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tay

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What a mess! In the crazy Syrian war, US-backed and armed groups are fighting other US-backed rebel groups. How can this be?

It is so because the Obama White House had stirred up war in Syria but then lost control of the process. When the US has a strong president, he can usually keep the military and intelligence agencies on a tight leash.

But the Obama administration has had a weak secretary of defense and a bunch of lady strategists who are the worst military commanders since Louis XV, who put his mistress, Madame de Pompadour, in charge of French military forces during the Seven Year’s War. The French were routed by the Prussians. France’s foe, Frederick the Great of Prussia, named one of his dogs, ‘la Pompadour.’

As a result, the two arms of offensive US strategic power, the Pentagon and CIA, went separate ways in Syria. Growing competition between the US military and militarized CIA broke into the open in Syria.

Fed up with the astounding incompetence of the White House, the US military launched and supported its own rebel groups in Syria, while CIA did the same.

Fighting soon after erupted in Syria and Iraq between the US-backed groups. US Special Forces joined the fighting in Syria, Iraq and most lately, Libya.

The well-publicized atrocities, like mass murders and decapitations, greatly embarrassed Washington, making it harder to portray their jihadi wildmen as liberators. The only thing exceptional about US policy in Syria was its astounding incompetence.

Few can keep track of the 1,000 groups of jihadis that keep changing their names and shifting alliances. Throw in Turkomans, Yzidis, Armenians, Nestorians, Druze, Circassians, Alawis, Assyrians and Palestinians. Oh yes, and the Alevis.

Meanwhile, ISIS was inflicting mayhem on Syria and Iraq. But who really is ISIS? A few thousand twenty-something hooligans with little knowledge of Islam but a burning desire to dynamite the existing order and a sharp media sense. The leadership of these turbaned anarchists appears to have formed in US prison camps in Afghanistan.

The US, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey armed and financed ISIS as a weapon to unleash on Syria, which was an ally of Iran that refused to take orders from the Western powers. The west bears heavy responsibility for the deaths of 450,000 Syrians, at least half the nation of 23 million becoming refugees, and destruction of this once lovely country.

At some point, ISIS shook off its western tutors and literally ran amok. But the US has not yet made a concerted attempt to crush ISIS because of its continuing usefulness in Syria and in the US, where ISIS has become the favorite whipping boy of politicians.

Next come the Kurds, an ancient Indo-European stateless people spread across Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria. They have been denied a national state by the western powers since WWI. Kurdish rebels in Iraq have been armed and financed by Israel since the 1970’s.

When America’s Arab jihadists proved militarily feeble, the US turned to the Kurds, who are renowned fighters, arming and financing the Kurdish Syrian YPG which is part of the well-known PKK rebel group that fights Turkey.

I covered the Turkish-Kurdish conflict in eastern Anatolia in the 1980’s in which some 40,000 died.

Turkey is now again battling a rising wave of Kurdish attacks that caused the Turks to probe into northern Syria to prevent a link-up of advancing Kurdish rebel forces.

So, Turkey, a key American ally, is now battling CIA-backed Kurdish groups in Syria. Eighty percent of Turks believe the recent failed coup in Turkey was mounted by the US – not the White House, but by the Pentagon which has always been joined at the hip to Turkey’s military.

This major Turkish-Kurdish crisis was perfectly predictable, but the obtuse junior warriors of the Obama administration failed to grasp this point.

Now the Russians have entered the fray in an effort to prevent their ally, Bashar Assad, from being overthrow by western powers.

Also perfectly predictable. Russia claimed to be bombing ISIS but in fact is targeting US-backed groups. Washington is outraged that the wicked Russians are doing in the Mideast what the US has done for decades.

The US and Russia now both claim to have killed a senior ISIS commander in an air strike. Their warplanes are dodging one another, creating a perfect scenario for a head-on clash at a time when neocons in the US are agitating for war with Russia.

Does anyone think poor, demolished Syria is worth the price? Hatred for the US is now seething in Turkey and across the Mideast.

Hundreds of millions of US tax dollars have been wasted in this cruel, pointless war.

Time for the US to stop stirring this witch’s brew.

PENTAGON AND CIA AT WAR IN SYRIA « Eric Margolis
 

10larry

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Good article and surprisingly eric didn't embellish this american snafu, he really had a hate on for anything american as his former sun and huff articles indicated, one needed plenty of salt when reading his articles and I eventually gave up on his columns.... maybe time has calmed him down
 

darkbeaver

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I'm already aware of your medication and mental issues. There was no need for further evidence.[/QUI

I know it'[s late but I feel that I must intervene, you are stupid. I know I've suggested this before but now I really must intervien, you are clinically stupid, all the signs are there. A few months at my retreat and you'll be ceerrttified normal, whatever that means, remember certified, an actual piece of paper, you can rely on the paper.
Odd that you would mention mental issues.

You are qualified though.
 

MHz

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Here is a pretty decent breakdown of Israeli/US, and EU involvement in Syria to go along with the 30 Mossad members and NATO members that were popped by a Russian cruise missile a few weeks ago. (about 3:00 in this vid)

Remember When the Media Sold Us the Iraq WMD Lies? It's Happening Again

While this is applicable to the invasion what is left out is the opposition to the invasion evaporated when it was (falsely) promoted that gas prices in the US would be below $2/gallon. The American public isn't quite as innocent as they are made out to be,
 

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President Bashar al-Assad laughed and said he sleeps fine when he was asked during an interview about all the children killed every day in Syria.

Mr Assad also said the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians is “the fault of terrorists” and said “we are talking about war, not charity”.

During an interview with The Sunday Times, Mr Assad was asked if he sleeps at night with all the children being killed in Aleppo and other parts of Syria.

