Temporary Foreign Workers put 270 Canadians out of work

Should TFWs be allowed to replace skilled Canadians just to save labour costs?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • No

    Votes: 19 79.2%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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JLM

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That sounds fair. IF, you stop allowing Canadians to work abroad.

It is senseless to write one set of rules for our industry, while we take advantage of other countries' industry.

I personally know more than 10 guys who work overseas. Why is that allowed?

Obviously at least a couple of posters have missed the facetiousness with which that post was written! After the 1st criteria I had considered writing in brackets "including 90 year old women who are blind and use a walker".
 

taxslave

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LOL I just quit a job that they hire Mexicans because the break the law... constantly..

They treated me like sh!t because I would not drive my truck illegally..

Fella was bragging he did 10 Calgary to Edmonton runs in 5 days and took 10 5 hours to stay awake. So he is driving 18 to 20 hour days on the road with 4 to 6 hours of rest..

Hey, but he is definitely more productive than I, and when he has a accident and kills someone.. ??

I've come down to where I think in Canada all trucks need to have eLogs, disk air brakes and a dash cam, and I know of a few companies that are going that way.. safety of your fleet and drivers, and most important the others on the road are more important that profit..





I think I already stated that.. match welfare recipients to workers willing to hire.. obviously if the welfare recipient refuses the job, he's cut off from further aid in that province..

Obviously there are cases where the welfare recipient may not be able to do the job at hand, you have to review each case. But where there is a single male, unemployed, there is no reason why that lazy fukk is milking the system.

So you would make women exempt?
 

petros

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Here is something nobody has mentioned. Refineries and other huge industrial projects are now being built modularly.

The real Canadian fitters, welders, sparkies and iron workers will continue to build the modules while the foreigners bolt them together. After that, the real Canadian fitters, welders, sparkies and iron workers will have to go to the job site to fix what the foreigners f*cked up.

It'll mean more work and the Chinese will learn their lesson the hard way.
 

JLM

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So you would make women exempt?

Not because they are women, but if they are blind, 90 years old and use a walker. Same would go with men in that condition!

Sure, as long as they are Canadian. Unless there are no Canadians available.



Those are issues to be sorted out between the company, the union and the govt. What you don't do is put 300 citizens on EI or welfare while bringing in foreigners to save a few bucks. If you want to do business in Canada there is a cost and that is hiring Canadians to do the job.

There's just one little problem, Nick and that is the 15 or 20% of Canadians who just aren't "motivated" to do a proper job. (like the ones that worked with me during my career that I had to keep lined up with a stump to see if they moved). -:)
 

petros

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That sounds fair. IF, you stop allowing Canadians to work abroad.

It is senseless to write one set of rules for our industry, while we take advantage of other countries' industry.

I personally know more than 10 guys who work overseas. Why is that allowed?

I made a fortune working abroad. 15 years ago it was relatively safe.

Today, Canadian gold mining companies are being attacked on a regular basis.
 

JLM

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That sounds fair. IF, you stop allowing Canadians to work abroad.

It is senseless to write one set of rules for our industry, while we take advantage of other countries' industry.

I personally know more than 10 guys who work overseas. Why is that allowed?

Who would want to stop Canadians from working abroad? Anyway it wouldn't work. We have dire shortages here in some professions (doctors for one) so I don't think we can expect to bring workers in without letting a few go out. Besides it's a good way to "kill two birds with one stone".............letting someone else pay their wages and keeping more positions open for our own people.
 

petros

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There is a reason why Red Seal Journeymen with a travel card are called Journeymen. You work one industrial project and move on to the next.

All of those people will be working another project in a short time.

Not giving them notice was a major assh0le move by Black & McDonald.
 

karrie

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I don't have a problem bring in skilled people if there are no Canadians available but it should be Canadians first in line. This practice of putting Canadians out of work and bringing in cheap foreign labour to replace them is just wrong and it needs to stop.

I get what you're saying, BUT, I also am not willing to take a union's word for it that the workers are a) unskilled, or b) that the only reason they were brought in is cost.

So far all the news regarding this has been very one sided, and when that side is unions, I always doubt its honesty.

Who would want to stop Canadians from working abroad? Anyway it wouldn't work. We have dire shortages here in some professions (doctors for one) so I don't think we can expect to bring workers in without letting a few go out. Besides it's a good way to "kill two birds with one stone".............letting someone else pay their wages and keeping more positions open for our own people.

Yes, I'm abundantly aware of that.

Yeah but some bleeding heart Liberals "on this forum" believe in distribution of wealth..

These people are scabs and the 300 laid off should do a blockade of the business..


