleozoic era. The Cambrian was from about 540 million to about 490 million years ago.
That's fine as the length of day 3 was from 400,400,000 - 40,04,000 years. Moisture was available as early as 4,004,000,000 years ago and the plants of day 3 were seed bearing plants, plants that used other methods could have been there as soon as there was moisture in the air.. "herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself"

There's evidence that Earth had water 4.3 billion years ago.
There is still a window of 'error' that is in play. It also depends what stage the solar system was in when the starting point is determined. Foe Genesis it is the first time the earth was in light and shadow.

Last estimate I saw said Earth is 4.7 billion years old. But most scientists think it's 4.55 billion years old.
That 150M year variance is very close to the time it took for the crust of our Oceans to form (180M)

Yup. Clear enough. It looks like these "days" varied in length from 4.05 billion years to 41,500 years long.
Where does it say that the '6 steps' followed a rigid set of time based on what our world experiences. Creation was already in day 4 before our time was defined by giving the sun and moon names and duties. Mark the passage of the days, the seasons and the years.

So this god WANTS people to screw up and be sucked in by Satan? I think the god would be right psychotic if it existed. But, it doesn't.
The seriousness of being 'out of step' means salvation comes to them one day latter (when using God's definition of the 1,000 years that people are dead and/or in hell. I would think the complaint would be valid if there was no salvation from death or hell after that date. lol

2Pe:3:8:
But,
beloved,
be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe:3:9:
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise,
as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward,
not willing that any should perish,
but that all should come to repentance.
 

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Good post, Goob. It made me think that if there was a god interested in us and it was truly merciful, kind, all-powerful, etc. and it did intend people to develop religions, it'd most likely make those people able to develop the religions to attract rather than to need people to go out and "witness". It's a lot easier to be led than to be pushed.

Chalk up another failure.
Anna G

Thank you

I think man as one physicist put is but a small part of Gods Plan - Many people have a sense of self importance based upon the wrong things - And self worth is based upon in my opinion on what you do, how you help, do you care, are you there, and things of that nature.

Me to myself - I am about as important as a flea bite on a Giant Dwarfs Gnats Ass - To others I have value/ worth/respect etc because of how I live and what I mentioned above.
To others I am just an ahole - and that is fine as well - Part of living I would say
 

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Anna G

Thank you

I think man as one physicist put is but a small part of Gods Plan - Many people have a sense of self importance based upon the wrong things - And self worth is based upon in my opinion on what you do, how you help, do you care, are you there, and things of that nature.

Me to myself - I am about as important as a flea bite on a Giant Dwarfs Gnats Ass - To others I have value/ worth/respect etc because of how I live and what I mentioned above.
To others I am just an ahole - and that is fine as well - Part of living I would say

The message of the major religions emphasizes forgiveness, peace and pacifism, being non judgmental, charity, and brotherhood. If adherents lived the message rather than the myths the world would profit. The myths vary but seem to endure; the message is ignored both here and abroad! Pity!
 

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The message of the major religions emphasizes forgiveness, peace and pacifism, being non judgmental, charity, and brotherhood. If adherents lived the message rather than the myths the world would profit. The myths vary but seem to endure; the message is ignored both here and abroad! Pity!
Yes, if it wasn't for the all invasive hypocrisy among the religious there wouldn't be droves running away from it.
 

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Yes, if it wasn't for the all invasive hypocrisy among the religious there wouldn't be droves running away from it.
And all Non believers are such model citizens - Right Cliffy - Your being a tad hypocritical now i would say -
 

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And all Non believers are such model citizens - Right Cliffy - Your being a tad hypocritical now i would say -
Are we back to this? I am a believer like you. I just have no need for religion because it fosters an attitude of us and them. The hypocrisy is that Jesus taught brotherly love, forgiveness and tolerance. I don't see a lot of that among the religious particularly those who profess a belief in Jesus. I try to live my life according to the teachings that are inherent in most religions. But I would never say that I am religious because I don't want to be associated with any of them. If that is being hypocritical, Then so be it.
 

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Are we back to this? I am a believer like you. I just have no need for religion because it fosters an attitude of us and them. The hypocrisy is that Jesus taught brotherly love, forgiveness and tolerance. I don't see a lot of that among the religious particularly those who profess a belief in Jesus. I try to live my life according to the teachings that are inherent in most religions. But I would never say that I am religious because I don't want to be associated with any of them. If that is being hypocritical, Then so be it.

Cliffy

Where we disagree is that you confuse a person actions ( Massacres, Wars etc) with their so called belief in religion and i do not.

That is why I stated what I did. It is not the religion it is the person.
 

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It is not the religion it is the person.
Religion doesn't get off the hook that way. Religion is often a powerful driver for the way people behave, and to the extent that a religion and its leaders tell people to do bad things, the religion is responsible. Religion isn't some abstract Platonic ideal separate from the people who practice it, it IS the people who practice it; without them it wouldn't exist.
 
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