Tensions rise in Mideast over Cartoons

Durgan

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This little Cartoon episode not only makes Islam appear intolerent, but maybe it will bring to the fore all religions.

Without reservations they all should be stuffed back into the hole where they came from. The world has suffered too long from religion in all its forms. It has been a creeping disease over the centuries.

Be gone you all have done enough harm.

My general attitude when I see religion in practice is that they are idiots, and I pass one, except they keep trying to intrude into my life. This I resent deeply. Some jerk jumping in front of me at a ploughing match and shouting , " Do you believe in God". My immediate thought is to think " fcuk off", but I have manners- no longer so your religious nuts beware.

Durgan.
 

Freethinker

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RE: Tensions rise in Mide

Bad memes I think.

Notice that most of the mobs formed after "prayers".

In shorthand, we are intolerant, you better support our intolerance, or we will kill you... Nice folks.

Edit: Quoting one of my favorite bands: Rush

The righteous rise With burning eyes Of hatred and ill-will
Madmen fed on fear and lies To beat, and burn, and kill
 

FiveParadox

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Peaceful Demonstration

In The Province today, a newspaper based in the Lower Mainland of the Province of British Columbia, it is reported that in Halifax, a peaceful demonstration of Islamic-Canadian citizens took place to protest the published cartoons.

Note, peaceful demonstration. That is the way it should be! There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the publication of those cartoons — however, people need to realise, as have our Muslim friends in Canada, that violence cannot be deemed a reasonable means to an end.
 

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Toro said:

Well, I got my superbowl shopping done! Two varieties of Rosenborg blue cheese, Danesborg Jalapeno Havarti, Danesborg Brie (excellent melted in the microwave with peach jam on top...mmmm), and last but not least - my favourite - Royal Dansk Butter Cookies.
 

Sassylassie

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It is hardly surprising Muslim men protesting, every week the Muslim Clerics find a new topic to Pontificate and rant about such as "The evil west," "North Americans belief systems," on and on. I read in todays paper a Muslim Cleric stated that those of us who slight the Muslim Faith will be the first to be be-head when the Muslims of the world have control of these regions (Not an exact quote). What a peaceful, loving religion. I believe that protesting is a form of employment in some of the Muslim countries. Now I'm off to make some Crackers with Danish Cheese.
 

thulin

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The last days I have seen the mob in Syria burning not only the Danish embassy, but also the Swedish and Norwegian... Today the Swiss flag was burned in Libanon... :roll:

Folks, educate your children... It´s the best gift you can give them!



Kongeriget Danmark



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Curiosity

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Mark Steyn
'Sensitivity' can have brutal consequences

February 5, 2006

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
I long ago lost count of the number of times I've switched on the TV and seen crazy guys jumping up and down in the street, torching the Stars and Stripes and yelling ''Death to the Great Satan!'' Or torching the Union Jack and yelling ''Death to the Original If Now Somewhat Arthritic And Semi-Retired Satan!'' But I never thought I'd switch on the TV and see the excitable young lads jumping up and down in Jakarta, Lahore, Aden, Hebron, etc., etc., torching the flag of Denmark.

Denmark! Even if you were overcome with a sudden urge to burn the Danish flag, where do you get one in a hurry in Gaza? Well, OK, that's easy: the nearest European Union Humanitarian Aid and Intifada-Funding Branch Office. But where do you get one in an obscure town on the Punjabi plain on a Thursday afternoon? If I had a sudden yen to burn the Yemeni or Sudanese flag on my village green, I haven't a clue how I'd get hold of one in this part of New Hampshire. Say what you like about the Islamic world, but they show tremendous initiative and energy and inventiveness, at least when it comes to threatening death to the infidels every 48 hours for one perceived offense or another. If only it could be channeled into, say, a small software company, what an economy they'd have.

