If one wishes to define all tax write-offs as 'subsidies' then we simply include everything.
... Kinda silly really, but sometimes that's the way you have to go
... Kinda silly really, but sometimes that's the way you have to go
Tesla's electric cars aren't as green as you might think
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I fully realize it is not fashionable or politically correct to those with mindless CONservative minds. But we have gone over this more than enough times and all you have to do is to read my links such as:
$1 TRILLION in Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies & the Urgent Need for Transparency - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International
Fossil Fuel Subsidies: Overview - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies
'The federal government provides financial support for the development, production, and use of fuels and energy technologies both through tax preferences and through spending programs administered by the Department of Energy (DOE)''
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/50980
Google spending programs if you want more truthful data rather than the right wing propaganda bullshït that you believe in.
Mind you that this last source is from the government itself.
You are referencing a publication from a lobby group gopher.
regardless, does your ability to write-off the financing charges on your home count as a subsidy?
it's a fair question
regardless, does your ability to write-off the financing charges on your home count as a subsidy?
it's a fair question
I do not own a house and am a renter.
The link is from the CBO, not a lobby group. If you can prove to me that a government report is incorrect, then I shall gladly believe you.
Wasting your time, Gopher. No matter what iron-clad evidence you submit technophobes like CM will always deny them.
First paragraph of the doc
"In fiscal year 2015, the federal government supported the development, production, and use of fuels and energy technologies through tax preferences totaling $15.8 billion and spending by the Department of Energy totaling $5.4 billion"
Tax preferences aren't subsidies and assuming the the Dept of Energy spending $$ (5.4 billion) as direct subsidies is not necessarily accurate.
Your comment about being a renter is moot, as you also have direct experience with the IRS (from what I recall).
That said, you would be able to answer, quite directly, if the ability to write-off the financing charges on a personal home are indeed, subsidies.
... You're avoiding the question is what is happening
Here is a nice little reminder that LIE-berals care NOTHING for logic- for them everything revolves around buying votes and clinging to power at any price! And jamming electric cars down our throats is major LIE-beral policy- and cost be damned!
Here is another article illustrating yet another LIE-beral failure as they desperately try to promote their electric car mess- the total screw up that is an extension of their costly mouldy green energy fiasco! With some comments of my own in brackets):
(Ontari-owe LIE-berals have been working very hard to turn our electrical system into a giant slush fund for their pals. First- they offered up huge incentives for builders of wind and solar power generators- that ERASED the property rights of people living near the noisy eye sores! Then LIE-berals sold off a chunk of our electrical system to private investors- meaning select LIE-beral pals- and then drove up electrical costs further to obtain the gravy their investor pals demanded! And now LIE-berals are messing with electric car business- apparently in hope of collecting huge windfall profits by using our tax money to force us out of gas cars and into electric cars that are dependent on the LIE-beral electrical grid- meaning even more profit for LIE-beral electric slush fund!)
(LIE-berals recently set up a contract to get private companies to install and maintain electric car charging stations around Ontari-owe and the results are the usual LIE-beral failure! A new Mississauga based company KSI was chosen to instal and maintain 337 chargers- and in the specified contract period- only slightly over half of them were installed and many of them are said to malfunction regularly- in the same fashion as those failing Presto TTC card readers!)
Among the top EV charging network firms that bid on the contract apart from KSI were Quebec-based Arza Network Canada Inc. which submitted a $14.6-million bid, Toronto’s Plug’n Drive at $16 million and Vaughan’s Autochargers.ca at $20 million. KSI submitted the cheapest proposal at $10.8 million and received final approval for $11.4 million because three other approved funding recipients withdrew from the program and the ministry decided to reallocate that money.
(Three approved bidders dropped out when LIE-berals started fiddling with the subsidies? AS I have said- take away govt subsidies and electric car and mouldy green energy deals DIE! Its only LIE-beral greed keeping this “industry” alive!)
Gleb Nikiforov, the CEO of Autochargers.ca, said he submitted a 2,200-page proposal — 400 pages contained referrals from well-known companies in the electric vehicle industry, including ChargePoint equipment — to install chargers at 100 locations predominantly in the corridors between major cities.
