Suncor shifts focus from oilsands to solar energy

Bar Sinister

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Really? You are splitting hairs and apparently have no idea how widespread the use of coal and wood were a century ago. Almost every home was heated by one or the other and it was also used in industry. Tell me, how many modern nations still use wood in an industrial capacity? And how many modern nations use coal as the main source of home heating and cooking?



Well Canada for one. Lots of wood used for industrial heating in Europe and Asia as well. But reality always destroys your dismal arguments.

Could you actually provide some evidence instead of nonsensical BS?

You might want to look at this. Somehow wood seems to be missing from the graph except as the burning of a waste product.

 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Could you actually provide some evidence instead of nonsensical BS?

You might want to look at this. Somehow wood seems to be missing from the graph except as the burning of a waste product.

Actually, all of the maritime provinces are using wood burning stoves in their homes to supplement heating because natural gas is unavailable, electric and oil heat are way too expensive. Those who don't have access to wood burn coal.

The Northwest Territories is powered by diesel and Inuvik is powered by LNG.

In fact, most northern communities across this nation use wood, coal and fossil fuel for power and heating.

I don't see this in your graph.

I know this because I am in the business of bringing that fuel north to many of these communities.
 

mentalfloss

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Why is Suncor looking more into renewables?

Suncor CEO Steve Williams best answered that question: “Climate change is happening … doing nothing is not an option we can choose.”

These are encouraging words from the company, and given Suncor’s strong balance sheet, it may be able to invest in some renewable energy projects to kick start the large switch to renewable energy; it’s a change that many believe is a necessary for the entire energy industry, and it needs to occur over the next few decades. In short, Suncor has the opportunity to diversify greater into renewables and is exercising that option.

Suncor Energy Inc. (USA) Is Looking to Become a Larger Renewable Energy Provider | The Motley Fool Canada
 

MHz

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More like spend a lot getting nothing really accomplished but at least it looks good in the press. Solar is best created close to where it will be used rather that central arrays that could cause the whole system to not function because of 1 localized ice storm.Reflections can be eliminated by letting the sun pass through some thin slats and the reflected light hits the slats at and angle so a person walking by sees no glare from the array (or pilot)

You should have all those cars be wired to a trolley like set of cables and the vehicle feeds power to the grid, as long as people are using vehicles buildings will have the needed power. Pay your parking by winding up a genset for a certain amount of time with your car is another option as is the car being the power-plant and you plug it into your office and your home and that is where you get your power from
 

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You should have all those cars be wired to a trolley like set of cables and the vehicle feeds power to the grid, as long as people are using vehicles buildings will have the needed power. Pay your parking by winding up a genset for a certain amount of time with your car is another option as is the car being the power-plant and you plug it into your office and your home and that is where you get your power from

huh?
 

MHz

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Use your car to power your house and workplace. (for those that have jobs) Glad I was able to clear that up for you.
 

Bar Sinister

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Actually, all of the maritime provinces are using wood burning stoves in their homes to supplement heating because natural gas is unavailable, electric and oil heat are way too expensive. Those who don't have access to wood burn coal.

The Northwest Territories is powered by diesel and Inuvik is powered by LNG.

In fact, most northern communities across this nation use wood, coal and fossil fuel for power and heating.

I don't see this in your graph.

I know this because I am in the business of bringing that fuel north to many of these communities.

All of them? That would mean every inhabitant of the Atlantic provinces. I wonder what they are doing with all the natural gas that is being shipped there from Alberta. And as usual you are ignoring my point. I don't care how many people have a nice log fire in their homes; my point is that the industrial use of wood is almost nonexistent today, but three centuries ago that is all there was. And your information about the NWT simply proves my point.
 

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All of them? That would mean every inhabitant of the Atlantic provinces. I wonder what they are doing with all the natural gas that is being shipped there from Alberta. And as usual you are ignoring my point. I don't care how many people have a nice log fire in their homes; my point is that the industrial use of wood is almost nonexistent today, but three centuries ago that is all there was. And your information about the NWT simply proves my point.

Wood is used extensively world wide for power. We export it from BC as well as use it here. Mostly compressed into bricks or sometimes logs similar to presto-logs but without the resin.
 

darkbeaver

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And yet your snowfields and glaciers are still shrinking. Try another anecdote.

Glaciers shrink and expand over time. They are dynamic not statiC. They come and thy go. So? Solar output is slumping, solar powerbiz too, let's burn the trees. Pound for pound our best BTU deal still after many centuries. Burn. Trees are renewable.
Green energy, they can even be convinced to grow in rows.
 

