Taliban Opens Negotiation.

[Unforgiven]

Anyone have a counter offer?
Apr 12, 2009 12:56 PM

Noor Khan
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS


KANDAHAR–A female provincial official known for fighting for women's rights was gunned down in southern Afghanistan on Sunday, following a day of fighting in the region that left 22 militants dead, officials said.

A Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousef Ahmedi, claimed responsibility for the attack.

Gunmen killed Sitara Achakzai outside her home in Kandahar city and then drove off, said Matiullah Khan Qateh, police chief of Kandahar province. He said the four men drove up on two motorcycles and shot Achakzai as she was getting out of her car.

Achakzai, a dual German-Afghan citizen, spent the years of Taliban rule in Germany and returned to her native country to fight for women's rights, said Shahida Bibi, a member of the Kandahar women's association who worked with Achakzai.

A member of Kandahar's provincial council, Achakzai was vocal in encouraging women to take jobs and encouraging them to fight for equal rights, Bibi said.

A family member told The Canadian Press that Achakzai's 99-year-old mother and sister are living in Markham. {Ontario}

The day before in neighbouring Zabul province, Afghan soldiers and police killed 22 militants in a nighttime gunbattle, the Interior Ministry said in a statement. The ministry said an Afghan army convoy came under attack and police came to its aid.

The U.S. military separately reported that Afghan and coalition forces killed four militants Saturday in the same area – the Shinkay district of Zabul province. It was not immediately clear if the reports referred to the same incident.

The U.S. said the joint forces were attacked Saturday by gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades while patrolling in Shinkay. They fired back and called in close-air support, a U.S. statement said.

Provincial police Chief Abdul Rahman Furjung said four bodies had been brought to the district police station but locals reported finding many more dead in the area. He also said 22 militants died.

Neither Furjung nor the U.S. military reported any civilian casualties, and the U.S. said no Afghan army or coalition troops were wounded.
Also Saturday, a suicide bomber was killed in southern Helmand province when he tried to enter a police station, the Interior Ministry said. Police shot the would-be bomber and his explosives detonated before he could enter the compound. The attacker was the only person killed, the ministry said.

Meanwhile, NATO forces reported that they killed 18 insurgents Friday in a strike against insurgents in Kunar province.

With files from The Canadian Press

 

[darkbeaver]

plan B

Yeah so what? You could find the same story almost anywhere on the planet, what makes Afghanistan special? You'll be able to find that kind of show right here in America this year. It's just a place to consume expensive arms and munitions performing destruction which generates biz.
We are entering a period of steep economic decline, a protracted human rights mission like our glorious Afghan Salvation Roadshow would severely impact social spending here on the homefront very much sooner than later. I say to hell with them screw the yankees leave them to the Taleban Obamas never letting them come home anyway. Save Canada screw Afghanistan.

 

[darkbeaver]

Of course if we (the good guys) hadn't ****ed over the Afghans of the day in the seventys and driven them into the stone age in a decade we wouldn't have gotten the oportunity to save them now. Disaster capitalism >break it suck build it suck break it suck build it suck

 

[taxslave]

Interesting opening position for negotiations. Murder all opposed to your position.
We must never negotiate with terrorists or there will be no end to wanna bees making demands.

 

[Cliffy]

Interesting opening position for negotiations. Murder all opposed to your position.
We must never negotiate with terrorists or there will be no end to wanna bees making demands.

Who are the real terrorists in Afghanistan?

 

[Liberalman]

If only you can find promise keepers instead promise breakers then war would not be an issue.

 

[Unforgiven]

plan B

Yeah so what?

Yeah so negotiating with these animals is not worth consideration, that's what.

You could find the same story almost anywhere on the planet, what makes Afghanistan special?

It's special because our military is there fighting a war against them and some people feel we should stop that war and negotiate. This is the Taliban in negotiation.

You'll be able to find that kind of show right here in America this year.

Oh, all right bring the links and we can see the women's rights activist shot and who is claiming responsibility for it.

It's just a place to consume expensive arms and munitions performing destruction which generates biz.

I was also a place where some nasty people who feel that God wants sacrifice and destruction of civilians in planes and buildings to die for some political position. A place to train them, to recruit them and to orchestrate their export around the world including NA.

We are entering a period of steep economic decline, a protracted human rights mission like our glorious Afghan Salvation Roadshow would severely impact social spending here on the homefront very much sooner than later.

