Terrorism: Made in the U.S.A.

JBeee

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[FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]by [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Geneva,sans-serif]Sheldon Richman[/FONT],
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It’s a perilous world, as our so-called leaders love to remind us. And for a change they’re right. It is a perilous world. But guess who is most responsible for the peril to Americans? Those very same “leaders” and a long line of predecessors.

Moreover, they — along with anyone else who takes time to examine the matter — know that they create the greatest dangers Americans face.

They just don’t care. They have bigger fish to fry than keeping Americans safe, namely, geopolitical dominance. Besides, the dangers they create provide excuses for more power, such as the USA PATRIOT Act, warrantless wiretapping and other surveillance, no-due-process “kill lists,” and secret CIA prisons. And let’s not forget the big military appropriations that have put a good part of the U.S. economy in the Pentagon’s service while driving the American people deeper into debt. (The resulting economic distress then justifies the exercise of even more government power.)

Let’s just say what many people already know: the “war on terrorism” produces terrorists. No half-intelligent person could think that U.S. abuse of the Muslim world — the bombings, the indefinite detentions and torture, the kicking in of doors, the shootings at checkpoints, the propping up of corrupt rulers — could have any effect other than to produce violent, vengeful anti-Americanism. Even in the government-friendly mainstream media you will find the facts, though you’ll have to connect the dots yourself.

When you treat people as if they are animals, or help others to treat them that way, some of those people will get angry and vow to get even. If desperate enough they will even be willing to give their lives to the cause — yes, even to fly airplanes into tall buildings.

Isn’t this already obvious? For more than 50 years U.S. administrations, for the sake of geopolitical hegemony and preferential access to resources, have treated much of the Muslim world like personal property. They’ve backed brutal dictators, subverted governments, and invaded and occupied countries as it suited their agenda of “world leadership.” The program included defying the will of the Iranian people and imposing a brutal monarch (1953), backing the repressive Saudi monarchy and the Egyptian and Iraqi dictatorships, financing Israel’s periodic wars against Lebanon and oppression of the Palestinians, and so much more. It was bad enough that England and France had betrayed the trust of the Arabs after World War I and turned the Middle East into a colonial playground, with all the humiliation and repression that implies. The U.S. government then compounded the crime by picking up the mantle of empire after World War II. Power and oil were the reasons. Were the brutalized and mortified people supposed to be grateful to the West?

We kid ourselves when we pretend that history began on September 11, 2001. Can anyone say with a straight face that before that date America was minding its own business according to the noninterventionist guidelines set out by George Washington and Thomas Jefferson? Read some history. Or does American exceptionalism mean not having to know anything before dropping bombs on people and torturing detainees? No mystery

The Muslims who wish Americans ill have never been mysterious about their grievances. Osama bin Laden’s fatwa against the United States, “Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places,” is online. Read it for yourself. U.S. troops had been stationed in Saudi Arabia in 1990, after Iraqi president Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. Long after the brief Gulf War ended, U.S. planes based in Saudi Arabia bombed southern Iraq to enforce U.S.-declared “no fly zones,” often killing civilians. Meanwhile, the United States enforced an embargo on Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of children and others by denying, among other things, equipment Iraqis needed to rebuild sanitation and water facilities.

Bin Laden’s fatwa was issued in 1996, soon after U.S.-financed Israel conducted one of its regular onslaughts against the Lebanese. What were his specific grievances? American troops stationed near Muslim holy places in Saudi Arabia. The U.S. embargo on Iraq. U.S. sponsorship of Israel’s domination of the Palestinians and its neighbors. “Terrorising you, while you are carrying arms on our land, is a legitimate and morally demanded duty,” he wrote.

Bin Laden is not the only one with such grievances. According to the 9/11 Commission report, “By his own account, [mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s] animus toward the United States stemmed … from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel.”
Mohamed Atta, one of the 9/11 suicide hijackers, committed himself to martyrdom on April 11, 1996, the day Israel attacked Lebanon in Operation Grapes of Wrath.

Ramzi Yousef, a planner of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, lashed out at U.S. foreign policy during his sentencing: “Yes, I am a terrorist, and proud of it as long as it is against the U.S. government and against Israel, because you are more than terrorists; you are the one who invented terrorism and using it every day. You are butchers, liars, and hypocrites.”

Richard Reid, who tried to ignite a shoe bomb aboard an airliner, told his sentencing judge, “With regards to what you said about killing innocent people, I will say one thing. Your government has killed two million children in Iraq…. Your government has sponsored the rape and torture of Muslims in the prisons of Egypt and Turkey and Syria and Jordan with their money and with their weapons.”
And Faisal Shahzad, who tried to ignite a car bomb in Times Square, said in court,
I want to plead guilty, and I’m going to plead guilty 100 times over because, until the hour the U.S. pulls its forces from Iraq and Afghanistan, and stops the drone strikes in Somalia and Yemen and in Pakistan, and stops the occupation of Muslim lands, and stops killing the Muslims, and stops reporting the Muslims to its government, we will be attacking U.S., and I plead guilty to that.

