Ocean Breeze said:
And I happily accept it. How about we start a thread on suicide bombers in Iraq? That's a good idea, we'll call it Iraq Suicide Bombers Updates.
Terrorist attack in London
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And I happily accept it. How about we start a thread on suicide bombers in Iraq? That's a good idea, we'll call it Iraq Suicide Bombers Updates.
I think not said:
ok....... go for it. :thumbleft: What I would like to know , in this area , is just WHO are these "suicide " bombers??? Are they from various terrorist groups ??? (for eg) or are they Iraqis who are fighting the invaders?? (aka freedom fighters).........and more important , how the heck does one tell the difference now.
Ocean Breeze said:
I really have no idea, although I have read articles that claim they are both, Iraqi's and foreigners. I'll do some research on it, see what I can come up with before we start something that makes no sense.
I think not said:
good idea. :idea: Will do some too. (research) . gotta go for now.....catch ya later...
Re: RE: Terrorist attack in London
And you call yourself a psychologist with this kind of attitude? You said that your ancestors built this nation and mine did not. I can prove you wrong. I am Lebanese by origin and my ancestors were working alongside the Chinese and Italians building the CN rail.
I was not inviting myself to your house nor I would like to be in your company. However, with your bigot behavior, you not only rejected my company but rejected a whole civilization into your house. Alas what a closed mind.
bulldog said:
And you call yourself a psychologist with this kind of attitude? You said that your ancestors built this nation and mine did not. I can prove you wrong. I am Lebanese by origin and my ancestors were working alongside the Chinese and Italians building the CN rail.
I was not inviting myself to your house nor I would like to be in your company. However, with your bigot behavior, you not only rejected my company but rejected a whole civilization into your house. Alas what a closed mind.
This article sums up the whole situation for me
al-Qu’eda or al-a’diversion?
Of course it’s too early to say with any certainty who set off the four bombs that caused death and chaos in London today but predictably Tony Blair says “they were obviously designed to coincide with the G8 summit”. Well, he would say that wouldn’t he.
My immediate reaction is to be suspicious not about the timing of the bombs, this is the most obvious aspect, but who exactly is behind them.
It’s been almost four years since 9/11 without a single bombing in the UK (the police say they’ve foiled attempts but have given out no details) but with dire warnings being handed out at regular intervals – “not if but when” etc.
And with hundreds arrested under anti-terror laws but not a single conviction of anyone actually proved as being a member of al-Qu’eda or even being caught red-handed with a bomb, it’s safe to assume that it’s unlikely that al-Qu’eda actually exists as an effective organisation, let alone operates an ‘international terror network’.
And given Osama bin Laden‘s proven connection to the CIA as a paid ‘asset’ for at least ten years prior to 9/11 coupled to the fact even after years of chasing him up hill and down dale without so much as a sighting, it’s pretty obvious that the US have no intention of actually catching the bugger.
Instead, we get handed a new bogeyman in the form of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who predictably proves to be as elusive as the fabled Osama. Is it just me, or do I see a pattern here?
After all, consider the implications of catching a man (if he actually exists) who is in all likelihood (still) an ‘asset’ of the CIA? What tales would such a man have to tell about his paymasters (if he lived long enough to tell his tale that is)?
I might add that the historical record is on my side when one looks at how the US ‘Cointelpro’ operated, placing operatives inside a number of left-wing organisations including the US Socialist Workers Party, the CPUSA and the Black Panther Party.
One American psy-ops operative recently leveled with the Australian newspaper The Age: “We were basically paying up to US$10,000 a time to opportunists and criminals who passed off fiction and supposition about Zarqawi as cast-iron fact, making him out as the linchpin of just about every attack in Iraq.” – Kurt Nimmo
Once inside they would assume positions of responsibility and attempt to get these organisations to adopt confrontational (sometimes, suicidal) policies that would then give the state a reason to arrest and/or kill said members, especially leading members, as it did with the Black Panther Party, murdering its leading members in cold blood after being set up by infiltrators.
The use of agent provocateurs is a well established method that many states have and still do, use against those it perceives as its enemies as well being used as a pretext for the introduction of repressive measures. It doesn‘t even require a 9/11, merely the threat of ‘subversion’ or of future terrorist actions.
The carnage unleashed in London today has to be set in the context of a government under severe pressure not only because of the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath but of a state that has lost all credibility in the eyes of the public. It has to be set in the context of its failing ID card scheme, more accurately a national database, a crucial building block in the construction of the corporate security state. At this crucial period it needs to up the anté and what better than a series of bombings to create the right conditions?
