tactics of the NRA

[iamcanadian]

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Yes it does. Article 3

You can't have the right to personal security if you are not allowed to defend yourself.

 

[Colpy]

What "extremely reprehensible positions".

Plastic guns...you know the kind that don't set off airport metal detectors...were championd by the NRA. Dickless Cheney voted for them too. An end to the assault rifle ban...the NRA pushed hard for that. Fighting to keep cheap handguns (often referred to as Saturday Night Specials) easily available even though their main reason for being is use in street crime. Holding a rally in Columbine after the massacre there. They did the same in at least one other place too. Backing the US militia movement and the survivalists...those are basically terrorist groups. Coming to Canada and giving speeches about how gun nuts here have the same right to bear arms as in the US...in other words LYING to people.

Yeah, we know about the NRA Colpy.

By the way, there is nothing in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights guaranteeing you the right own arms either.

Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong wrong wrong wrong

That's eight times in a single post.

A new record!

The first polymer frame guns were Glocks. They set off metal detectors just as well as any other gun. The entire issue was created by the anti-gun lobby in an attempt to have new types of handguns banned. Now dozens of weapons have polymer frames, but the issue has disappeared, hasn't it? Why? Because they are, and always have been, just as detectable as any other gun. They are still made mostly of steel. You are swallowing whole the lies and manipulations of the Brady Bunch.

The assault weapons ban was a clear violation of the Second Amendment, which the NRA seeks to defend. Are you saying the American Bill of Rights is "reprehensible"?

Yes, they defend the manufacture and sale of cheap handguns. Read the above paragraph. Surely you don't think only the rich should be allowed to afford the means of self-defense, do you?

The rally was in Denver. It was planned before Columbine. To have cancelled it would have been like an admission of guilt, where there was no guilt. Not at all reprehensible.

The militia movement, although dubious as to any effectiveness, is exactly what is protected by the Second Amendment. And what acts of terror did they commit? Timothy McVeigh was booted out of one of the militia because he was too nuts for them. Geez, after the Patriot Act, I'd have thought you guys would have come around to the militia idea.

The right to bear arms and to self-defense is universal and pre-dates any written constitution.

Like the UN grants anyone rights. Sure, Mac, sure.

Obviously, you know very little about the NRA.

 

[peapod]

The National Firearms Association’s website states: “Our goals are simple, more new shooters, more shooters shooting more.”

You coldpy do not deserve to live in this country, I am with numere, why don't you pack up and head south.

 

[Colpy]

The National Firearms Association’s website states: “Our goals are simple, more new shooters, more shooters shooting more.”

You coldpy do not deserve to live in this country, I am with numere, why don't you pack up and head south.

:roll: :roll: :roll: Ah, so typical of the "tolerance" shown by the left.

 

[Numure]

The National Firearms Association’s website states: “Our goals are simple, more new shooters, more shooters shooting more.”

You coldpy do not deserve to live in this country, I am with numere, why don't you pack up and head south.

:roll: :roll: :roll: Ah, so typical of the "tolerance" shown by the left.

Tolerance towards an outcry for violence, yes, indeed.

 

[Jay]

You're a separatist, what the hell do you care if Colpy lives in Canada or the US?

I'm completely surprised by the two of you. I support gun possession, are you going to say I don't deserve to live In Canada too?

 

[Colpy]

The National Firearms Association’s website states: “Our goals are simple, more new shooters, more shooters shooting more.”

You coldpy do not deserve to live in this country, I am with numere, why don't you pack up and head south.

:roll: :roll: :roll: Ah, so typical of the "tolerance" shown by the left.

Tolerance towards an outcry for violence, yes, indeed.

Ah....excuse me?

It is an outcry for freedom.

 

[peapod]

Get real Jay, I am talking about the NRA of the USA coming into our countries politics. I don't have a problem with hunting guns, or people that hunt for food!
Yes I say colppy should move down south, and if you think for one bloody second canadians want that group in this country, you are completely out of touch.
Your right coldply I have no tolerance for hard on with guns and violence.

 

[Colpy]

Get real Jay, I am talking about the NRA of the USA coming into our countries politics..

Any involvement of the NRA in this country's politics simply consists of advice given to pro-gun groups here on how to best influence the political process.

That's it.

No involvement with any political party.

No money.

No campaigning.

Just advice.

OHHHHH, Scary!!!!!

 

[Jay]

I would liken it to Canadians giving American's advice on how to run their health care system.

 

[peapod]

Whatever, I will just keep posting on the tactics of the NRA, a group that is up here as you say, giving advise :roll: :roll: to the conservative party. Your on glue, if you think canadians will tolerate the NRA to push their views on canadians. Canadians better start asking themselves what kind of party pretends to stand up for canada, and need the help the american NRA.

 

[Colpy]

Whatever, I will just keep posting on the tactics of the NRA, a group that is up here as you say, giving advise :roll: :roll: to the conservative party. Your on glue, if you think canadians will tolerate the NRA to push their views on canadians. Canadians better start asking themselves what kind of party pretends to stand up for canada, and need the help the american NRA.

Your entire post is, for the sake of good manners, entirely mistaken.

The Conservative Party of Canada has no connection with the NRA.

The Conservative Party of Canada has no official connection with any of the Canadian pro-firearms groups.

Stephen Harper, at one point, voted FOR Bill C-68, the Firearms Act, as he thought his Calgary constituents would want him to.

As I have said over and over and over, I do not represent the views of the CPC. I do not make their policy, unfortunately, as my policy would be different in many major ways than that of the CPC.

I get very tired of the left's insistence in jumping down into the mud pit and smearing the CPC, all the while maintaining their self-righteous attitude.