Meanwhile, back in Copenhagen, the Danes are a little bewildered to find that this time it's plucky little Denmark who's caught the eye of the nutters. Last year, a newspaper called Jyllands-Posten published several cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed, whose physical representation in art is forbidden by Islam. The cartoons aren't particularly good and they were intended to be provocative. But they had a serious point. Before coming to that, we should note that in the Western world "artists" "provoke" with the same numbing regularity as young Muslim men light up other countries' flags. When Tony-winning author Terence McNally writes a Broadway play in which Jesus has gay sex with Judas, the New York Times and Co. rush to garland him with praise for how "brave" and "challenging" he is. The rule for "brave" "transgressive" "artists" is a simple one: If you're going to be provocative, it's best to do it with people who can't be provoked.

Thus, NBC is celebrating Easter this year with a special edition of the gay sitcom "Will & Grace," in which a Christian conservative cooking-show host, played by the popular singing slattern Britney Spears, offers seasonal recipes -- "Cruci-fixin's." On the other hand, the same network, in its coverage of the global riots over the Danish cartoons, has declined to show any of the offending artwork out of "respect" for the Muslim faith.

Which means out of respect for their ability to locate the executive vice president's home in the suburbs and firebomb his garage.

Jyllands-Posten wasn't being offensive for the sake of it. They had a serious point -- or, at any rate, a more serious one than Britney Spears or Terence McNally. The cartoons accompanied a piece about the dangers of "self-censorship" -- i.e., a climate in which there's no explicit law forbidding you from addressing the more, er, lively aspects of Islam but nonetheless everyone feels it's better not to.

That's the question the Danish newspaper was testing: the weakness of free societies in the face of intimidation by militant Islam.

One day, years from now, as archaeologists sift through the ruins of an ancient civilization for clues to its downfall, they'll marvel at how easy it all was. You don't need to fly jets into skyscrapers and kill thousands of people. As a matter of fact, that's a bad strategy, because even the wimpiest state will feel obliged to respond. But if you frame the issue in terms of multicultural "sensitivity," the wimp state will bend over backward to give you everything you want -- including, eventually, the keys to those skyscrapers. Thus, Jack Straw, the British foreign secretary, hailed the "sensitivity" of Fleet Street in not reprinting the offending cartoons.

No doubt he's similarly impressed by the "sensitivity" of Anne Owers, Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Prisons, for prohibiting the flying of the English national flag in English prisons on the grounds that it shows the cross of St. George, which was used by the Crusaders and thus is offensive to Muslims. And no doubt he's impressed by the "sensitivity" of Burger King, which withdrew its ice cream cones from its British menus because Rashad Akhtar of High Wycombe complained that the creamy swirl shown on the lid looked like the word "Allah" in Arabic script. I don't know which sura in the Koran says don't forget, folks, it's not just physical representations of God or the Prophet but also chocolate ice cream squiggly representations of the name, but ixnay on both just to be "sensitive."

And doubtless the British foreign secretary also appreciates the "sensitivity" of the owner of France-Soir, who fired his editor for republishing the Danish cartoons. And the "sensitivity" of the Dutch film director Albert Ter Heerdt, who canceled the sequel to his hit multicultural comedy ''Shouf Shouf Habibi!'' on the grounds that "I don't want a knife in my chest" -- which is what happened to the last Dutch film director to make a movie about Islam: Theo van Gogh, on whose ''right to dissent'' all those Hollywood blowhards are strangely silent. Perhaps they're just being "sensitive,'' too.

And perhaps the British foreign secretary also admires the "sensitivity" of those Dutch public figures who once spoke out against the intimidatory aspects of Islam and have now opted for diplomatic silence and life under 24-hour armed guard. And maybe he even admires the "sensitivity" of the increasing numbers of Dutch people who dislike the pervasive fear and tension in certain parts of the Netherlands and so have emigrated to Canada and New Zealand.