Someone replacing you when your contract is up, is NOT scab work, and does not justify a blockade.

It happens all the time, in every contract oriented business, and the unions would be severely abusing their strength in numbers (essentially strong arming businesses) if they did what you suggest.
 

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So you would make women exempt?

Not all, but women with Children have to find certain jobs to fit caring for kids, handicap or special needs, exempt.

But anyone Single and Able, should not be on welfare in Canada.

Also, they laid those 250 people off, they are now entitled to Poggie for 6 months, while Husky Oil gets cheaper labor.. Basically the Canadian taxpayers just subsidized Husky Oil!!

I get what you're saying, BUT, I also am not willing to take a union's word for it that the workers are a) unskilled, or b) that the only reason they were brought in is cost.

So far all the news regarding this has been very one sided, and when that side is unions, I always doubt its honesty..

Hey, I'll go with the Union on this one..

When I was a young kid my Dad was top boss at a chemical plant, and when they went on strike, Unions and Staff threatened my Dad and my family.. so, personally I hate unions.. think everywhere should be like Texas.. a Right to Work State.

With that said, a company doing business in Canada should be required to hire Canadians first.. not import hired help from other nations.

We have already sold out our energy resources to foreign countries, do we have to now sell out the jobs.. just lower the Canadian flag and raise a Chinese one..

 

PoliticalNick

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I get what you're saying, BUT, I also am not willing to take a union's word for it that the workers are a) unskilled, or b) that the only reason they were brought in is cost.

So far all the news regarding this has been very one sided, and when that side is unions, I always doubt its honesty.

I actually don't have a problem with them getting rid of the union....I hate unions. If they can find a bunch of non-union tradesman in Canada that's great, have at it. If you can't find Canadians cheaper then you're stuck with the union, too bad, so sad!
 

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I actually don't have a problem with them getting rid of the union....I hate unions. If they can find a bunch of non-union tradesman in Canada that's great, have at it. If you can't find Canadians cheaper then you're stuck with the union, too bad, so sad!

Actually I think Unions have a valuable role to play, but it's kind of on the back burner while they stick their noses into other matters. We still have a situation in B.C. where workers are being killed almost weekly and injured on a daily basis. THAT is where I think the Union should be devoting their efforts, doing ongoing inspections at work sites as it is obvious not enough of this is being done. As far as Unions acting on behalf of workers, that is a joke, the "workers" that they act on behalf of are the drones, parasites and sh*t disturbers.
 

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I actually don't have a problem with them getting rid of the union....I hate unions. If they can find a bunch of non-union tradesman in Canada that's great, have at it. If you can't find Canadians cheaper then you're stuck with the union, too bad, so sad!


This knife cuts both ways.

Hitch your horse to the union wagon, and the union ends up crapping in your bed, then 'too bad, so sad' applies equally to those workers that agreed to get involved with poor union management
 

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I actually don't have a problem with them getting rid of the union....I hate unions. If they can find a bunch of non-union tradesman in Canada that's great, have at it. If you can't find Canadians cheaper then you're stuck with the union, too bad, so sad!

Unions do serve a purpose although they often overstep their bounds. Not too many nonunion construction jobs where everyone makes +100G a year and medical, dental, LTD and pension with all travel costs born by the company.
 

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When Canadians go to work abroad the locals say the same thing.

And I dont blame them.

You know in Kelowna, they wanted to bring in temporary workers to pick apples and other fruit, but someone came up with the great idea to cut off welfare recipients if they didn't go pick..

Strange. I did tree planting one summer. I wouldnt have minded picking adults instead. It seems odd that they'd have to bring in foreign labour for that.

Even if the product is sub standard?

Improve the training or fire the ones that are purposely slacking.
 

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From a free enterprise perspective, the company is doing nothing wrong. There are people all over the world willing to work for a lot less money than Canadians are. They will also work at more dangerous jobs without whining about safety. The workers tend to be far from home, so much easier to control and manipulate.

Once we get rid of the unions, then there won't be anybody to complain about TFWs.
 

WLDB

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That sounds fair. IF, you stop allowing Canadians to work abroad.

Id leave that decision to foreign governments. If they want to hire Canadians or anyone else, fine. Its their country. When it comes to people working here it should be us who make the decisions.
 

PoliticalNick

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From a free enterprise perspective, the company is doing nothing wrong. There are people all over the world willing to work for a lot less money than Canadians are. They will also work at more dangerous jobs without whining about safety. The workers tend to be far from home, so much easier to control and manipulate.

Once we get rid of the unions, then there won't be anybody to complain about TFWs.

Actually there are laws against bringing in foreigners to do a job if capable Canadians are available so the company is breaking the law.