Ted Cruz: Can't touch this

[BornRuff]

How can I compete with someone who uses talking points distributed by the Democrat party that have no basis on reality?

In other words... 24 Billion BS.

Nope, it was released by Standard and Poor's, a company that the White House was actually suing last year, so I doubt they have all that much affinity for each other.

S&P | Impact Of The Debt Ceiling Debate On The U.S. Economy--Getting Worse By The Day | Americas

Where?

In the example you gave about people on welfare in your state.

They tried to stop the disaster that happened and is happening.

Well no sh*t!

And why? Because it is a disaster, that is why. And you're admitting it was because why else would it be easier to attack? Your own words has flattened your argument right here regardless of what you say from this point on.

And they tried to stop it... didn't they?

But there you were ripping the GOP for trying to stop Obamacare before it rolled out and off the tracks.

You're coming around it seems. Good for you.

This is why we need the puppy killing analogy.

Regardless of how I feel about the Affordable Care Act, the way they went about trying to attack it was stupid and harmful to the United States.

 

[Walter]

Regardless of how I feel about the Affordable Care Act, the way they went about trying to attack it was stupid and harmful to the United States.

Tabling and passing BHOcare is stupid and harmful to the US. Has S&P tabulated the costs of BHOcare so far?

 

[BornRuff]

Tabling and passing BHOcare is stupid and harmful to the US. Has S&P tabulated the costs of BHOcare so far?

You tell me.

 

[Walter]

You tell me.

Let's ask the millions who lost their ins.

 

[EagleSmack]

Nope, it was released by Standard and Poor's, a company that the White House was actually suing last year, so I doubt they have all that much affinity for each other.

S&P | Impact Of The Debt Ceiling Debate On The U.S. Economy--Getting Worse By The Day | Americas

There Will Be No $24B Economic Loss From The Government Shutdown - Forbes




BOOM

In the example you gave about people on welfare in your state.

Do you want to know how many billions of Federal Funds are spent on entitlements? Are you sure?

This is why we need the puppy killing analogy.

Regardless of how I feel about the Affordable Care Act, the way they went about trying to attack it was stupid and harmful to the United States.

So trying to stop a, what everyone can clearly see now, disastrous piece of legislation was the wrong thing to do?


In a way I want the Congress to try to stop the White House from illegally changing or stopping the bill any further. I do not see how a President can sign a law passed by Congress... then change roll out dates and the law without Congressional approval. When was he declared King? The roll out was only the individual mandate... President Obama (on his own) delayed the employer mandate. Only one shoe has fallen. I won't even get into "If you like your policy you can keep it... if you like your doctor you can keep him or her". Flat out lies. This is far from over and there is so much more pain to come with this.

 

[BornRuff]

There Will Be No $24B Economic Loss From The Government Shutdown - Forbes

BOOM

Lol, so you found someone critical of a piece of research. Shocking!

Have you ever followed any topic in academia?

This guy is a professional contrarian. Kind of interesting insight, but too simplistic.

Do you want to know how many billions of Federal Funds are spent on entitlements? Are you sure?

Of course, but how much of what you are talking about is actually part of the federal government budget?

So trying to stop a, what everyone can clearly see now, disastrous piece of legislation was the wrong thing to do?

The idea is different than the means.

Lets be clear though, we have not even started to get a full view of the impacts of The Affordable Care Act.

In a way I want the Congress to try to stop the White House from illegally changing or stopping the bill any further. I do not see how a President can sign a law passed by Congress... then change roll out dates and the law without Congressional approval. When was he declared King? The roll out was only the individual mandate... President Obama (on his own) delayed the employer mandate. Only one shoe has fallen. I won't even get into "If you like your policy you can keep it... if you like your doctor you can keep him or her". Flat out lies. This is far from over and there is so much more pain to come with this.

I guess it would be up to the Supreme Court, but I imagine that adjusting things such as dates is would be within his executive powers.