Maintaining a state of terror is crucial and the British public have been carefully primed for today‘s murderous attacks with endless reminders from the state security apparatus that such events were entirely predictable. No doubt there will now be calls for even more repressive surveillance and ‘pre-emption’ methods to be introduced.
The media for its part is of course doing its bit to keep ramming home the ‘al-Qu’eda' connection even though not a shred of evidence has ever been produced in or out of a court of law to show that it exists, let alone that’s it‘s behind any of the bombings. The name is merely a mantra, like ‘Red’ or ‘Commie’, a convenient button to be pushed as and when needed.
Of course it can‘t be proved that the people who set these bombs are the paid agents of the British or US state, anymore than the state can prove that al-Zarqawi exists, but the inability of the most sophisticated intelligence/security agencies on the planet to catch them; their chosen targets – never agents of the state, always civilians; and in Iraq, almost always Iraqi civilians – points to the work of agent provocateurs in the classic mould.
As I‘ve pointed out many times before, the Websites that are the convenient mouthpiece for the various ‘Islamist’ organisations, are extremely easy to trace, yet mysteriously, even when they have registered offices in the heart of London, the police never inquire. It’s all just to easy, just too pat and when the prepared handouts from the state propagandists are accepted without question by the corporate/state media, we have a ready-made recipé for repression.
Today’s blasts have been claimed by yet another, previously unknown ‘Islamist’ organisation. The bottom line is that as long the state defines the terrain of struggle – the war on terror – the losers will be us, punters on the way to work and the poor of the planet who dare defy the imperium.
There will be those of course who will brand me a conspiracist, it’s surely outrageous to claim that our government would conspire to murder its own citizens but consider that it conspired with the US government to invade and occupy Iraq, murdered tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, and all done on the basis of lies and of a set of fabricated documents and the statements of people who were paid to incriminate the government of Iraq (one of whom, Ahmed Chalabi is under indictment for precisely this), so what’s a few dozen or even a few hundred innocent people here in the UK, in Spain, as well as the thousands who have been murdered in Iraq by ‘al-Qu’eda’? When set in this context, there is surely nothing far-fetched about the British state conspiring to bomb the tube here in the heart of London, there’s an awful lot at stake, not the least the future of the capitalist state. Think about it…
al-Qu’eda or al-a’diversion?
Of course it’s too early to say with any certainty who set off the four bombs that caused death and chaos in London today but predictably Tony Blair says “they were obviously designed to coincide with the G8 summit”. Well, he would say that wouldn’t he.
My immediate reaction is to be suspicious not about the timing of the bombs, this is the most obvious aspect, but who exactly is behind them.
It’s been almost four years since 9/11 without a single bombing in the UK (the police say they’ve foiled attempts but have given out no details) but with dire warnings being handed out at regular intervals – “not if but when” etc.
And with hundreds arrested under anti-terror laws but not a single conviction of anyone actually proved as being a member of al-Qu’eda or even being caught red-handed with a bomb, it’s safe to assume that it’s unlikely that al-Qu’eda actually exists as an effective organisation, let alone operates an ‘international terror network’.
And given Osama bin Laden‘s proven connection to the CIA as a paid ‘asset’ for at least ten years prior to 9/11 coupled to the fact even after years of chasing him up hill and down dale without so much as a sighting, it’s pretty obvious that the US have no intention of actually catching the bugger.
Instead, we get handed a new bogeyman in the form of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who predictably proves to be as elusive as the fabled Osama. Is it just me, or do I see a pattern here?
After all, consider the implications of catching a man (if he actually exists) who is in all likelihood (still) an ‘asset’ of the CIA? What tales would such a man have to tell about his paymasters (if he lived long enough to tell his tale that is)?
I might add that the historical record is on my side when one looks at how the US ‘Cointelpro’ operated, placing operatives inside a number of left-wing organisations including the US Socialist Workers Party, the CPUSA and the Black Panther Party.
One American psy-ops operative recently leveled with the Australian newspaper The Age: “We were basically paying up to US$10,000 a time to opportunists and criminals who passed off fiction and supposition about Zarqawi as cast-iron fact, making him out as the linchpin of just about every attack in Iraq.” – Kurt Nimmo
Once inside they would assume positions of responsibility and attempt to get these organisations to adopt confrontational (sometimes, suicidal) policies that would then give the state a reason to arrest and/or kill said members, especially leading members, as it did with the Black Panther Party, murdering its leading members in cold blood after being set up by infiltrators.
The use of agent provocateurs is a well established method that many states have and still do, use against those it perceives as its enemies as well being used as a pretext for the introduction of repressive measures. It doesn‘t even require a 9/11, merely the threat of ‘subversion’ or of future terrorist actions.