(A 2200 page proposal? Did the ministry not write its own specifications? Or did Nikiforov IGNORE govt specs and write his own? And what makes him think civil service union Hogs are capable of properly assessing his massive document in the available time anyway? Is this an example of B.S. trying to baffle dumb Hogs?)
Nikiforov said the Ministry of Transportation stopped communicating with him two weeks prior to announcing the winning bids — though he says his biggest beef isn’t with ministry officials, but with the unreliability of the company that won.
(Perhaps they stopped talking to him because he wrote his own specs instead of bidding on what govt asked for? LIE-berals are not fit to set up a new industry anyway so how can they deal with the 2200 page Nikiforov business “vision”?)
“We were extremely disappointed. The province could have had the best equipment, which are backed up by the best companies in the market,” said Nikiforov. “We had a very solid proposal. They ceased all communication with us and we weren’t even awarded a single location.
“A lot of municipalities went through the request-for-proposal process after they were awarded the initial funds, so that was weird. How they calculated the money allotted based on that, I don’t know.”
(For LIE-berals everything is about rewarding friends and punishing enemies- a cynic must assume that KSI is a LIE-beral pal! After all- one would have to suspect a low bid- that is nearly ONE THIRD BELOW the next bidder- offered by an inexperienced company- versus a higher bid from a company with lots of experience? Unless you were a LIE-beral seeking to BUY pals?)
Nikiforov speculates the government blindly went with the cheapest bidder, and the cheapest bidder made what may turn out to be a fatal error.
“I think (KSI) went full throttle on it and promised too much and the ministry believed them and they didn’t fulfill their promise,” he said. “Their approach of creating their own software – a small company like that, with that little money, it’s impossible. ChargePoint is the largest company in the industry. They spent $100 million on software to make it work. There’s a Blink network in the U.S. that used the same approach as KSI and they got bankrupted.”
Vic Burconak President of KSI #Mississauga speaking @OntMinTransport event – watch live now https://t.co/YtPSfmkRaT pic.twitter.com/Vi7tHc8jmC
— VVC Productions (@VVCAudioVisual) April 28, 2016
KSI is the brainchild of Vic Burconak, listed on his LinkedIn profile as president and CEO of the company and who describes himself as a “senior business executive with over 25 years of sales and operational experience launching, building and managing businesses.”
“A visionary sales executive with a passion for the ‘hunt’ and proven track record for over achieving goals by implementing strategies that endear clients, drive revenue and secure new accounts,” the profile said. “Outstanding ability to ‘close.’”
(IN other words they guy is a salesman with a glib manner and no real experience with electric cars or their charging systems- nor with the software that runs them and which also allows for automated billing through credit cards!)
The Manitoba native lists himself as a past managing partner of Koben Homes, where he said he flipped homes and condos and then worked for iBuild management software for residential builders and renovators. He also worked as an actor on a Canadian TV series called, Masterminds.
(OH! He is an actor- that will be useful in dealing with LIE-berals! And flipping homes will give so much training for developing costly software! With LIE-berals- everything is about politics and optics- business details are not IMPORTANT!)
According to an Ontario provincial corporation profile report, KSI was incorporated on Oct. 7, 2010, and headquartered at his home on Crestdale Rd. in Mississauga. Burconak registered a new address in a commercial plaza on Dunwin Dr. three years later, according to Industry Canada documents, who list the green energy company with 50 or few shareholders.
Burconak’s estranged sister, Kristyn Kelly, alleges her brother used an inheritance after their parents died in 2012 and 2013 to fund his company. The Sun was shown e-mails regarding the parents’ estate division sent to Kelly using Burconak’s KSI company e-mail.
“He started this business and he doesn’t have any knowledge of electric vehicle charging systems,” she said.
Kelly, 52, said their relationship growing up in Winnipeg was strained. She characterized him as “narcissistic.” She added he doesn’t own an electric car and instead opts to drive “a giant gas-guzzling Dodge Ram pickup.”
(OH! There is a gassed up little detail LIE-berals will NOT want discussed! Their star electric car promoter WILL NOT DRIVE ONE! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
“I think he created KSI solely to make money. He won’t be a success at it,” she said. “He has no experience building these networks … He’s not competent to do this kind of work. He has the initiative to make money, but not to satisfy customers.”