 

[gopher]

That is an asinine question, so we are just going to ignore that for now.

Regardless of personal beliefs on certain issues, the issue here is really about democracy. The people gave a clear mandate to Obama and the Senate to implement The Affordable Care Act but a relatively small group decided to hold the entire nation hostage, trying to ruin everyone financially if they didn't get to impose their ideas on everyone else.

As I have written enough times on this forum, the debt can be ended by simply eliminating all overseas tax shelters. There are other political reforms that can be employed. Unfortunately, the right wing persists in blaming ACA for the deficit while ignoring all other factors which contribute to it. But everyone else knows better.

 

[tay]

Last year, Sen. Ted "LOL" Cruz (R-TX) told anyone within earshot that if Republicans failed to repeal Obamacare by January 1, 2014, they would never be able to repeal Obamacare: "If we get to January 1, this thing is here forever."


But now that date has come and gone, and even though Republicans failed to repeal Obamacare, Cruz says he still believes it can be done. Why? Well:

The reason Cruz thinks the law can still be repealed is that he and others had the high-profile fight to defund Obamacare in the first place. "I think we are seeing the fruits of the battle that so many millions of Americans engaged in last fall to stop Obamacare," Cruz said. "I think the direct result of that fight was to elevate the national debate about the harms that Obamacare has caused. And as a consequence, I think the terrain has changed, and I believe we will repeal Obamacare."​

In other words, LOL Cruz thinks Republicans can still repeal Obamacare because they failed to repeal Obamacare. And as stupid as that sounds, I guess it sort of makes sense, because—as I'm sure Cruz would argue if asked to elaborate—you can't repeal something that's already been repealed.


In fact, when you spin the words that way, the True Genius of LOL Cruz becomes apparent, because if he'd succeeded in repealing Obamacare last year, Republicans would have nothing to do this year. But he did fail, and because of that failure, they can Keep Hope Alive. Or something.

 

[EagleSmack]

Lol, so you found someone critical of a piece of research. Shocking!

I guess Forbes doesn't cut it for you eh? There were others too.

Have you ever followed any topic in academia?

Oh please explain that insanely broad question.

This guy is a professional contrarian. Kind of interesting insight, but too simplistic.

Hurts when you've been out played doesn't it?

Of course, but how much of what you are talking about is actually part of the federal government budget?

Here you go for what good it will do. I am sure you'll disagree because it does not fit your argument.

CBO: Entitlements, ObamaCare To Make Up 53% of Federal Spending | CNS News

The idea is different than the means.

Lets be clear though, we have not even started to get a full view of the impacts of The Affordable Care Act.

You're right. It will get worse. We have Romney Care in Massachusetts a watered down Obamacare. Highest health care costs in the country. Look out America!

I guess it would be up to the Supreme Court, but I imagine that adjusting things such as dates is would be within his executive powers.

Adjusting dates as well as parts of the law he has sworn to uphold (not change as he sees fit) is now part of the Executive Powers? Be careful what you wish for. He may be President for 2 more years and Hillary may be the next one but they won't be in the driver's seat forever.

 

[BornRuff]

I guess Forbes doesn't cut it for you eh? There were others too.

Oh please explain that insanely broad question.

Hurts when you've been out played doesn't it?

Why would you expect an article in a popular magazine would automatically outweigh research from one of the most respected financial research and analysis firms in the world?

When people want information on which to base trillion dollar investments, they go to Standard and Poor's, not a columnist in Forbes.

The guy's ideas are simplistic because he has blind faith that markets are perfectly efficient. They are not, especially when you have so much uncertainty caused by a government shutdown.

Here you go for what good it will do. I am sure you'll disagree because it does not fit your argument.

CBO: Entitlements, ObamaCare To Make Up 53% of Federal Spending | CNS News

In regards to your link there, did you actually read it? The Affordable Care Act accounts for 2% of that, a tiny fraction of other programs like Medicare or Medicaid.

It kind of makes you wonder why so much time and effort is being put into this.

