Technical question on WTC collapse

[EagleSmack]

Wide debris field
small hole in the pentagoon-------------------and you will note that the section hit was convieniently under reconstruction, another coincidence among many of that day.

Even though you are avoiding the question let us talk about the wide debris field. Let me give you a quote.


Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards."

But the small hole in the Pentagon? Ok... what does that mean? A missile? Then what happened to Flt. 77? Again the dissapearance Flt. 77 is just a mere technicality and irrelavent because you want to believe a missile hit the Pentagon. Oh and they just managed to get airplane debris around the site. See link.

http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

 

[TenPenny]

You really need to do more research SNFU, 85% of the fuel was burn during the initial hit and explosion. The remaining fires of drywall, chairs, desks, etc. cannot get hot enough to to burn those steel cores, 47 of them in fact. I could go on and on, but only with people who have done their homework. I have listed some videos and info on another thread about bush merging US, CA, and MX on this forum and if you go there it's all on the last pages. I understand it really takes a quantum jump to wrap your head around this (no offense intended, that was just a personal testimony), but once you view the videos and start seeing the political infastructure and players it gets clearer.

You could go on and on, and probably will, but the fact that you don't know what you're talking about, and you and these sources are grasping at straws simply because you cannot believe what happened, makes you laughable.

I don't care what videos and crap sources you post; I've taken enough structural engineering courses to have a pretty damn good idea what would happen if you flew a jet plane into a building. I watched the damn thing live on TV, and said, "that's going to fall down soon, there's no way that's going to survive".

I was right. You're wrong. Get used to it.

That is all.

 

[CDNBear]

FYI, I was bord today and tried Tonningtons experiment...

I beat on a AS/NZS 3678 - 450 structural plate, this is the most common type of steel used in highrise contruction. I use it for making "dead stops" and "wearing plates" on heavy equipment and in the bottom of shaft lifts.

I beat on it with a 10lb sledge for 5 minutes.

Tonnington was right, it went from room temp, which was at the time I started(using a lazer temp reader) 25 degrees C, it was 40 degrees C when I stopped.

Not exactly scientific finding, with the lack of controls, but it sure was neat to see Tonningtons science come to life.

Now I wonder exactly how much energy would have been transmitted via an impact at what, 400 knots/hour would have inflicted on the same steel under huge amounts of stress.

 

[EagleSmack]

The fact that two planes flew into the WTC Towers is irrelavent. Secret CIA Construction Workers and Demolition experts worked each night removing walls and setting charges on key beams and girders. Before the night was over they put the walls and ceilings back just as they left them. All of the paint was matched perfectly. Not a picture on a desk or wall was out of place when the people showed up each morning to work. As a matter of fact, these CIA Laborers were so good that they disconnected plumbing, HVAC, Telcom as well as the other hundreds of services that you find above the ceiling grids AND put them back together before the start of day. So when Suzy and Tom showed up at 9am or so the water and AC was fine each day. They vacummed up all of the dust in the hallways and offices after each night. These guys were so good that the Rent-A-Cops and Port Authority Police did not hear or see anything out of the ordinary. The key part was not one person stayed late at night at work or showed up early so the CIA and FBI COnstruction Workers could set charges and clean up. All of the drilling that takes hours to accomplish was done with silent drills... secret silent drills. Super Secret and Super Fast Drills made in Super Secret factories. What typically takes months to accomplish by world reknown building demolitions experts was accomplished in no time at all under the orders of Bush and the NWO. But not just one building but both Towers and since they got done so fast and had some extra charges left they said

"Hey... Lets do Bldg. 7 just for kicks!"

So when that was accomplished they had CIA agents willing to give their lives for the NWO get wicked good tans, speak Arabic and smash planes into the buildings. The neat part was that not one plane struck any of the detonation cords or charges. The heat from the planes exploding and fires did not prematurely set of one charge... NOT ONE!Not one cord was severed so the CIA and FBI could set the charges off. These guys were great I tell you. They did their home work.

Shall I go on?

 

[Tonington]

FYI, I was bord today and tried Tonningtons experiment...

