tactics of the NRA

[Colpy]

let's see........40,000 deaths per year in Canada caused by smoking, 4000 are involuntary due to second hand smoke.

But cigarettes aren't banned.

112 murders in 2004 with handguns.

How many people were killed on ATVs/motorcycles/snowmobiles? None of which are necessary in society.

Freedom implies risk. The freedom to do, or own anything includes a risk it may be misused or cause injury.

Say it again.....that is the price of freedom, and the price with firearms is relatively low.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Trying to muddy things and maybe change the subject, Colpy?

Doryman, your post on institutionalised racism was an attempt to justify your own racist leanings. No more, no less.

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: tactics of the NRA

Trying to muddy things and maybe change the subject, Colpy?

Doryman, your post on institutionalised racism was an attempt to justify your own racist leanings. No more, no less.

My post on institutionalized racism was the same explanation given to me by an RCMP member when i asked why it seemed to happpen so often. No more, no less.

 

[Reverend Blair]

It's an attempt to justify your own racist leanings. No more, no less.

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: tactics of the NRA

It's an attempt to justify your own racist leanings. No more, no less.

What racist leanings, Rev? And are you sure your constant attacks on anyone who isn't militantly NDP aren't simply an attempt to justify your own self-important and elitist leanings?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Your racist leanings, Doryboy. Your comments about natives are reprehensible. Your support of racial profiling is an attempt to institutionaise your reprehensible stance.

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: tactics of the NRA

Your racist leanings, Doryboy. Your comments about natives are reprehensible. Your support of racial profiling is an attempt to institutionaise your reprehensible stance.

Well none of that was in this thread Captain Off-Topic, but in answer...

I said Some Natives were alcoholics, and the current system needs to be retooled to help them. The truth is not racist.

The support of racial profiling comes from an understanding of how it works. As I have already said, I would rather have a polce force large and capable enough to hjave no need of racial profiling, but which could police the entire populace equally.

Now for gods sake, stop hounding me on this. One topics already been locked because of it.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: tactics of the NRA

let's see........40,000 deaths per year in Canada caused by smoking, 4000 are involuntary due to second hand smoke.

But cigarettes aren't banned.

112 murders in 2004 with handguns.

How many people were killed on ATVs/motorcycles/snowmobiles? None of which are necessary in society.

Freedom implies risk. The freedom to do, or own anything includes a risk it may be misused or cause injury.

Say it again.....that is the price of freedom, and the price with firearms is relatively low.

How about back to the subject at hand?

 

[Reverend Blair]

I said Some Natives were alcoholics,

So are some Irish, some Scots, and some English. I didn't see you singling any of them out. I didn't see you trying to address the social problems that lead to high rates of alcoholism either.

You made the same old racist statement that we've all heard so many times. "Bunch of drunks, let's take away their money."

How about back to the subject at hand?

The subject you're trying to hide by pointing to other ways that people die?

 

[Doryman]

I said Some Natives were alcoholics,

So are some Irish, some Scots, and some English. I didn't see you singling any of them out. That's because the thread was about the problems in Natuashish, REV, but maybe you didn't read it.. I similarly neglect to mention the actions of Albanians when discussing the problems in SE Asia, funny habit of mine. And besides, I in no way implied that only Natives were alcoholics, I mentioned that it was a big problem in NL as well. I'd clarify my point, but I'm already on your list. So who really cares.

I didn't see you trying to address the social problems that lead to high rates of alcoholism either. I did argue that we need to stop throwing more money and start learning how to fix the problems. Of course, I didn't wait for you to say it first, so I must have been wrong.

You made the same old racist statement that we've all heard so many times. "Bunch of drunks, let's take away their money." Yeah, I totally said that like a million times. Rev if you want to continue to badger me, do it by e-mail. Otherwise we're going to get another thread locked needlessly.

How about back to the subject at hand?

The subject you're trying to hide by pointing to other ways that people die?

