Syria's protests have escalated.

[Colpy]

Fifty thousand Lybians were murdered by western Israeli interests, the death toll in Syria could be very much higher in the pending armed transition..................

Yep, it was the JOOS!!!!

That's exactly what they want in Israel.....destabilization and Islamist gov'ts in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

I mean, they so enjoyed being mass murdered the last time!!!

(sarcasm alert)

The Syrian people may be able to violently topple their government, but a general strike would accomplish the same thing with far fewer deaths.

They kinda tried that tactic, you know, the whole Gandhi thing.......and got shot dead in the thousands for their troubles

 

[MHz]

.....and got shot dead in the thousands for their troubles

Yet you almost gloat when Israel pulls something equal to 'cast lead'.

Perhaps Syria needs to ask Iran for some troops and put up a national curfew. Better that than have Turkey come in uninvited although if there was one NATO member that might not fire on Syrian civilians.

Syria might have some right to claim some of that gas in the Med Sea or at least run some lines across her land to supply the EU. I'm almost willing to say NATO would let Syria and Iran expend themselves for years if it meant they would be 'unarmed' at some point.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yep, it was the JOOS!!!!

That's exactly what they want in Israel.....destabilization and Islamist gov'ts in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

I mean, they so enjoyed being mass murdered the last time!!!

(sarcasm alert)




They kinda tried that tactic, you know, the whole Gandhi thing.......and got shot dead in the thousands for their troubles

Hey Colpy have they promised you a tropical island somewhere for carrying their **** in your bucket? Destabalization has been the hallmark of zionism since day one. Israelis were never mass murdered by Arabs. You support genocidal maniacs who are about to be punished in the market and then punished in their filthy apartheid state. Why don't you visit the country again so they can refresh the brain scrub you had.

 

[earth_as_one]

I am certain that Israel is indirectly involved in this uprising. They probably use spies in Syria and elsewhere to gather intel and use cyberspace and the MSM to manipulate perceptions.. I have no problem with that activity as long as their efforts don't include acts of terrorism and other forms of violence/murder.

The main battle involves the US, UK, France and their allies supporting the insurgents against the Syrian government. Russia is supporting the Syrian government. The US and their allies including Syrian insurgents are fighting a cyber war across the internet with the Syian government. Russia continues to sell arms to the Syrian government and defend Syria at the UNSC. Iran supports Syria's government, and attempts to spin the Arab Spring revolutions in their favor, just like everyone else.

THE DAILY STAR :: News :: Middle East :: Syrians risking it all to report the uprising

Syria Cyber War Opens New Front In Russia | News | The Moscow Times

Iran throws a party - but don't mention the Syrian elephant

BTW, I support non-violent methods in support of the insurgent efforts to overthrow the Syrian dictatorship. That includes providing insurgents with satellite communication equipment, setting up internet proxies, deliberately manipulating perceptions inside and outside Syria, cyber attacks against Syrian government websites and IT infrastructure....

 

[darkbeaver]

BTW, I support non-violent methods in support of the insurgent efforts to overthrow the Syrian dictatorship. That includes providing insurgents with satellite communication equipment, setting up internet proxies, deliberately manipulating perceptions inside and outside Syria, cyber attacks against Syrian government websites and IT infrastructure....

You are one confused person EAO. You say you're a pacifist but you will support armed forigne occupying insurgencies (NTC) presently committing crimes including murder inside Syria. Everything on that list of actions you support gets people killed.

 

[earth_as_one]

I don't support arming the insurgents, sending armed forces into Syria, or buying mercenaries on behalf of the insurgents. But everything I supported above while hostile to the Syrian regime is not violent.

DB, I am on the side of the Syrian people and support their right to choose their leader democratically. Which side are you on?

 

[darkbeaver]

I don't support arming the insurgents, sending armed forces into Syria, or buying mercenaries on behalf of the insurgents. But everything I supported above while hostile to the Syrian regime is not violent.

DB, I am on the side of the Syrian people and support their right to choose their leader democratically. Which side are you on?