I beat on a AS/NZS 3678 - 450 structural plate, this is the most common type of steel used in highrise contruction. I use it for making "dead stops" and "wearing plates" on heavy equipment and in the bottom of shaft lifts.

I beat on it with a 10lb sledge for 5 minutes.

Tonnington was right, it went from room temp, which was at the time I started(using a lazer temp reader) 25 degrees C, it was 40 degrees C when I stopped.

Not exactly scientific finding, with the lack of controls, but it sure was neat to see Tonningtons science come to life.

Now I wonder exactly how much energy would have been transmitted via an impact at what, 400 knots/hour would have inflicted on the same steel under huge amounts of stress.

Cool. Hopefully no customers stopped by to see the crazed Bear, mumbling about crazy theories and what not

 

[hermanntrude]

FYI, I was bord today and tried Tonningtons experiment...

I beat on a AS/NZS 3678 - 450 structural plate, this is the most common type of steel used in highrise contruction. I use it for making "dead stops" and "wearing plates" on heavy equipment and in the bottom of shaft lifts.

I beat on it with a 10lb sledge for 5 minutes.

Tonnington was right, it went from room temp, which was at the time I started(using a lazer temp reader) 25 degrees C, it was 40 degrees C when I stopped.

Not exactly scientific finding, with the lack of controls, but it sure was neat to see Tonningtons science come to life.

Now I wonder exactly how much energy would have been transmitted via an impact at what, 400 knots/hour would have inflicted on the same steel under huge amounts of stress.

and what kind of heat would be generated DURING the collapse, with floor after floor smashing into each other? that might account for the molten steel which may or may not have been found

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Shall I go on?

Please do, on this or any other subject. That was excellent. ;-)

 

[Tonington]

Bravo Eaglesmack:hello1:

 

[CDNBear]

Cool. Hopefully no customers stopped by to see the crazed Bear, mumbling about crazy theories and what not

Nope just the neighbours, a couple sales guys from next door came by to see what the F I was doing, the noise was so loud and my doors were open, it reverbed all the way up and down the bizmall. That's how I got beans and ribs for lunch. The sales guys took me out to hear my side of the theory. I got to beat the crap out of some scrap steel, break a sweat and get a free meal, it was a good day.

and what kind of heat would be generated DURING the collapse, with floor after floor smashing into each other? that might account for the molten steel which may or may not have been found

I still haven't got through that link buddy posted on the metal, there seems to be only just a couple witnesses to this. That leads me to believ that there is something wrong with the story, seeing as ground zero was a hotbed of activity and there were literally thousands of eyes on it, you'ld think that there would be not only tons of personal accounts, but some scientific research done. That event is quite an extrordinary thing to have go undocumented by several sources and scientists.

 

[darkbeaver]

There's no evidence in this thread either that would support the official government conspiracy story, some backyard experiments by a crazy forest dwelling animal and some entertainment from the acolytes of improbability but no real hard facts other than the buildings were hit by airplanes and melted and the other building was so lonely it fell down too.ha:smile:

 

[talloola]

The fact that two planes flew into the WTC Towers is irrelavent. Secret CIA Construction Workers and Demolition experts worked each night removing walls and setting charges on key beams and girders. Before the night was over they put the walls and ceilings back just as they left them. All of the paint was matched perfectly. Not a picture on a desk or wall was out of place when the people showed up each morning to work. As a matter of fact, these CIA Laborers were so good that they disconnected plumbing, HVAC, Telcom as well as the other hundreds of services that you find above the ceiling grids AND put them back together before the start of day. So when Suzy and Tom showed up at 9am or so the water and AC was fine each day. They vacummed up all of the dust in the hallways and offices after each night. These guys were so good that the Rent-A-Cops and Port Authority Police did not hear or see anything out of the ordinary. The key part was not one person stayed late at night at work or showed up early so the CIA and FBI COnstruction Workers could set charges and clean up. All of the drilling that takes hours to accomplish was done with silent drills... secret silent drills. Super Secret and Super Fast Drills made in Super Secret factories. What typically takes months to accomplish by world reknown building demolitions experts was accomplished in no time at all under the orders of Bush and the NWO. But not just one building but both Towers and since they got done so fast and had some extra charges left they said

"Hey... Lets do Bldg. 7 just for kicks!"