The government agrees

Incredibly, when such statements are cited by Americans who oppose U.S. foreign policy, they are accused of condoning terrorism. It is disconcerting to learn that one must spell out the difference between comprehending and excusing an action. Terrorism (which, oddly, is a term never applied to any U.S. government actions, no matter how violent or how harmful to civilians), by definition, is a political act. So it seems sensible to inquire into the motives of terrorists, if for no other reason than to determine whether such crimes might be avoided in the future.

Some dismiss the jihadists’ statements as mere propaganda, but you don’t need to take their word for it. Bush administration officials acknowledged that U.S. policy creates more terrorists than it kills. Bush strategist Paul Wolfowitz himself said that occupying Iraq permitted U.S. troops to leave Saudi Arabia, where they had created so much hostility to America.

In other words: American policy manufactures terrorism.

With impunity the U.S. government fires missiles from pilotless drones into Pakistan, Yemen, and elsewhere, killing innocents. Its occupation forces leave death and misery in their wake. (Building a few schools hardly compensates.) Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who until recently ran the counterinsurgency operation in Afghanistan, conceded, “We’ve shot an amazing number of people and killed a number and, to my knowledge, none has proven to have been a real threat to the force.” And recently Israel killed nine aid volunteers (including an American citizen) on the high seas while enforcing a cruel blockade of Gaza, the latest mistreatment of Palestinians. How can this not come back to haunt us, Israel’s enablers?

As if these actions were not enough, the U.S. government since 9/11 has held many Muslims without charge or other due process in prisons where they have been abused and tortured in violation of U.S. law and international conventions. Others have been sent to the custody of brutal foreign governments known to torture prisoners. Does anyone have trouble understanding why such prisoners would wish to harm Americans and attempt to do so as soon as they are freed? It is really unseemly for Americans to act like victims.

Citing this shameful record and connecting it to terrorism is sure to bring charges of “anti-Americanism” from some quarters. But who has acted against the best interests of the American people: those who carry out these savage policies or those who identify them for what they are and demand cessation?

U.S. policy — no matter who’s in power — couldn’t be better tailored to recruit terrorists. We can keep pretending we are innocent victims. Or we can finally put the responsibility where it belongs: in Washington, D.C. Then we must demand that the barbarism stop.
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damngrumpy

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I don't give a damn about who is the victim or guilty of what. When these people come here
and decide they are going to change our ways, its time for a crackdown. I am not saying we
didn't do a whole lot of things, but I make it clear, if they want assistance in moving into a
modern world, or they want to come and live among us they better be prepared to live by our
rules. I believe if the clergy of those those committing offences don't speak out their church
should be shut down. Those who are found to be in violation of the rules of our country should
be deported, and those who do commit crimes should be in prison in isolation.
We should stop buying their oil and stop giving any more foreign aid, or helping in disasters
natural or otherwise. If the west were to do that these very nations would be howling that we
were selfish and didn't care about the poor and dying. Perhaps the law should be simplified.
If you are caught planning or committing a terrorist act, once convicted you should be
executed. If family knew about the plot and didn't inform the authorities they should be deported.
Yes to answer your questions it is about maintaining the status quo and we need to do that as
the alternative is chaos and a return to the seventeenth century to satisfy a bunch of extremists
who want to use the tyranny of God to rule the world. Come to think of it, there are millions of
people wanting to come here to get away from crazy people, especially in the Middle East.
Compare our two systems, how many millions do you see heading for their shores to take up
living in the dark ages? One can criticize the west for a lot of things, but when justifying murder
and bloodshed as part of a protest in my view one has gone to far. Not as far as committing
an act of terror but condoning such action or making excuses for them does not sit well with me,
 

JBeee

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Lay off the egg-nog Grumpy and re-read the article.

Its about the US interferring with other nations business. When those nation`s leaders are bribed or too weak-kneed to stop it, those nation`s people will stand up and defend thier land from US interferrence...even if it means packing thier bags and travelling to America to give it a taste of thier own medicine.

As to you`re referrence of immigration, most of those countrys wouldn`t have the problems they have and would be happy to stay-put, if Uncle Sam would mind it`s own business and stop creating unrest and civil wars through dubious means.
 

Colpy

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Lay off the egg-nog Grumpy and re-read the article.

Its about the US interferring with other nations business. When those nation`s leaders are bribed or too weak-kneed to stop it, those nation`s people will stand up and defend thier land from US interferrence...even if it means packing thier bags and travelling to America to give it a taste of thier own medicine.