You're right. It will get worse. We have Romney Care in Massachusetts a watered down Obamacare. Highest health care costs in the country. Look out America!

So Massachusetts went from being a cheap place to get healthcare to super expensive? Or has it always been an expensive place with tons of old people and many of the most high profile hospitals in the country?

Adjusting dates as well as parts of the law he has sworn to uphold (not change as he sees fit) is now part of the Executive Powers? Be careful what you wish for. He may be President for 2 more years and Hillary may be the next one but they won't be in the driver's seat forever.

The US makes administrative changes to how laws are carried out every day. It is how the government functions. They don't need congressional approval for every little decision that they make. They would need congressional approval if they needed more money or to change what they are going to do with that money, but specific roll out dates are definitely flexible within the law.

That being said, if you want an example of a president who undermined congress at every turn, look back at your last guy.

 

[EagleSmack]

Why would you expect an article in a popular magazine would automatically outweigh research from one of the most respected financial research and analysis firms in the world?

When people want information on which to base trillion dollar investments, they go to Standard and Poor's, not a columnist in Forbes.

The guy's ideas are simplistic because he has blind faith that markets are perfectly efficient. They are not, especially when you have so much uncertainty caused by a government shutdown.

And S&P's is too simplistic. Did it even count the back wages? Drink deeply of the Kool-Aid!

In regards to your link there, did you actually read it? The Affordable Care Act accounts for 2% of that, a tiny fraction of other programs like Medicare or Medicaid.

It kind of makes you wonder why so much time and effort is being put into this.

Moving the goal posts are we? You saw the large number so you decided to narrow your scope to Obamacare as if that was all we were talking about?

Entitlements... that is what you questioned me on. You're floored by the number so you tried to move the goal post.... FAIL.

Sorry Charlie.

So Massachusetts went from being a cheap place to get healthcare to super expensive? Or has it always been an expensive place with tons of old people and many of the most high profile hospitals in the country?

Oh that was a stinger to your argument wasn't it. So you have to dismiss reason.

The US makes administrative changes to how laws are carried out every day. It is how the government functions. They don't need congressional approval for every little decision that they make. They would need congressional approval if they needed more money or to change what they are going to do with that money, but specific roll out dates are definitely flexible within the law.

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I think you should keep up with current events on the powers of the Executive Office and not what he has been able to get away with.

That being said, if you want an example of a president who undermined congress at every turn, look back at your last guy.

Of course... Blaming Bush.

When all else fails.

 

[BornRuff]

And S&P's is too simplistic. Did it even count the back wages?

Yup

Moving the goal posts are we? You saw the large number so you decided to narrow your scope to Obamacare as if that was all we were talking about?

Sorry Charlie.

Point me to the last time Medicare or Medicaid has been mentioned in this thread. Post number please.

Oh that was a stinger to your argument wasn't it. So you have to dismiss reason.

Lol, no, I am trying to bring reason into this. If you can't see the relevance of what I am saying you might be in over your head. These should be pretty simple questions.

The White House has approved this message.

I think you should keep up with current events on the powers of the Executive Office and not what he has been able to get away with.

Have you followed every other administrative change to policies from every other president? They do this stuff all the time. It would be insane to require staff to go to congress for every adjustment in date for a program.

Of course... Blaming Bush.

When all else fails.

If you are going to consider the actions of a president, doesn't it make sense to look at it in context of what other presidents do?

 

[pgs]

Yup



Point me to the last time Medicare or Medicaid has been mentioned in this thread. Post number please.



Lol, no, I am trying to bring reason into this. If you can't see the relevance of what I am saying you might be in over your head. These should be pretty simple questions.



Have you followed every other administrative change to policies from every other president? They do this stuff all the time. It would be insane to require staff to go to congress for every adjustment in date for a program.



If you are going to consider the actions of a president, doesn't it make sense to look at it in context of what other presidents do?

