Study accidentally exposes Chemotherapy as Fraud

Cliffy

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Because that whole topic of cancer cells having lower pH than surrounding cells is bull $hit. As for those natural news quacks who push this as an alternative therapy, there have been plenty of cases of adverse reactions from people taking large amounts of alkali materials orally. It only gets more dubious from there if you want to examine the pharmacokinetics and efficacy of any treatment based on altering the pH in a cancer cell that supposedly is already modulating the pH...
That is not what the theory is. Cancer can only thrive in a highly acidic environment. Taking too much of anything is usually detrimental. Lowering the acidic content of the body requires careful application of balancing elements. There is no one cure for any disease that will be beneficial to all patients. Besides, taking care of the physical symptoms is only part of the whole treatment. We are not just physical bodies.

As far as I know there is no one in the world who has all the answers regarding cancer, but for my money if, God forbid, I happen to get it, I think I'd take my chances with an oncologist
Not me. I think chemo and radiation are barbaric and unnecessary. I would not expose myself to such torture. Besides, I'm not emotionally attached to whether I live or die. I live each day as if it is my last already. With the number of close calls I have already had in this body, I don't fear death in the least.
 

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Aspirin is recognized by the FDA.

YOU ARE PROBABLY CORRECT

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Aspirin: Not Approvable
Why many familiar medicines might flunk FDA approval today

Derek Lowe
Medical Progress Today
November 17, 2005

With all the headlines in recent years about dangerous prescription drug side effects, many people must be wondering what happened to the days of safe, reliable medicines. Where are the new drugs that can get the job done safely? Where are the new aspirin, penicillin, acetaminophen?
As a drug discovery researcher, I can tell you something that might sound crazy: many of these older drugs would have a hard time getting approved today. Some of them would never even have made it to the FDA at all.

The best example is aspirin itself. It's one of the foundation stones of the drug industry, and it's hard to even guess how many billions of doses of it have been taken over the last hundred years. But if you were somehow able to change history so that aspirin had never been discovered until this year, I can guarantee you that it would have died in the lab. No modern drug development organization would touch it.

Thanks in part to advertisements for competing drugs, people know that there are some stomach problems associated with aspirin. Actually, its use more or less doubles the risk of a severe gastrointestinal event, which in most cases means bleeding seriously enough to require hospitalization. Lower doses such as those prescribed for cardiovascular patients and various formulation improvements (coatings and the like) only seem to improve these numbers by a small amount. Such incidents, along with others brought on by other oral anti-inflammatory drugs, are the most common severe drug side effects seen in medical practice.

It doesn't take too long to see these effects in a research program. Aspirin causes gastric lesions in rats and dogs, which are the standard small and large animal models for drug toxicity. This side effect occurs at levels which would raise red flags for any new compound. What would a present-day research organization do about it? If we stipulate that they could determine that aspirin worked by inhibiting cyclooxegenase enzymes, they would surely try to break the vascular effects of the drug apart from its anti-inflammatory effects. They would try to find new compounds that selectively inhibited only one of the enzyme subtypes. They would, in other words, produce Vioxx, and Celebrex, and the other COX-2 inhibitors, and this is just why these drugs were developed.

What about acetaminophen, then, known to much of the world under its brand name of Tylenol? This is another pain reliever that's been taken by untold millions of patients. But it has a chemical backbone (known as a para-amino phenol) that most medicinal chemists now shy away from. I've personally crossed compounds off lists of potential drug leads because they share too much of acetominophen's structure.

Here's the problem: the drug is usually cleared harmlessly by the body, but one pathway produces a compound that is potentially toxic. Even then, a defensive compound in the body known as glutathione reacts with it, and no harm is done. But if the body's stocks of glutathione are depleted, or if more of the acetaminophen is shunted through the minor pathway, serious liver injury occurs when the toxic metabolite is given a free hand.

An overdose of acetominophen can overwhelm the usual safeguards, as can the use of alcohol or other drugs that saturate the safe clearance routes. This effect would be impossible to miss as well. It's easily seen with high doses in rats and dogs, and was in fact noted in the 1950s when acetaminophen first came into clinical use. But the standards for such things are much higher today, and I seriously doubt that most drug companies would now take on the risk.

That brings us up to penicillin, a drug with a clean reputation if ever there was one. But at the same time, everyone has heard of the occasional bad allergic reaction to it and related antibiotics. Even with the availability of skin tests for sensitivity, these antibiotics cause about one fatality per 50 to 100,000 patient courses of treatment. Other severe reactions are twenty times as common. Those are interesting figures to put into today's legal context: over 9 million prescriptions were written for Vioxx, for example. Any modern drug that directly caused that number of patient deaths and injuries would bury its company in a hailstorm of lawsuits, because (unlike the Vioxx cases) there would be little room to argue about other risk factors. Anaphylactic shock is hard to mistake for anything else.