The Syrian people are on the side of Assad. The people of Lybia supported Gadafi. The people of Iraq supported Saddam.Do you really believe the swill coming out of the CBC indeed all mainstream media? If you support the occupiers in any way you are an enemy of the Syrian people and you aid in an unlawful war. You got to get over your puppy love for the non existent democratic western traditions. It has been all talk for longer than I have been alive.

 

[EagleSmack]

I am certain that Israel is indirectly involved in this uprising. They probably use spies in Syria and elsewhere to gather intel and use cyberspace and the MSM to manipulate perceptions..

DEM JOOOOOOOOOOS!

Dem JOOOOOOOOOS!

 

[earth_as_one]

The Syrian people are on the side of Assad. The people of Lybia supported Gadafi. The people of Iraq supported Saddam.Do you really believe the swill coming out of the CBC indeed all mainstream media? If you support the occupiers in any way you are an enemy of the Syrian people and you aid in an unlawful war. You got to get over your puppy love for the non existent democratic western traditions. It has been all talk for longer than I have been alive.

I'm hostile to dictators DB. Is that clear enough? I'm not anti-American or anti-Israeli or anti-Anyone except people who malevolently screw over other people. I am against shelling residential areas with tanks and artillery and shooting unarmed protestors. That would make me anti-Gaddafi and anti-Saddam Hussein.

I don't believe that the majority of people in any dictatorship support not having a choice who is their leader. The current Syrian government is oppressive and unjust. I am against oppression and injustice. How about you? Do you oppose injustice and oppression in all cases or does you also believe in Orwell's theory of moral relativity?

Syria:
The authorities remained intolerant of dissent. Those who criticized the government, including human rights defenders, faced arrest and imprisonment after unfair trials, and bans from travelling abroad. Some were prisoners of conscience. Human rights NGOs and opposition political parties were denied legal authorization. State forces and the police continued to commit torture and other ill-treatment with impunity, and there were at least eight suspicious deaths in custody. The government failed to clarify the fate of 49 prisoners missing since a violent incident in 2008 at Saydnaya Military Prison, and took no steps to account for thousands of victims of enforced disappearances in earlier years. Women were subject to discrimination and gender-based violence; at least 22 people, mostly women, were victims of so-called honour killings. Members of the Kurdish minority continued to be denied equal access to economic, social and cultural rights. At least 17 people were executed, including a woman alleged to be a victim of physical and sexual abuse.
Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

 

[MHz]

..... They probably use spies in Syria and elsewhere to gather intel and use cyberspace and the MSM to manipulate perceptions.. I have no problem with that activity as long as their efforts don't include acts of terrorism and other forms of violence/murder.

BTW, I support non-violent methods in support of the insurgent efforts to overthrow the Syrian dictatorship. That includes providing insurgents with satellite communication equipment, setting up internet proxies, deliberately manipulating perceptions inside and outside Syria, cyber attacks against Syrian government websites and IT infrastructure....

You are aware that spies can be shot and any citizen who helps them can also be shot. Tell me you are aware of this charge of treason.

Where is your suipport for the citizen uprising in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia? (to the point somebody has the obligation to send in spies to 'help'. Do spies have to tell the truth when they are 'in the field'?

 

[EagleSmack]

. Do spies have to tell the truth when they are 'in the field'?

Yes they have to. It's in the Spy Rulebook.

 

[MHz]

Yes they have to. It's in the Spy Rulebook.

If they have to then all their promises to any Syrian is bogus and any reports coming from Syria through them would contain false information, that about cover it? For once we agree.