(Oh lets take a cynical guess that even though KSI may never complete its charging installations properly- we may guess that Burconak WILL make money from our ever wasteful Hogs!)
The proponents of EVs and related self sufficiency through renewable electricity are deliberately quiet about the intensity of the path needed to achieve their goals.
Eventually this will happen, however the manner in which they promote a form of willful ignorance will come back to bite them in the backside eventually
Eventually this will happen, however the manner in which they promote a form of willful ignorance will come back to bite them in the backside eventually
What has this boring nonsense got to do with anything? BWT you wouldn't be a technophobe by any chance would ypu?
Technophobe? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Legitimate fear of being bankrupted by LIE-beral knuckleheads has nothing to do with technology!
Here is an old post I wrote in early 2017 and the points made are valid and are now proven!
I think we should call Toronto public transit the “Bitter Way” due to the quality of service it now delivers! TTC now seems incapable of getting through a single week without having a major failure someplace in the system- especially during cold weather.....thus creating the “bitter” experience for long suffering riders who DON' T have any alternative than to ride the DUD red rocket!
To be fair-John Tory inherited this TTC mess along with the Metro Toronto Housing miss-management team and these messes have been built on years of greed by civil service Hogs and the politicians they have chosen for their willingness to fuel the socialist silly hall gravy train INSTEAD of making sure that CRITICAL infrastructure was maintained and updated where necessary! However, Sorry Tory is proving he is entirely willing to sit on his duff and fiddle like Nero as Toronto Transit crumbles.
So it’s going to be a LONG 4 years for Jackass JOHN, the Sorry Tory…..though there will be LOTS of photo ops for him….but I don’t think he will enjoy them!!! He will have lots of chances to explain those brick walls that are now falling off Metro Toronto Housing Authority buildings while MTHA chiefs pocket obscene bonuses; plenty of time to explain in detail how at least 400 MILLION dollars (and STILL counting!) disappeared up the Spadina subway; he can run around like a little Dutch boy plugging his fingers into the crumbling pipes that supply our water and flush away our waste; he can cry endless crocodile tears as aged and impoverished residents are evicted from MTHA housing that will be condemned for rot and rats and drug deals gone bad ; and he can even tell thousands of commuters that they will not be able to use the Gardner Expressway any more, once enough concrete crumbles off it to scare city officials into closing it! Too bad Jackass John won’t ever get around to FIXING any of the problems as he is much more concerned with handing out rich gravy to the Working Family clowns who put him in power….for just THAT reason!
But the capper to his crapper career will be explaining (probably in his `memoirs`) why he was not able to build any transit…..no subway, no LRT and not even his short cut smart track crap….Metrolinx gravy train riders will study it to death….at the usual HUGE expense…..and DO NOTHING USEFUL!!!!! GET USED TO IT!!!! This is the face of BANKRUPTCY!!!! All talk of great dreams and no money to do ANYTHING......and its ALL the fault of some other level of government.....which just happens to be wrestling with its own array of troubles!
Jackass John, the Sorry Tory seems not to understand that he has the chance to make a CHOICE here. He can either hand out rich gravy and bonuses to Working Family slobs (as he is expected to) and make them happy for this year and they will then come back next year like drug addicts for another gravy `fix` and if he chooses this road he will then go down in the record books as the WORST Toronto mayor ever.....OR.... he can grow a spine and take a stand and cut the gravy and spend the money thus saved to repair things and then go into the history books as a strong and independent and responsible mayor that served the true MAJORITY of Toronto residents and if he follows this road and defies the Hogs, he may get SEVERAL MORE terms in office and will be remembered fondly and proudly after he is ready to retire.
Somebody needs to tell Jackass John that he better pick his fights quickly....oh, I know he has a 4 year term....but we all know that the 4th year is spent by city council in a dog fight to secure a chance at re-election and nothing meaningful will be done in that last year except make worthless promises. Jackass John only has 3 useful years and he has already wasted HALF of the first one!