The carnage unleashed in London today has to be set in the context of a government under severe pressure not only because of the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath but of a state that has lost all credibility in the eyes of the public. It has to be set in the context of its failing ID card scheme, more accurately a national database, a crucial building block in the construction of the corporate security state. At this crucial period it needs to up the anté and what better than a series of bombings to create the right conditions?
Maintaining a state of terror is crucial and the British public have been carefully primed for today‘s murderous attacks with endless reminders from the state security apparatus that such events were entirely predictable. No doubt there will now be calls for even more repressive surveillance and ‘pre-emption’ methods to be introduced.
The media for its part is of course doing its bit to keep ramming home the ‘al-Qu’eda' connection even though not a shred of evidence has ever been produced in or out of a court of law to show that it exists, let alone that’s it‘s behind any of the bombings. The name is merely a mantra, like ‘Red’ or ‘Commie’, a convenient button to be pushed as and when needed.
Of course it can‘t be proved that the people who set these bombs are the paid agents of the British or US state, anymore than the state can prove that al-Zarqawi exists, but the inability of the most sophisticated intelligence/security agencies on the planet to catch them; their chosen targets – never agents of the state, always civilians; and in Iraq, almost always Iraqi civilians – points to the work of agent provocateurs in the classic mould.
As I‘ve pointed out many times before, the Websites that are the convenient mouthpiece for the various ‘Islamist’ organisations, are extremely easy to trace, yet mysteriously, even when they have registered offices in the heart of London, the police never inquire. It’s all just to easy, just too pat and when the prepared handouts from the state propagandists are accepted without question by the corporate/state media, we have a ready-made recipé for repression.
Today’s blasts have been claimed by yet another, previously unknown ‘Islamist’ organisation. The bottom line is that as long the state defines the terrain of struggle – the war on terror – the losers will be us, punters on the way to work and the poor of the planet who dare defy the imperium.
There will be those of course who will brand me a conspiracist, it’s surely outrageous to claim that our government would conspire to murder its own citizens but consider that it conspired with the US government to invade and occupy Iraq, murdered tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, and all done on the basis of lies and of a set of fabricated documents and the statements of people who were paid to incriminate the government of Iraq (one of whom, Ahmed Chalabi is under indictment for precisely this), so what’s a few dozen or even a few hundred innocent people here in the UK, in Spain, as well as the thousands who have been murdered in Iraq by ‘al-Qu’eda’? When set in this context, there is surely nothing far-fetched about the British state conspiring to bomb the tube here in the heart of London, there’s an awful lot at stake, not the least the future of the capitalist state. Think about it…
mr.mom. Good item. thought provoking. Suspect many of us have followed that line of thought too.....just to see where it takes..
It confirms ....again......the importance of NOT accepting what the "media" says as "gospel". (and especially both the US and Brit gov'ts -----although the Brits do have a few more checks and balances in place) Important to consider all possibilities with an open/receptive mind, and of course risk being called names.....(but who cares about the name callers/branders anyhow??)
It confirms ....again......the importance of NOT accepting what the "media" says as "gospel". (and especially both the US and Brit gov'ts -----although the Brits do have a few more checks and balances in place) Important to consider all possibilities with an open/receptive mind, and of course risk being called names.....(but who cares about the name callers/branders anyhow??)
Well I think we are going to see some changes in the British government soon. Now the people there are still in shock as were the people of the USA after 9/11. However, when the dust settles, they are going to ask very tough questions. It may lead to Blair resignation. Only my humble thoughts since I am not welcome into the psychologist's home.
It just seems strange to me that all we ever hear is Al Qaida Al qaida all the time and there is not one shred of proof there is even such a group 8O The masses will beleive anything when they are told it enough :wink:
mrmom2 said:
You know it's funny mom...I was just having a conversation with a co-worker tonight about this very topic...that there is no proof that al Qaeda ever existed...
Re: RE: Terrorist attack in London
Yes...because who else but Middle Eastern terrorists could have possibly executed such a precise attack on the US... :roll:
moghrabi said:
Yes...because who else but Middle Eastern terrorists could have possibly executed such a precise attack on the US... :roll:
mrmom2 said:
ain't that the truth. the "masses" don't bother to examine the issues closely, or even question them. They just accept what they are told as gospel. Then when things go sideways,......they are "surprised" and perplexed.
the whole OBL /Al Quaeda factor has a strange "stink" to it. One simply cannot ignore the fact that the bush family has ties with the Bin Laden family.
It sure leaves one at a disadvantage when one cannot believe or trust anything the major gov'ts say . the bush gov't has taken all this to a whole new level .