I think the idea Colpy's getting at is that the amount of money and time spent in banning handguns is extremely disproportional to the problems they cause. We spend much more time worrying abot handguns than we do about car crashes, cigarette smoke and other things that cause death, which doesn't make that much sense...

 

[iamcanadian]

"We spend much more time worrying abot handguns than we do about car crashes, cigarette smoke and other things that cause death,.."

Attacking handguns is sexier than the other things. It's not the seriousness of the proble that attracts attention. It's what sells...

 

[Jay]

It amazes me that only a few people understand this.

 

[Colpy]

I said Some Natives were alcoholics,

So are some Irish, some Scots, and some English. I didn't see you singling any of them out. I didn't see you trying to address the social problems that lead to high rates of alcoholism either.

You made the same old racist statement that we've all heard so many times. "Bunch of drunks, let's take away their money."

How about back to the subject at hand?

The subject you're trying to hide by pointing to other ways that people die?

Don't be ridiculous, Rev.

When you speak of handgun murders, it is worth remembering that 35 times the number of people die each year from second hand smoke, 25 times times die in car crashes, as many as 400 times as many are killed by their doctors.

This is a valid point, and simply an attempt to put the whole thing in perspective.

It is ludicrous to try and seize my handgun to solve such a minor problem.. This crap has to stop. Or we will have no freedom, whatever is not mandatory will be prohibited.

The people with the scary agenda are those that fervently believe in the benefits of a "nanny" state.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I'm not being ridiculous at all, Colpy. Gun issues are not at all related to any of the things you brought up. You are trying to confuse things.

 

[iamcanadian]

More public employees kill themselves each year in Canada on account of psycological abuse by egomanaical director bureaucrats who think they are gods and enjoy doing harm to people for the fun on it; yet we don't have a crack down on assholes in possition of public authority do we?

It would save more lives and improve quality of lives for more people than the gun registry and the banning of handguns combined. It would not cost much to set up a crimestopper-like hotline to get rid of incompetent assholes with public jobs.

 

[JomZ]

Gun lobby scraps ad campaign in wake of Toronto shooting

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2006/national/2005/12/30/gun-lobby051230.html

This is getting irritating. :x

 

[Colpy]

Gun lobby scraps ad campaign in wake of Toronto shooting

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2006/national/2005/12/30/gun-lobby051230.html

This is getting irritating. :x

Why would they scrap the campaign?

The point is my owning handguns and Jamaican gangs blasting each other and innocent 15 year old girls in Toronto have nothing to do with each other.

 

[iamcanadian]

Crimes of most kind can be solved and prevented by offering rewards to people that come forward with evidence of crime. By taking money otherwise wasted in Gun registry and confiscation or other boondogle plans, simply use a fraction of that money to give rewards to regular citizens that have information. The cops can then go and investigate leads based on evidence which will be obtained directly with the money.

People will be less inclined to commit crimes when they know that any one around them might snitch and cash in on the reward money.

The Police (or anything else) cannot prevent crime they can only deal with crime after it is committed. This is where the money should go.

 

[JomZ]

The Police (or anything else) cannot prevent crime they can only deal with crime after it is committed. This is where the money should go.

Ironically, yes the police can only serve and protect after the crime has taken place,

Yet, shouldn't we be putting money into the services that help prevent crime (especially by minors or men in their early 20's).

Also what about gun smuggling, can we not intensify penalties for smuggling weapons and possessing illegal weapons or weapons illegally.

Like you said the police cannot do anything until a crime is committed then I would rather it be on stopping the transactions of weapons then the murder of a 15 year old girl, and the many other victims of gun crime in this city.

 

[FiveParadox]

Crime Prevention

In my opinion, we should make wherever possible an effort to help to prevent crime, rather than promoting an entirely reactionary law enforcement agency. I would rather our law enforcement personnel spend their resources preventing crimes from being committed in the first place.