It’s been a week since Jackass John the Sorry Tory exposed his failings as a mayor YET AGAIN! In the same week we were told that Metro Toronto Housing Authority handed out its usual obscene salaries along with a pile of outrageous `performance` bonuses-the `performance` apparently being based on nothing more than an ability to spout nonsense through a mouth stuffed full of RICH GRAVY while counting up an insane list of entitlements that we cannot hope to pay for. We also had Jackass John-the Sorry Tory whining to the media that MTHA tenants would be homeless in 7 years as their buildings will be CONDEMNED and shuttered due to the ruined and neglected condition of the buildings. Jackass believes this is the fault of the province and the federal government.....nothing to do with that HUGE, BLOATED, OVERFED GRAVY TRAIN running through Socialist Silly Hall! What a Maroon that Sorry Tory is!
Based on number of inhabitants, people of Toronto ALREADY get TEN TIMES MORE money from Queens Park than any other municipality!! And yet Jackass EVEN WANTS MORE!!!!
Jackass apparently does not read newspapers and is unaware that Ontari-owe is bankrupt thanks to the idiot spending of Lie-berals led by McWynnty-the shameless Ontari-owhore who has sold herself, her party and our future to Working Family Coalition!
Previous mayor Rob Ford at least had the guts to shame MTHA into selling off a few of the hundreds of single family dwellings they own-the majority of these dwellings sit empty and derelict and uninhabitable due to the range of repairs needed to bring them up to a livable standard...repairs that MTHA cannot afford to do.....and so the properties sit....rotting AND COSTING MONEY that MTHA DOES NOT HAVE! The shuttered properties must be guarded and secured against vandalism, lawns mowed, snow on sidewalks shovelled and the work must be done by costly Gravy Train Riders.
If the city would follow Fords lead in this- those uninhabitable but still valuable properties (as land downtown is hugely expensive) would be sold and the money be used to make a dent in the number of repairs needed at multi-family MTHA buildings that are still inhabitable (BARELY!) to PREVENT them from being condemned in the near future! And the properties that were sold would become income generators for the city-there would be jobs produced as the properties were renovated and then taxes paid on the refurbished buildings and somebody else (rather than costly Gravy Train Hogs) would shovel the snow and mow the grass and secure the buildings.....but all this is too easy for Jackass John....he wants the easy way, the INSANE way! Not content with leading a bankrupt city, Jackass John wants to bankrupt us ALL by getting other levels of government involved in Hogtown madness !!!
The ttc is a green alternative that runs on electricity and which one can observe for how it has worked out over the years, as opposed to the usual green PIPEDREAMS (which could NEVER come true!) which we normally get bombarded with, so that subject is on topic...
and they do kind of suck these days.
USSR here we come.
and they do kind of suck these days.
USSR here we come.
The ttc is a green alternative that runs on electricity and which one can observe for how it has worked out over the years, as opposed to the usual green PIPEDREAMS (which could NEVER come true!) which we normally get bombarded with, so that subject is on topic...
and they do kind of suck these days.
USSR here we come.
How is the electrikery to run this system generated?
The aroma of delicious fresh baked cinnamon buns is the magical source of this unlimited electricity.
i was told this by the guy that invented the interwebs, therefore, it is fact
Oh pity the poor Bar Sinister.....struggling to find something to say in defense of his beloved LIE-berals! And how tragic for Bar that all LIE-beral policy is collapsing in disgrace! Bar has no serious argument to offer. No insight to present. He certainly has no facts for us. He offers only mindless parroting of disgraced LIE-beral propaganda that is intended only to serve LIE-beral entitlements and ignores logic and economic reality!
Some goof wrote a piece about how fast some electric cars can accelerate! Who cares how fast a car goes from 0-60 when it spends 99 percent of its life shuffling along nose to tail in a jam with hundreds of other cars! And who needs the speeding tickets and demerit points and insurance surcharges as well?
Reliability, fuel efficiency, purchase price, modest repair cost- and that other thing NO electric car currently has- good towing and cargo capacity are the things Cdns are seeking! Strap a roof rack or a trailer onto an electric car and watch the range PLUMMET! Better yet- strap on some gear and send it out in freezing weather- and watch it getting TOWED HOME to the re-charger because the range dropped by fifty percent thanks first, to the over 25 percent drop in range simply due to cold, then add in MORE RANGE LOST due to running a heater, a defroster, and headlights in snowing conditions- then subtract EVEN MORE RANGE due to the cargo its hauling- that it was NOT designed to do!