I wonder if the one member (EAO) promoting spies as a 'honorable was to fight a war' would agree that spies from any foreign nation operating in the US and Canada are only here for our own good, to test our democratic resolve, so to speak. We don't even let Iran and Syria run their own states (according to UN rules). We certainly allow Israel to shoot Syrian citizens (unarmed) from 1/4 mile away through scopes but then get all full of piss and vinegar when Syria starts shooting 'civilians' when they have spies shooting and killing Government forces. 'Civilians' that could clearly be spies or at least funded by outside Governments. (Please don't parrot that NGO's are free from Government guidance) Egypt and Russia have crushed enough balls (interviews) of the 'members' to know their agenda is purely one sided and if they tried to operate in the US or Israel or Canada they would be stopped just like they were in those two countries, too bad the full details of what they were involved in haven't been published. Thue one from Russia and their attempts at influencing election is the best documented. Imagine the head of an NGO that is said to be concerned with 'fair elections' having to jet to London and back to Russia during those very elections he claims to be so concerned about. When he was arrested on arrival in Russia do you think the told the truth (like an honest person doing an honest job) or did he attempt to lie like a common spy? Since the 'interview' might still be going on I would say it was the latter.

 

[Colpy]

Yet you almost gloat when Israel pulls something equal to 'cast lead'.

Perhaps Syria needs to ask Iran for some troops and put up a national curfew. Better that than have Turkey come in uninvited although if there was one NATO member that might not fire on Syrian civilians.

Syria might have some right to claim some of that gas in the Med Sea or at least run some lines across her land to supply the EU. I'm almost willing to say NATO would let Syria and Iran expend themselves for years if it meant they would be 'unarmed' at some point.

That is hilarious!

First of all Operation Cast Lead was in response to hundreds of missiles fired into Israel.

Secondly, Operation Cast Lead killed something just over 1200.

Thirdly, at least half of the people killed were armed militants....................

So Israel retaliates on a foreign entity in response to hundreds of missle attacks, and in doing so kills armed militants and a few hundred unfortunate civilians....

And you compare that to the Syrian mass killing of their own people before they were armed, during peaceful protests.

Uh huh.

 

[darkbeaver]

earth_as_one;1542430

I'm hostile to dictators DB. Is that clear enough?

Dictatorships are a good thing half of the time and democracy isn't democratic half of the time. Your hostility seems to be directed by the main stream media. I wonder if you realize that the "democracies" presently leading the righteous march toward "freedom" for the Syrians are law breaking slaves themselves, I wonder if you realize that western democracy is for all intents and purposes extinct.

I'm not anti-American or anti-Israeli or anti-Anyone except people who malevolently screw over other people. I am against shelling residential areas with tanks and artillery and shooting unarmed protestors. That would make me anti-Gaddafi and anti-Saddam Hussein.

There you go confusing western propaganda for truth. Gaddafi never attacked his own people but he did try to expel the zionist hireling mercs that eventually helped destroy decades of positive human relations in Lybia. Both Lybia and Iraq had higher standards of living than any western nation.

I

don't believe that the majority of people in any dictatorship support not having a choice who is their leader. The current Syrian government is oppressive and unjust. I am against oppression and injustice. How about you? Do you oppose injustice and oppression in all cases or does you also believe in Orwell's theory of moral relativity?

The only mind that dsn't have to use moral relativity would be a god. I only believe in what I know exists and I am willing to oppose injustice and oppression with injustice and oppression.

Syria:
The authorities remained intolerant of dissent. Those who criticized the government, including human rights defenders, faced arrest and imprisonment after unfair trials, and bans from travelling abroad. Some were prisoners of conscience. Human rights NGOs and opposition political parties were denied legal authorization. State forces and the police continued to commit torture and other ill-treatment with impunity, and there were at least eight suspicious deaths in custody. The government failed to clarify the fate of 49 prisoners missing since a violent incident in 2008 at Saydnaya Military Prison, and took no steps to account for thousands of victims of enforced disappearances in earlier years. Women were subject to discrimination and gender-based violence; at least 22 people, mostly women, were victims of so-called honour killings. Members of the Kurdish minority continued to be denied equal access to economic, social and cultural rights. At least 17 people were executed, including a woman alleged to be a victim of physical and sexual abuse.

I heard the exact same drivel on this mornings CBC news report from Jewruselem, it's crap. even the punctuation is tainted.