So when that was accomplished they had CIA agents willing to give their lives for the NWO get wicked good tans, speak Arabic and smash planes into the buildings. The neat part was that not one plane struck any of the detonation cords or charges. The heat from the planes exploding and fires did not prematurely set of one charge... NOT ONE!Not one cord was severed so the CIA and FBI could set the charges off. These guys were great I tell you. They did their home work.

Shall I go on?

It's so satisfying when someone comes along and explains everything just exactly how you were
thinking, (only never could put on peper, or explain to anyone.) It's so sensible, and realistic and true.
Thank you for explaining how "IMPOSSIBLE" it could have been.

 

[darkbeaver]

Jeb Bush ran the company that performed maintenance and security on the WTC buildings, you know Jebs idiot brother is George Bush. The demolition work could have been carried out over a period of years, since there is evidence that the conspiracy to destroy WTC buildings began in 93. EagleSmack has written a funny little story but that's not evidence, it does point out the difficultys with installing the charges in the conventional manner. The difficulty in getting the airspace security to stand down would have been very much more difficult however.:smile:

 

[I think not]

Jeb Bush ran the company that performed maintenance and security on the WTC buildings, you know Jebs idiot brother is George Bush.

It was Marvin Bush and he left the company in 2000.

The demolition work could have been carried out over a period of years, since there is evidence that the conspiracy to destroy WTC buildings began in 93.

Prove it.

EagleSmack has written a funny little story but that's not evidence, it does point out the difficultys with installing the charges in the conventional manner. The difficulty in getting the airspace security to stand down would have been very much more difficult however.:smile:

EagleSmack provides a funny little story that isn't evidence? No shyte sherlock, you figured that out on your lonesome?

And what have you provided other than the usual nonsensical Leftist blather?

 

[darkbeaver]

Thankyou for your contribution ITN, as usual it's invaluabubble, thank goodness you write short easy to understand little notes.:smile:

 

[hermanntrude]

he's currently making a better point than you

 

[darkbeaver]

And what would that be Herm?

 

[hermanntrude]

actually at least two points:

1) your first point is invalid because you got it wrong, and the reality (according to ITN, at least) makes the setting of explosives much more difficult than you say

2) that you have no proof whatsoever that this conspiracy started in 1993.

 

[darkbeaver]

9/11 Security
Courtesy of Marvin Bush​

Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]

According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."
The company lists as government clients "the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S Air force, and the Department of Justice," in projects that "often require state-of-the-art security solutions for classified or high-risk government sites."
Stratesec (Securacom) differs from other security companies which separate the function of consultant from that of service provider. The company defines itself as a "single-source" provider of "end-to-end" security services, including everything from diagnosis of existing systems to hiring subcontractors to installing video and electronic equipment. It also provides armored vehicles and security guards.
The Dulles Internation contract is another matter. Dulles is regarded as "absolutely a sensitive airport," according to security consultant Wayne Black, head of a Florida-based security firm, due to its location, size, and the number of international carriers it serves.

Black has not heard of Stratesec, but responds that for one company to handle security for both airports and airlines is somewhat unusual. It is also delicate for a security firm serving international facilities to be so interlinked with a foreign-owned company: "Somebody knew somebody," he suggested, or the contract would have been more closely scrutinized.

As Black points out, "when you [a company] have a security contract, you know the inner workings of everything." And if another company is linked with the security company, then "What's on your computer is on their computer." [American Reporter]​

Heightened WTC Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted​

 

[darkbeaver]

Heightened WTC Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted​

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY NewsDay]

Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down​

On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower." [WingTV]​

 

[hermanntrude]

so as ITN mentioned he left the company in 2000, what happened for the rest of the time? and if he was in on it, did he do all the work himself? or did he pay hundreds of other guys, all of whom were perfect at keeping secrets?

and as eaglesmack said, how did the planes manage to hit without damaging any of the explosive devices or ignition systems?