It's only money. If that means that one more State that has failed and fallen to terrorism is changed into a State that observes human rights, works to live in peace and prosperity and raises the standard of living for that population then it's money well spent.

I say to hell with them screw the yankees leave them to the Taleban Obamas never letting them come home anyway. Save Canada screw Afghanistan.

Well a friend doesn't simply abandon a friend. Instead screw the Taliban and make friends with the Afghans who are willing to fight to rid their country of these backward, most insecure men of deep rooted meanness and their want to hurt everyone around them.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yeah so negotiating with these animals is not worth consideration, that's what.



It's special because our military is there fighting a war against them and some people feel we should stop that war and negotiate. This is the Taliban in negotiation.



Oh, all right bring the links and we can see the women's rights activist shot and who is claiming responsibility for it.



I was also a place where some nasty people who feel that God wants sacrifice and destruction of civilians in planes and buildings to die for some political position. A place to train them, to recruit them and to orchestrate their export around the world including NA.



It's only money. If that means that one more State that has failed and fallen to terrorism is changed into a State that observes human rights, works to live in peace and prosperity and raises the standard of living for that population then it's money well spent.



Well a friend doesn't simply abandon a friend. Instead screw the Taliban and make friends with the Afghans who are willing to fight to rid their country of these backward, most insecure men of deep rooted meanness and their want to hurt everyone around them.

I can't find fault with your reasons for your position, it's what I would think were I sure I was looking at the enemy. But I don't see those illiterate farmers and herdsmen in the same way that you do. I'm of the opinion that we cannot force a resolution and we cannot fund one either and we are loath to allow the natural equilibrium to prevail, so you see what ever happens in Afghanistan we are bound by agreements with thieves to make sure that selfdetermination is never an option for Afghans. It only appears that we are there for the Afghans but that is far from reality, there is nothing but soft support for the western position and that must be maintained by guns and bribes. We are there for exactly opposite the stated reasons.
Whats it going to cost us to mold Afghanistan into a perfect client state of the west? A thousand dead Canadian troops? Two thousand? How many are you prepared to jam into the breach and expend to complete a totally undefined mission?

 

[#juan]

Four "men" kill an unarmed woman with machine guns as she was getting out of her car? These people are throwbacks. Obviously civilization has not reached them in the last couple hundred years. The only way this war is gonna be winnable is if we start killing animals like these in greater numbers, and keep on killing them. If we can't do that, we might as well come home.

 

[Unforgiven]

I can't find fault with your reasons for your position, it's what I would think were I sure I was looking at the enemy. But I don't see those illiterate farmers and herdsmen in the same way that you do.

Placing a bomb in a road to kill people does not a farmer nor herdsman make. Reading ability has nothing to do with it. In North America there were plenty of people who couldn't read nor write a word, yet their children went to school, learned a great many things and improved their lot in life many many times over. Now we have equal rights, now we believe in law and justice over religion though religion has it's place.

I'm of the opinion that we cannot force a resolution and we cannot fund one either and we are loath to allow the natural equilibrium to prevail, so you see what ever happens in Afghanistan we are bound by agreements with thieves to make sure that selfdetermination is never an option for Afghans.

It's fine that you have an opinion. But when asked you either have to show the reason behind it or accept that it get discarded for want of one with a reasonable logic supporting it.

You don't think a resolution can be forced, I among others do. In WWII Germany, Italy and Japan all had the resolution brought right to their doorstep and unceremoniously shoved right down their throat.
All three are beautiful countries with warm peaceful cultures living in peace and providing a high standard of living for their people.
Not bad eh?

It only appears that we are there for the Afghans but that is far from reality, there is nothing but soft support for the western position and that must be maintained by guns and bribes. We are there for exactly opposite the stated reasons.

If you think we're there for Afghans you're misinformed. We're there to prevent any of the aholes that ran the country from supporting terrorism and attacking our friends and allies. Very simply, should some country fall into the position where they have become a base for terrorist activities, that in turn attacks us then the choice is clean it up or we will. And then won't like the way we do it.

Whats it going to cost us to mold Afghanistan into a perfect client state of the west? A thousand dead Canadian troops? Two thousand? How many are you prepared to jam into the breach and expend to complete a totally undefined mission?

What's it going to cost us if we don't? Ten thousand, a million 11 million like the 11 million people who live in New York?