He reportedly laughed and replied: “I know the meaning of that question. I sleep regular, I sleep and work and eat normal and do sports.”

He also shrugged when asked how he felt about all the killing. “It’s the fault of terrorists and we are talking about war, not charity” he said.

“In war you always have innocents hurt or killed. What do you do? You do your best. Terrorists are still in Aleppo and use civilians as human shields.”

He added: “We can’t just stand still and say, ‘Don’t destroy the city’. More important than the city are the people, so we have to do the best for them.”

During the interview, Mr Assad also repeated his claim the Nobel Peace Prize-nominated White Helmets manipulate and forge photos of dead children.

He previously said the photo of an injured five-year-old boy taken in the aftermath of an air strike was faked. The picture of Omran Daqneesh became a haunting reminder of civilian suffering in Aleppo.

President Assad laughs and says he sleeps fine when asked about all the children killed in Syria | The Independent
 

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I would give more credit to the Middle East and MENA on their own demise and desire to reestablish caliphate than blaming Hillary or anybody else. Hillary Clinton has/had no barring on these countries violent existence, or their one sided politics, or their religion being govern by tribal and ethnic differences which goes way way back. Their whole corrupt justice system alone has always been a justifiable cause for public outrage, plus their economic corruption, wow!! The lack or better yet, absence of freedom; the whole absence of quality in most government is mind boggling. Elections are a scam, opportunities has been eroded for several generation, therefore no hope, no dignity for people. They've been blanketed by religious extremist that limit everything decent and worth wanting to exist in those countries (clearly they prefer throwing themselves at the mercy of the sea than living there). The instability was created far far before Hillary's. Blaming the US or anybody else while people have been watching these part of the world in crisis mode for centuries is ludicrous. Jerusalem was in one of it's many warfare as far back as 1917. North Africa and the Middle East want democracy, but not 'our' democracy, which includes rights for women, religion and many freedom, so what is their version? let's watch Iraq and see where they end up, they will be the example, regardless of how bad it is there presently. The Sunnis & Shiites were fighting way before Hillary. Many lies are believed by the first/second born generation of Arabs living here in N.A. and the EU, who are being told by their parents that the wicked US et al. are in their homeland to destroy them for the oil, boo hoo !!! seriously!! why did they leave then?? Yes, oil is being 'negotiated and bought' in the Middle East, but it is not stolen, nor is it taken by force. They are being paid very well, and they are great negotiators, so no one makes fools of them or steals from them.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Really?

So why is there a war in Syria?
OK, I'm sure that question made sense to you.

Why is there a war in Syria? Because Assad is a dictator, and a lot of different people want him out.

But if you think that upon his ouster (if it happens) a Syrian Thomas Jefferson will step forward and lead Syria into being a western-style representative republic, I want some of whatever you're smoking.
 

10larry

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Blaming the US or anybody else while people have been watching these part of the world in crisis mode for centuries is ludicrous.
U.s. targets of iraq and libya were far more stable than currently, libya specially was far too willing to share the wealth grossly counter to american wealth 'management'. Baffles me that the u.s. being the worlds human rights enforcer slaughtered a dictator that provided his subjects far more than washington ever did theirs and then apply the same rational to not only embrace but support the worlds worst human right abuser. What could this conduct explain other than wicked self serving manipulation?...human rights not.
 

EagleSmack

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Blaming the US or anybody else while people have been watching these part of the world in crisis mode for centuries is ludicrous.
U.s. targets of iraq and libya were far more stable than currently, libya specially was far too willing to share the wealth grossly counter to american wealth 'management'. Baffles me that the u.s. being the worlds human rights enforcer slaughtered a dictator that provided his subjects far more than washington ever did theirs and then apply the same rational to not only embrace but support the worlds worst human right abuser. What could this conduct explain other than wicked self serving manipulation?...human rights not.

Canadian General Bouchard... Commander of the Quadaffi Overthrow in Libya



OWN IT!
 

MHz

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We are a small but determine group of misfits. Hardly worth the bother.
In other news the first escapees from Mosul seem to have made it to Syria and the ones left behind would rather be showered with leaflets like the ISIS oil truck drivers.


Iraq's state-sponsored People's Mobilization Forces (PMF), also known as al-Hashd al-Sha'abi, do not need the United States to conduct airstrikes on Daesh targets during the operation aimed at freeing Mosul, Ahmet Arslan, a Turkmen commander with the PMF, told Sputnik.

"We do not want the United States meddling in Iraq. We told Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi as much. Al-Hashd al-Sha'abi does not need America's aerial support in the operation to free Mosul from Daesh, which the US created," he said.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201611071047150809-iraqi-commander-mosul-operation/


DAMASCUS (Sputnik) — According to the Lebanese al-Manar TV channel, Daesh terrorists used heavy machine guns and artillery during the offensive. As a result of the clashes, Daesh militants were defeated and driven from the airfield.

Deir ez-Zor is the seventh largest city in Syria located to the northeast from the country's capital of Damascus, which had repeatedly became a place to armed clashes between Syrian forces and terrorist militias. US warplanes hit Syrian government troops near the eastern city of Deir ez-Zor on September 17, leaving over 80 people killed. The Pentagon said initially that the airstrike was a mistake and targeted Daesh militants, while a number of Syrian officials stated that the attack was intentional. Following the strike, Daesh terrorists launched a massive offensive in the area, however, the Syrian army managed to repell the attack. Deir ez-Zor, which is still held by Syrian government forces, has been under siege of Daesh since July 2014.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201611071047153187-syria-deir-ez-zor/
 

petros

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Really?

So why is there a war in Syria?

Pipelines. Israel is quiet because Gazprom is their main carrier until ExxonMobil can build their Egypt, Palestine, Lebanon Israel line to carry the rest.


It's a "Green War".

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