As to you`re referrence of immigration, most of those countrys wouldn`t have the problems they have and would be happy to stay-put, if Uncle Sam would mind it`s own business and stop creating unrest and civil wars through dubious means.

Bull****.

Yep....the USA has sooooo abused Muslims..........by paying inflated prices for their oil to a cartel, by accepting Muslim immigration, by making a futile attempt to save them from warlords in Somalia, by supporting them against the USSR in Afghanistan, for going to bat for them in Bosnia and Kosovo, by providing the PA millions in aid, by buying Egyptian loyalty away from the USSR, by liberating Kuwait from secular Iraq........

And of COURSE the USA is responsible for every bit of poverty on earth. (insert rolled eyes here)

What absolute horse****..........
 

Durry

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Bull****.

Yep....the USA has sooooo abused Muslims..........by paying inflated prices for their oil to a cartel, by accepting Muslim immigration, by making a futile attempt to save them from warlords in Somalia, by supporting them against the USSR in Afghanistan, for going to bat for them in Bosnia and Kosovo, by providing the PA millions in aid, by buying Egyptian loyalty away from the USSR, by liberating Kuwait from secular Iraq........

And of COURSE the USA is responsible for every bit of poverty on earth. (insert rolled eyes here)

What absolute horse****..........
Yeah, and let's not forget to blame the US for the good life we have here in Canada, and let's not forget to blame them for being the only nation trying to keep peace world wide, and let's not forget to blame them for being the greatest contributors to world aid,
And let's not forget to blame them for anything else we can think off!!!

Idiot !!
 

JBeee

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There you go again using `muslims` to defend your point.

I`m talking every region on the earth where Americans have deliberately involved themselves, mostly for self-serving reasons, and then claim to be doing so for the sake of those populations.

Uncle Sam should be more concerned about its own and quit looking for trouble.


Bull****.

Yep....the USA has sooooo abused Muslims..........by paying inflated prices for their oil to a cartel, by accepting Muslim immigration, by making a futile attempt to save them from warlords in Somalia, by supporting them against the USSR in Afghanistan, for going to bat for them in Bosnia and Kosovo, by providing the PA millions in aid, by buying Egyptian loyalty away from the USSR, by liberating Kuwait from secular Iraq........

And of COURSE the USA is responsible for every bit of poverty on earth. (insert rolled eyes here)

What absolute horse****..........
 

damngrumpy

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JBeee I did get your point that it is all America's fault. If you were talking about
a South American problem I would be more inclined to agree with you, but we
are talking about the Middle East primarily. The United States like Britain and
France before them adopted a military or economic colonial policy for the third
world that is just a fact of life. No it doesn't make it right I agree, but then when
I look around, I don't see Japanese people, Asians in general, or South Americans
coming to make bombs to kill us. Who does that around the world? For the
most part it is Muslims. Try as one might, you can not make excuses for these
people who want everyone to live happily in the sixteenth century. They do not
know how to behave in a social atmosphere because they are still tribal people
yes America interferes with internal affairs of other nations. The Chinese also do
the same thing in their circle of influence. France and Britain also interfere so
what. The major powers have done so since the dawn of history.
One of the reasons the Muslim world is in the mess it is in, is simply because
back in the day of the Ottoman Empire they did the same thing to someone else.
Their problem began when they picked the wrong side in WWI. The influence of
the Middle East was lost and the tribes began to fight. Since Babylon there has
been fighting Arabs, even longer than the fighting Irish. Do I like that America is
engaged in this activity? Not really but I understand, the Muslims want world
domination on religious grounds and I don't want to go there. I would much rather
fight them over there than have them in our back yard.
NOT all Muslims are a problem. many want nothing to do with the radicals and
terrorists, but all to often they are willing to make excuses for them. If they want
to fight America, and Canada and God knows who else over there, fine you are
right its their territory, the problem for the radicals is more and more of the average
citizens over there have had enough of them too. If they come here with malice
in their heart, they are criminals and should be dealt with. I understood your
position very well I think, you claim the governments of the West led by the USA
are the tyrants and the people in the third world have the right to come here and
kill us. I say they don't and we have to ensure we intercept them and deal with them
as we catch them, so far we have not been hard enough on the terrorists themselves
or the people who give them safe haven.
 

gerryh

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yup.....how dare those uppity sand n*ggers not bend over and take it up the ass like everyone else in the world.
 

Bar Sinister

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I have no issue with the charge that current and former US policies are responsible for much of the anti-Americanism in Muslim states. However, I have noticed a number of characteristics of certain Muslim extremist groups that indicate that it is more than just anti-Americanism that motivates them. First is the fact that Muslim terrorists are much more adept at killing other Muslims than non-Muslims. Numerous terrorist bombings in countries like Pakistan and Indonesia are proof of this. The second is that extremist groups for the most part are tiny minorities even within their own nations. Most Muslims simply want to get on with the task of living their lives and modernizing their countries and have little use for nut cases who regard innocent men, women, and children as legitimate targets. A third is that Muslim extremists have often resorted to attacks on people who are not associated in any way with any historical abuses against Muslims. Their attacks are indiscriminate and aimed at innocent individuals rather than anyone who had actually done them any harm.