Amnesty International Closes Online Poll, Hides Human Rights Hero Winner

Online voting for Human Rights Hero 2011 closed one month early, and result censored, after Libyan Leader Muammar Gaddafi took clear lead


DB Amnesia International it's called by most people who follow it's work for the bankers. You're only hostile to the presstitute designated dictator of the day. You don't seem to understand who rules. And if you do understand?DB

 

[MHz]

And you compare that to the Syrian mass killing of their own people before they were armed, during peaceful protests.

Uh huh.

Colpy I already posted a vid where the maker (BBC I believe) says Syrian troops were being killed and at that early date it was more than 100. That was all the vid dared cover of that aspect because that gives the Government the right to shoot back.

As far as cast lead goes, the operation was years in the planning and if their excuse goes back years (10,000 missile strikes) from the 6 month cease-fire (where only Hamas lived up to it's agreements) then what is the use as Palestine has the right to go back to the forced deportations of 1947-48 in their quest for justice.

 

[darkbeaver]

That is hilarious!

First of all Operation Cast Lead was in response to hundreds of missiles fired into Israel.

Secondly, Operation Cast Lead killed something just over 1200.

Thirdly, at least half of the people killed were armed militants....................

So Israel retaliates on a foreign entity in response to hundreds of missle attacks, and in doing so kills armed militants and a few hundred unfortunate civilians....

And you compare that to the Syrian mass killing of their own people before they were armed, during peaceful protests.

Uh huh.

Do you support other diseases like cancer and tuberculosis or do you just support Zionists Israeli genocidal maniacs?

Every body knows Israel has been hit with millions of enormous deadly missiles fired by bad Arabs in Gaza that's why Israels snipers shoot babies in Palestine, it's why they bulldoze Palestinian homes it's what makes Israelis suck so hard. What a disgraceful vile despicable abomination the Israeli criminal dog pound is.

 

[earth_as_one]

DB,

Why would you think that because I'm against Syria's absolute dictator, that I'd be supportive of Saudi or Bahraini monarchies? Wouldn't it make more sense to expect that since I consistently favor the right of people to choose their own leader by free and fair elections, that I'd oppose these absolute governments?

BTW, I am aware of Bahrain's brutal crackdown on government protestors. I also support Bahraini anti-government protestors. However I don't support the violent overthrow of any government. I think a general strike and non-cooperation is the most effective way to achieve change without violence. Support for non-violence resistance to oppression and injustice doesn't have to be overt all the time, especially when overt help would increase the risk of government retribution. I support arming Bahrainis with smart satellite phones too, just like Syrians and Palestinians. With today's technology, oppressive governments in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Israel... should not be able to hide the truth of their cruelty from the world. In the case of Syria and Libya, the MSM is more than willing to show the images. In countries which are friendly to the West, less so.

I am aware that accused spies can be executed, even if they act non-violently. Resistance in any form against these governments can have lethal consequences. Which means that people who use non-violent methods (like documenting the violence) to overthrow their oppressive governments are taking a hell of a risk. I'm not sure I would be that brave.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm hostile to dictators DB. Is that clear enough?

Yep. Pacifists aren't hostile.

 

[earth_as_one]

Who claimed pacifists can't be hostile?

Pacifists are hostile toward war and violence and as a result, those who start wars or commit acts of violence. We just don't believe in using violence or war to achieve our objectives. We support non-violent methods, which include strikes and non-cooperation.

Conflict implies an adversarial relationship. Hostile implies an unfriendly or antagonistic relationship.

 

[CDNBear]

Who claimed pacifists can't be hostile? That's another ridiculous assumption.

Pacifism is an approach to conflict resolution. Conflict implies an adversarial relationship.

Ghandi wasn't hostile. You've liked your approach to Ghandi.

Pacifism is the unconditional rejection of all forms of warfare. Hostility, compounded by both your previously condoning of electronic warfare in Syria, and your defense of terrorist regimes. Simply fly in the face of everything Ghandi, and all real pacifists stand for.

One of us is out to lunch. I bet you think it's me.