Does some one actually pay you to write this ? I hope they think they are getting their money's worth .

 

[BornRuff]

Does some one actually pay you to write this ? I hope they think they are getting their money's worth .

Is it really that hard to believe that someone might disagree with you?

 

[pgs]

Is it really that hard to believe that someone might disagree with you?

Not at all .

 

[EagleSmack]

Yup

Nope

Point me to the last time Medicare or Medicaid has been mentioned in this thread. Post number please.

Scroll up and follow along with the thread. That's how it works. ENTITLEMENTS... that is your hint.

If you can't follow along then you've reached your capacity limit. I am not going to hold your hand through this because you are now getting lost. Moving goal posts and your inability to keep up does not mean you win... it just means you've been stumped.

Lol, no, I am trying to bring reason into this. If you can't see the relevance of what I am saying you might be in over your head. These should be pretty simple questions.

See above

Have you followed every other administrative change to policies from every other president? They do this stuff all the time. It would be insane to require staff to go to congress for every adjustment in date for a program.



If you are going to consider the actions of a president, doesn't it make sense to look at it in context of what other presidents do?

"Have you followed every other administrative change to policies from every other president?"... "they do this stuff all the time"

good grief

Ok... maybe it is you over your head.

Just revert to blaming Bush... you're obviously at the end.

 

[taxslave]

So does paying farmers not to grow crops count as entitlements or vote buying? Is there a difference?

 

[EagleSmack]

So does paying farmers not to grow crops count as entitlements or vote buying? Is there a difference?

Yes there is waste in those programs too. I would put that under entitlements. There is so much pork that can be cut.

 

[BornRuff]

Nope

Yup. All you have to do is read.

Scroll up and follow along with the thread. That's how it works. ENTITLEMENTS... that is your hint.

If you can't follow along then you've reached your capacity limit. I am not going to hold your hand through this because you are now getting lost. Moving goal posts and your inability to keep up does not mean you win... it just means you've been stumped.

Lol. You are saying that I am moving the goal posts here?

What is the only specific program that has been mentioned over and over and over again in this thread? What did Cruz and his friends shut down the government trying to defund?

Entitlements in general should be the focus, but it clearly isn't. If you use the overall entitlement spending figure in an argument about the Affordable Care Act, we necessarily have to pull out what part of it is actually associated with the Affordable Care Act.

"Have you followed every other administrative change to policies from every other president?"... "they do this stuff all the time"

good grief

Ok... maybe it is you over your head.

Just revert to blaming Bush... you're obviously at the end.

I see a lot of anger in you, but very little ability to express yourself. If you have a point, spit it out.

As I have written enough times on this forum, the debt can be ended by simply eliminating all overseas tax shelters. There are other political reforms that can be employed. Unfortunately, the right wing persists in blaming ACA for the deficit while ignoring all other factors which contribute to it. But everyone else knows better.

Ideas like that are nice, but are not realistic. People are always going to find ways to hide most of that money. While it certainly doesn't hurt to go after what we can, we can't count on it to solve our problems.

 

[EagleSmack]

Yup. All you have to do is read.

You probably should take your own advice.

Lol. You are saying that I am moving the goal posts here?

Yes

What is the only specific program that has been mentioned over and over and over again in this thread? What did Cruz and his friends shut down the government trying to defund?

Entitlements in general should be the focus, but it clearly isn't. If you use the overall entitlement spending figure in an argument about the Affordable Care Act, we necessarily have to pull out what part of it is actually associated with the Affordable Care Act.

You are having trouble following or were completely shocked.

Either way you moved the goal post. It is all here... where you began your nose dive.

In the example you gave about people on welfare in your state.

.

Do you want to know how many billions of Federal Funds are spent on entitlements? Are you sure?

.

Of course, but how much of what you are talking about is actually part of the federal government budget?

I see a lot of anger in you, but very little ability to express yourself. If you have a point, spit it out.

Sigh.

Just stick to Bush did it. You'll be ok.