The fact is that even if the US was to radically change its foreign policies many of these terrorists attacks would continue. It is not the US that so distresses Muslim extremists but the undeniable fact that their own societies are becoming more Westernized and more secular. There were similar attacks by Marxist groups in the 1970s; groups that were completely discredited by their unfocused violence. Similarly, ultra-conservative Japanese groups that used terror in attempts to halt the Westernization of Japan were also discredited, being seen as little more than anachronistic fanatics who had little support form their own people. The same will ultimately be true of Muslim fundamentalists. Try as they might too many of their Muslims want a lifestyle and political system similar to the West. They are fighting against the tide of history and in such a battle they will lose eventually.
 

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How can you goomers defend a big country that would bomb the shyte out of a little country to protect the price of fn bananas !!??
That's only one example{but my favorite}of reasons why I'm anti american.
 

Cliffy

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How can you goomers defend a big country that would bomb the shyte out of a little country to protect the price of fn bananas !!??
That's only one example{but my favorite}of reasons why I'm anti american.
But relic, that is precisely why we are able to have the life style we so love. If the US did not bomb the shyte out of other countries and otherwise interfere in their internal affairs and support violent despots, we would not have cheep bananas, oil, strawberries, etc., etc. People who value our decadence naturally support the murder of millions of innocent women, the elderly and children. That is precisely how we built our great nations, so it stands to reason that that is how we have to maintain them. Get with the program, dood, and help support murder and mayhem in the name of our progress. Oh, and don't forget to say Grace.
 

darkbeaver

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(Sheldon Richman of the Cato Institute) the article is loaded with clever Zionists finger pointing at poor stupid uncle sham. Everyday hundreds of articles originate from the Zionist monolith poisoning what is left of the American well. The fact is that America as we think we knew it has long since gone to the ruin of war, at the behest of thier avowed best friends the genocidal racist pseudo state of Israel. If we were to witness the capitulation of the imperial American state we would not enjoy the relief of peace for one second because war is the economy of this privately owned planet, creative destruction fuels the capitalist economy from orange juice to DU. Think tanks like Cato are lizard dens that spew out reams of propaganda. Orders for Americans do not originate in Washington the great empty space, the giant mall for corrupt politicians. TelAviv is the capital of the western world, Canada most definatly included. None of us will see peace untill Palestine is liberated.
 

Trotz

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Societies have a short memory,
the Umayyad-Muslim Conquest of Northern Africa, 622-750 A.D., resulted in the genocide of tens of millions of Christians (primarily European and pre-Moorish Berbers) and turned Northern Africa, which was otherwise culturally Southern European (Roman), into an extension of the Arabian peninsula and to this day remains so.


While the West and the United States has disregarded Social Darwinism, claiming it was something that some nutty Austrian talked about in the 1930s, nevertheless; pseduo-intellectuals who claim it doesn't exist aside, the Chinese are eyeing Africa and Oceania (Australia and New Zealand) and the Arabs want to conquer Europe (even though Northern Africa was the wealthly breadbasket of the Roman Empire and they managed to screw that up and they think somehow conquering Europe will cause money to grow on trees!)
 

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''tens of millions of Christians''

Muslims did not come close to killing that many. Far more died because pagan barbarian invasions and because of the actions of Charlemagne or Pepin. Furthermore, Spain knew centuries of peace between Muslims, Jews, and Christians than did other parts of Europe because it practiced far more tolerance while others did not. We've gone through this before on this forum.

''Northern Africa was the wealthly breadbasket of the Roman Empire''

Romans invaded lands, killed millions, and stole their lands. You cannot blame Muslims for that.
 

Icarus27k

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I have no problem with the point that US foreign policy is reprehensible at times and that can reasonably be expected to cause anti-Americanism. But the article does minimize the responsibility of individuals (bin Laden, etc.) in their own reprehensible actions.
 

CUBert

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Bull****.

Yep....the USA has sooooo abused Muslims..........by paying inflated prices for their oil to a cartel, by accepting Muslim immigration, by making a futile attempt to save them from warlords in Somalia, by supporting them against the USSR in Afghanistan, for going to bat for them in Bosnia and Kosovo, by providing the PA millions in aid, by buying Egyptian loyalty away from the USSR, by liberating Kuwait from secular Iraq........

And of COURSE the USA is responsible for every bit of poverty on earth. (insert rolled eyes here)

What absolute horse****..........

Bad post. As someone interested in history you should be more wise of the American oppression against Muslims.