As I said before, war shouldn't look pretty and kinda reasonable. That comes from your voiced opinion like those of others when pictures of people with parts blown off hit the news papers and broadcasts.

Now war is supposed to be a nicely sanitized dealy that only hurts the really bad guys but not too much. Just enough so they behave. Sadly reality isn't like that. There are some bad people in the world and they will kill until they are killed. You don't win a war by the amount of men you send to get killed. You win by killing the men they send and this is what we need to get doing without concern of anyone else getting hurt or killed. Thus making the price they have to pay too high for anyone even their most blood crazed religious nut case.

That will win the hearts and minds of who's left when the killing stops and schools can open, food and water becomes available and people can get busy putting a life back together now that no one wants to do any more killing in the name of.

We get the current state of Israel and Palestinians when we try and allow killers to hide among civilians who in turn protect the killers.

 

[darkbeaver]

They are lucky in that part of the world that we are the good guys if we weren't we would be toasting Afghan and Pakistani women and children from a safe distance
with remote controled missles all day everyday instead of only part time like now.


"We get the current state of Israel and Palestinians when we try and allow killers to hide among civilians who in turn protect the killers."

Of course we allow killers to live among us in fine style even lauded as our finest they are, all they need do for the adulation is show a capacity to blindly obey any order and to enjoy the multiple murder of innocents in thier sleep from miles away. Air strikes are doing the recruiting for the Taleban, Afghans are tired of being slaughtered by thier bull**** saviours and rebuilding is comedy, most of the aid flows into western banks through western NGOs and contractors. You are young and stupid if you think we are helping anyone but the powerful and wealthy.

When the womb and body of terrorism is illuminated for us by the Spanish courts we will see the filth we have served and scraped and bowed to all these bloody years. We will know the darkness of misplaced love I think.

 

[gerryh]

I think.

No you don't....that's your biggest problem..... you listen to the a$$hats...let the tinfoil hatters tell you what to think and sponge off the taxpayers.

 

[Francis2004]

Too me his is nothing but a ruse to distract from the real objective of more attacks..

These guys are not here to negotiate anything plain and simple and certainly not at this point..

 

[gopher]

Taliban with their hero and financier:

 

[Unforgiven]

They are lucky in that part of the world that we are the good guys if we weren't we would be toasting Afghan and Pakistani women and children from a safe distance
with remote controled missles all day everyday instead of only part time like now.

If we wanted to get the job done that's exactly what we would do. But lord knows people like you want a slow and constant burn so what can be done? Maybe it doesn't matter to you that people die only who's side their are on. Shame you live here where it's comfortable and you can enjoy your freedom rather than over there where you could fight for what you feel is right and enjoy the lack of freedom the Taliban would offer you.

"We get the current state of Israel and Palestinians when we try and allow killers to hide among civilians who in turn protect the killers."

Of course we allow killers to live among us in fine style even lauded as our finest they are, all they need do for the adulation is show a capacity to blindly obey any order and to enjoy the multiple murder of innocents in thier sleep from miles away.

You say that as though it were a bad thing. Yet those are the same people who stand between you and someone who would gladly cut your head off for Allah. That you seem to think that we should fight a war in a way that allows higher numbers of our military returning home dead shows you don't know the first thing about warfare and base all your thoughts on your emotions.

Air strikes are doing the recruiting for the Taleban, Afghans are tired of being slaughtered by thier bull**** saviours and rebuilding is comedy, most of the aid flows into western banks through western NGOs and contractors. You are young and stupid if you think we are helping anyone but the powerful and wealthy.

I have to agree rebuilding is comedy. But then Afghans get what they put into it. Millions sit idle while Afghans can't even manage to get off their bums to claim the money and build something useful.

Kinda speaks to the reasons this is a failed state to begin with. Religion is control and control is an illusion. Like idiots they watch as their father, uncle, brother gets carried away and blows up a school full of kids or throws acid in the face of women. Like some cud chewing cow cheering them on yet not understanding that they have a place in line. Perhaps the powerful and wealthy wouldn't be all that if Afghans stood up and worked to control their own country for a change.

When the womb and body of terrorism is illuminated for us by the Spanish courts we will see the filth we have served and scraped and bowed to all these bloody years. We will know the darkness of misplaced love I think.

Feel free to post some link to back your claims and referencing quotes would be nice as well.

 

[Unforgiven]

Taliban with their hero and financier:

Come,on Gopher the 80s ended 20 years ago.