OH- and another LIE-beral deal- Ontari-owe currently has one of the LEAST RELIABLE electrical distribution systems in North America! It NEEDS to be rebuilt- and LIE-beral will tell us that electric cars NEED the improvements to "save the environment" FOR LIE-BERALS!!! It will be a great excuse- new jobs- for LIE-beral union Hogs! Raises in pay for everybody- who is a LIE-beral pal! And we get to PAY for Hog greed yet again! The system NEEDS rebuilding because Hogs NEGLECTED it in their greed for gravy!
And WHO CARES that battery technology is advancing so fast that any charging setup that LIE-berals waste billions on today may be OBSOLETE before it is fully installed!
And really- how BAD could LIE-berals screw it all up? Consider that the E-health scandal is NOT DONE! Its just off the radar thanks to LIE-beral friendly media speaking no evil of LIE-berals! LIE-berals have solved the over cost and over budget greed of E-health Hogs by the simple expedient of NOT SETTING A BUDGET! Yes- LIE-berals now just ship BLANK CHEQUES to those Hogs- who ARE still working on that crap!
And how about the Presto transit card readers? At the time the system was chosen- we were warned that Presto was the most costly, least efficient and least used of several systems available- and now here we are some years later- and TTC has just SUSPENDED INSTALLATION of Presto card readers due to reliability issues!
And maybe we should talk about and utter a few curses over the Phoenix pay system that several govts have been screwing with? Reality is it ought to be scrapped and the old system restored- but civil service union Hogs do not wish to admit they have messed up so BADLY- and wasted several billion dollars- so we are now paying over twice as much as was originally budgeted and the damned thing STILL DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY!
And how about the smart meters? Those wonderful devices that were supposed to save us money? Did you get YOUR BENEFIT from those crap meters? I did not and neither did my neighbours! On the plus side- our area did not get the type of meters that catch fire and burn down your house! I guess we should be grateful for SMALL MERCIES?
And what of the battery powered buses that TTC bought a few years back? You know the ones I mean- the ones with HALF the range expected and with various maintenance issues as well? Do you want the same clowns producing your cars?
And how will we feel if Bombardier is chosen to produce the chargers? And how will we feel if they get another huge chunk of LIE-beral cash in exchange for those idle promises they issue so glibly? And then get years behind in producing the damned things? The way Bombardier is working on TTC street cars and LRT prototype rail cars- the builders all apparently all intend to RETIRE due to old age after the product is built......SOME DAY? Your brand new electric car- the one LIE-berals intend to FORCE you to buy- is useless without a charger!
Or maybe we should talk about the MFP computer scandal that rocked Toronto Silly Hall a decade back? Its just MORE PROOF that LIE-berals and their civil service union Hog allies could not run a chip truck at a profit- not even if you gave them the potatoes for FREE!
And idiot LIE-berals and Hogs THINK they can go into a meeting room with Elon Musk and have the Hogs come back out later still wearing their shirts? Musk is a great salesman and a wild dreamer and a slick talker- which makes him the smartest person in a room full of Hogs! But THAT IS ALL HE IS- he is a dreamer working with inadequate technology! If LIE-berals do enter into any deal with the likes of Musk- then we will ALL lose our shirts! And Musk will laugh all the way to the bank!
These are among the practical reasons that EVs aren't anywhere near ready to replace ICEs
You can see the red rocket peaking out at the very top.
Honestly I think tesla has the right idea, but not for the canadian climate and countryside.
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Yup, it's their tax dollars that are being wasted in this corporate welfare but they just won't open their eyes. They are too closed minded to see the truth.
You can see the red rocket peaking out at the very top.
Honestly I think tesla has the right idea, but not for the canadian climate and countryside.
How many lemons will it take to power an EV... More importantly, how much fuel will it take to plant, maintain and harvest that crop of lemons?
That takes me back
Solyndra