It makes me nauseous.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Your twisting of the truth makes me puke, Colpy.

No involvement with any political party.

No money.

No campaigning.

They are a LOBBY GROUP putting pressure on political parties to take their position. The CPC, due to a membership full of radical right wing religious guns and violence nuts, is the party that actually pays attention to the NRA in Canada.

The first polymer frame guns were Glocks.

The NRA lobbies for the "right" of people to own and carry plastic guns. I don't care what the first ones were.

The assault weapons ban was a clear violation of the Second Amendment,

Not in Canada, Colpy...where they also push for the legalisation of such weapons.

Nobody needs a military weapon for any valid purpose though. Besides, your hero Georgie said the US constitution was just a piece of paper.

The right to bear arms and to self-defense is universal and pre-dates any written constitution.

It does not give you the right to carry any weapon that you wish.

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Carrying a handgun does not give you security of person, it takes away others' security of person.

 

[Jay]

"Carrying a handgun does not give you security of person, it takes away others' security of person."


That is BS. So the COPS carry hand guns because they take away from everyone's security of the person.

 

[Colpy]

What I posted was the simple, unvarnished truth, which seems to piss you off more than anything else.

The NRA is not a lobby group in Canada.

The NRA was invited by the oldest and most respected firearms group in Canada to give a seminar on their effective role in lobbying in the United States.

The CANADIAN firearms groups are not connected to any Canadian political party, although one would assume most of their members' sympathies lie with the only party not chomping at the bit for an opportunity to rob them blind. Geez.

Did you read my post on polymer guns? The point being that the Glock is one of the best and most popular handguns in the USA, and there is NO problem with it being detectable. Never was. It was just a lie and smear campaign by the Brady Bunch.

The NRA pushes for NOTHING in Canada.
Personally, I don't think pistol grips, flash hiders, and bayonet lugs are all that lethal. Those are the ONLY difference between "assault" rifles and sporting rifles.

 

[Reverend Blair]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1534305/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1534305/posts
The organization that has been fighting Canada's gun-control laws has offered election help to the Conservatives, and is bringing in a top gun from the U.S. National Rifle Association to show it how to be more effective, it said yesterday.

 

[peapod]

From the front page of the province newspaper in british columbia.

David Carrigg, The Province; with a file by Canadian Press
Published: Tuesday, December 06, 2005

The U.S.-based National Rifle Association has entered the Canadian political fray as gun violence spirals out of control in B.C. and Ontario.

"This is absolutely appalling. I say, 'Go Home' to the NRA," said Svend Robinson, federal NDP candidate for Vancouver Centre. "The NRA has no place in Canadian politics. Especially when we have all these local concerns with gun violence."

Last weekend, Glen Caroline from the NRA's "grassroots division" went to Ontario to advise the Canadian Shooting Sports Association how to lobby Canadian politicians in the lead-up to the Jan. 23 election.

The Canadian Shooting Sports Association is working with the Edmonton-based National Firearms Association, an umbrella organization for 80 gun clubs in B.C.

The National Firearms Association's website states: "Our goals are simple, more new shooters, more shooters shooting more."

A Canadian Shooting Sports Association spokesman told the national media that his group was working with the federal Conservative Party.

But James Moore, Conservative MP for Port Moody-Westwood-Port Coquitlam, said last night that Tory Leader Stephen Harper has not met with the association.

"I believe in gun control that works, and getting tougher on violent criminals," Moore said. "Anybody who commits a violent crime should receive a mandatory prison sentence. We disagree with the NRA position that anybody should be able to have a gun."

Hedy Fry, Liberal MP for Vancouver Centre, said Canada's gun laws are supported by most people in her riding.

"I don't know why the NRA has any role to play in a Canadian election," Fry said. "I'm very upset. They are interfering with our democratic process. The right to bear arms is not something we have in the Canadian constitution."

Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan also condemned what she called the intervention of the NRA.

"The NRA and their U.S.-style, big-money gun-lobby efforts are not welcome here," she said.

McLellan said NRA "efforts to foist a U.S.-style gun agenda on Canadians are inappropriate, especially given that this is the week when we remember the murder of 14 young women at the Ecole Polytechnique [in Montreal] 16 years ago."

"What I reject are the values of groups like the NRA -- groups that would attempt to undo the laws we have . . . to protect Canadians when it comes to firearms."

Over the weekend, as Caroline addressed the gun group, four men were shot in three separate incidents in the Lower Mainland.

Susan Jessop, mother of Lee Matasi, who was fatally shot on a downtown Vancouver street early Saturday morning, said she hopes guns become an election issue.

"I don't pretend to have the answers," she said. "I sure hope folks get together to talk about what needs to be done to curb this increasing insanity that we're seeing in our country.

"What are the underlying social issues that make somebody want to carry a gun around?"

 

[Numure]

Re: RE: tactics of the NRA

You're a separatist, what the hell do you care if Colpy lives in Canada or the US?

I'm completely surprised by the two of you. I support gun possession, are you going to say I don't deserve to live In Canada too?

There is a difference between your position and his. By his own posts, he supports violence in its own form. You support gun possession for either.

Until Québec is seperated, I still have to suffer the laws of Ottawa like everyone else in this country.

 

[meitme]

Well the man was sick, he had alzheimer's disease. It was sad the way he was munipulated and exploited.

that was in the last scene where they had the interview with him. but when he went to denver he was perfectly ok. the last scene i never watched last time i saw bowling for columbine.

 

[Reverend Blair]

And when he up here telling Canadians about their rights under the US Constitution, was he being exploited by Moore or the NRA, or was he trying to bring his twisted and violent vision to Canada?