Very few societies are genuinely multicultural. Most are bicultural: On the one hand, there are folks who are black, white, gay, straight, pre-op transsexual, Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, worshippers of global-warming doom-mongers, and they rub along as best they can. And on the other hand are folks who do not accept the give-and-take, the rough-and-tumble of a "diverse" "tolerant" society, and, when one gently raises the matter of their intolerance, they threaten to kill you, which makes the question somewhat moot.

One day the British foreign secretary will wake up and discover that, in practice, there's very little difference between living under Exquisitely Refined Multicultural Sensitivity and Sharia. As a famously sensitive Dane once put it, "To be or not to be, that is the question."
[Edited to fix quote feature]
 

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FiveParadox said:
In The Province today, a newspaper based in the Lower Mainland of the Province of British Columbia, it is reported that in Halifax, a peaceful demonstration of Islamic-Canadian citizens took place to protest the published cartoons.

Note, peaceful demonstration. That is the way it should be! There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the publication of those cartoons — however, people need to realise, as have our Muslim friends in Canada, that violence cannot be deemed a reasonable means to an end.

I would make the point that if you are demonstrating to have censorship imposed on a newspaper, then you either don't understand, or don't respect the freedoms of western civilization, and God Damn It....


YOU DON"T BELONG HERE!

Period.
 

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I would argue that anyone who thinks that all censorship, in any respect, is some unholy violation of human rights, then perhaps one should look into hate propaganda law. I'm not saying that this particular case was necessarily hate propaganda; but would you say that hate propaganda laws should never be used?
 

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FiveParadox said:
I would argue that anyone who thinks that all censorship, in any respect, is some unholy violation of human rights, then perhaps one should look into hate propaganda law. I'm not saying that this particular case was necessarily hate propaganda; but would you say that hate propaganda laws should never be used?

Hate laws are, to me, especially atrocious.

Idiot ideas are better let out into the sun, to be countered and exposed for what they are.

As well, you have (IMHO) the right to express what you believe, to deny that right borders on thought control.

Even the protesters in Halifax have the right to express themselves. My problem is with our total failure to assimilate them into a culture that values freedom.

As Mark Steyn said "multiculturalism is cultural suicide" This is a perfect example.
 

the caracal kid

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interesting how you speak of "thought control" first, and then suggest we need to "assimilate".

multiculturalism works just fine. No matter how much "assimilation" you try, you will always have differences amungst groups. You stated how things should be "better let out into the sun", the same goes for everything.
 

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FiveParadox said:
Would your opposition to their values which are apparently "contrary" to those of mainstream Canada not be, then, hypocritical?

Not really.

They are here, and (as I said above) they have the right to express their intolerance.

As I have the right to express mine.

I just think we, as a society, need to take a long, hard look at some of our basic policies, before we wind up NOT having the right to express ourselves.
 

thulin

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Just got a mail from a friend, looked like this:


Where was the worldwide Muslim outrage on this day?



I'm sorry, my sympathy meter must be broken.
 

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What a collection of neat posts to read this morning....

Everyone had a valid point. The arguments are so strong.

I dislike censorship of course because the alternative would be too awful for me to think about.

Who would be in charge of censoring?

We would end up rioting about the censors themselves. Can you imagine how valuable "real news and pictures" would become to us - to be able to find the truth???? Deny the public a certain book and it will be smuggled and bring wealth to the publisher and author, because we desire the freedom to choose - it is like breathing to us.

Let the ugliness show and perhaps one day we will realize only honest open and free debate may change a few minds ... certainly not violence.

Thulin that was a strong reminder to me...
As usual the pictures always win don't they.... a great testament for non-censorship. What if we had never been allowed to see those pictures. That we had to rely on word of mouth to describe that scene? What if we had never seen the destruction in Europe of the bombed cities, the graves from Normandy, so many things
showing humanity's ability to destroy in hate and the barbaric need for power over others.

Until we can all cohabitate in peace and respect, we must have historical record and censorship will deny us that right.