Bar Sinister

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Glaciers shrink and expand over time. They are dynamic not statiC. They come and thy go. So? Solar output is slumping, solar powerbiz too, let's burn the trees. Pound for pound our best BTU deal still after many centuries. Burn. Trees are renewable.
Green energy, they can even be convinced to grow in rows.

Yes the certainly do. But only when the temperature gets warmer or colder. Strangely enough burning wood is actually carbon neutral. Unfortunately, there is simply not enough wood to sustain that sort of consumption worldwide.

Wood is used extensively world wide for power. We export it from BC as well as use it here. Mostly compressed into bricks or sometimes logs similar to presto-logs but without the resin.


I'm still waiting for you to give me some real evidence regarding the use of wood as an industrial fuel. The fact that you haven't tells me you probably can't.
 

petros

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I'm still waiting for you to give me some real evidence regarding the use of wood as an industrial fuel. The fact that you haven't tells me you probably can't.
Quit getting high on smurfberries and trying looking things ul before before blowing a smurf gasket.

Hint: search keyword "biomass, wood, smurfs, industry" and
Low and smurfing behold...

Nacogdoches Wood-Fired Power Project, United States of America

Texas power market

The Nacogdoches power plant is a wood-fired power-generation facility located in Sacul, Texas, about 230 miles from Austin. Southern Power, a subsidiary of Southern Company, bought it from American Renewables on 9 October 2009.

The plant has an installed capacity of 100MW, sufficient to power 70,000 homes, and can offset up to 300,000t of carbon each year. The project's ground-breaking ceremony took place in November 2009. The commercial operations of the biomass plant began in June 2012. It is the largest biomass-fuelled electricity-generating facility in the US and won the Best Bioenergy Project title for 2012, at the Power-Gen international conference.

For smurf sakes...
 

taxslave

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Yes the certainly do. But only when the temperature gets warmer or colder. Strangely enough burning wood is actually carbon neutral. Unfortunately, there is simply not enough wood to sustain that sort of consumption worldwide.




I'm still waiting for you to give me some real evidence regarding the use of wood as an industrial fuel. The fact that you haven't tells me you probably can't.

I just did twice. Your comprehension skills non existent?

Last Canadian Oil Sands holdouts forced to tender to $4.9B Suncor offer | Calgary Herald



You do realize companies are losing money in oil right?

There is no need to wash anything.

Must be why they are still having job fairs.
 

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You do realize companies are losing money in oil right?

I realize the price of oil is low today.

There is no need to wash anything.

You do realize that green washing has nothing to do with the price of oil right? Green washing is how big industry is convincing you suckers that they are actually contributing to "fighting climate change" without doing anything. Simply put, companies are doing and saying things that make people like you feel better and getting carbon offsets so they don't have to pay. You're being astroturffed.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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All of them? That would mean every inhabitant of the Atlantic provinces. I wonder what they are doing with all the natural gas that is being shipped there from Alberta. And as usual you are ignoring my point. I don't care how many people have a nice log fire in their homes; my point is that the industrial use of wood is almost nonexistent today, but three centuries ago that is all there was. And your information about the NWT simply proves my point.

I haven't ignored anything, I have challenged your points and your graphs which are simply propaganda. Heck, I was beginning to think you had me on ignore, but I guess it's easier to ignore the challenges to your very flawed logic than to debate it. I have a great many friends in the maritime provinces, work with them here in Alberta and heck I even lived there for about five years, but what the hell do I know?

The bulk of homes in the maritimes are still heated by stove oil and supplemented by burning wood.

Speaking of burning wood . Have you ever heard of a wood pellet stove?

They are hugely popular in British Columbia, my brother-inlaw has one, as do most of his neighbors in the Kamloops area. Basically, they use it for home heating and there are number of Industrial Wood Pellet producers in the area from Prince George to Vanderhoof to Kamloops to Williams Lake. So the industrial use of wood is not non-existent, it flourishes in Beautiful Environmental British Columbia.

Environmental left wing zealots like yourself crack me up. Ignore truths, because they get in the way of your agenda. Sort of like the Anti-pipeline idiots who will buy oil from Venezuela and Saudi Arabia shipping it through the canals and waterways into the Great Lakes rather than admit that shipping it from Alberta via pipeline would be far safer and better for Canada.

Was it a "normal" ice road year? If that system becomes unusable a whole lot of Northern Canada will have to be abandoned.

No, it was an el nino year, but things still froze up enough to get the supplies.

The ice isn't going anywhere. Al Gore is full of Sh!t.