I could go on. Just recently, another classic antibiotic (erythromycin) was found on close examination to roughly double the risk of sudden cardiac death in patients who used it in combination with other medications. No doubt there are other effects of this kind waiting to be found.

What are we to make of all this? It’s possible to be both glad and worried. We can be relieved that we've learned so much more about pharmacology, ensuring that the drugs that manage to gain approval today are the safer than ever. Or we can think about how people seem to use aspirin and the other legacy drugs anyway, safety problems and all, and wonder how many more useful medicines we're losing by insisting on a higher bar.

I definitely see the point of the former, but I lean a bit toward the latter. Drugs have side effects, after all. Imagining that the older ones didn't, or pretending that the newer ones mustn't, is a recipe for disappointment. We're better served by reality, as it was and as it is.

Derek Lowe received his BA from Hendrix College and his PhD in organic chemistry from Duke before spending time in Germany on a Humboldt Fellowship on his post-doc. He's worked for several major pharmaceutical companies since 1989 on drug discovery projects against schizophrenia, Alzheimer's, diabetes, osteoporosis and other diseases. He is also the author of a blog on developments in the biopharmaceutical industry called In the Pipeline.
 

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That is not what the theory is. Cancer can only thrive in a highly acidic environment.

No, that's bull crap. The environment around cancer cells is acidic because of it's metabolic processes, cancer doesn't form there because it's an acidic environment it can thrive in. Wherever you read that they have their causal relationship backwards.
 

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Not me. I think chemo and radiation are barbaric and unnecessary. I would not expose myself to such torture. Besides, I'm not emotionally attached to whether I live or die. I live each day as if it is my last already. With the number of close calls I have already had in this body, I don't fear death in the least.

Interesting thoughts...........I wouldn't argue about chemo and radiation being "barbaric", but to deem them unnecessary, I would think a proven cure with better results would have to be available. Although I can understand your sentiment re life vs. death I'm guessing given there would be no hassles with either you'd pick life. From reading posters' comments on various subjects for several years, I think the general concensus is (correct me if I'm wrong) is that science trumps anecdotes. I think Oncologists treatment are based on science, no? Remember the idiot who was selling peach pits years ago as a sure fire cure for cancer? -:)
 

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This is pure unadulterated bull manure. My brothers life was saved by Chemo-Therapy. You can show ANYTHING in a "study", if you slant the study.

The single most valuable college course I ever took was "Research Design and Methodology", which showed us that about 95% of so called "research studies" are not worth the paper used to print them!
 

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Well that's good, because surprise surprise, NaturalNews makes it all up. The authors never said that chemo doesn't work. They said a substantial barrier to reducing morbidity is acquired resistance to cancer treatments. That's well known. What they found was a mechanism by which prostate cancer cells can adapt inside the environment around them when certain types of chemotherapies are used. In fact what this investigation has found is a new mechanism that could lead to better therapies. Nobody thinks chemotherapy is a great cancer therapy, that's why the pipelines of all the Pharmaceuticals include lots of molecules in the Oncology sector.

The fable that there is no money in cancer treatments is rubbish. The FDA approved 39 drugs for market in 2012, and 11 of them are new cancer therapies. They include kinase inhibitors (not a chemotherapy) that block the enzyme action of targeted cancer cells, and drugs like Perjeta that are indicated for use before a patient has received chemotherapy for metastatic breast cancer.

It's pure nonsense that Pharma only wants chemotherapies and drugs to fight the symptoms of chemotherapy. Finding this out would mean people have to actually look at reality instead of accepting these idiotic falsehoods as obvious truths.

There's many big pharma companies all chasing to have a treatment for disease X first. If you get the molecule that treats the disease before your competitors, then you make money that your competitor does not. That's what Drug companies exist for, to make money.


Your post contains far too much common sense and factual information to be posted on here. Please be more circumspect in the future................;-)

If I get cancer I'll be turning off the internet and paying close attention to what my Doctor advises. My Sis Inlaw had breast cancer and underwent Chemo-therapy and I'm happy to say she is still with us today. part of that reason wasn't from drinking Dandelion Tea or swearing off medical approved treatment, but following the advice of experts who deal with this stuff daily/

A very good friend of ours had breast cancer, listened to the naturopaths, faith healers, went to Mexico for a herbal treatment and lasted a year.

Whose to say she would have hung in longer with chemo - but, I'd put my bets on the cancer specialists who actually have at least an MD degree.
 

L Gilbert

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Then why do we not see anything from them regarding ph balance? Cancer can only grow in an acidic environment. It can't exist in an aerobic or ph balanced environment. Most of the cures I posted cannot be patented that is why they get poo pooed by the medical profession.
Again,

American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR) - eNews: Cancer and Acid-Base Balance

The Myths Of Acid Vs. Alkaline Foods | LIVESTRONG.COM

Alkaline Diets and Cancer: Fact or Fiction? - Food for Thought - Harvard Commentaries | Aetna InteliHealth

Your Urine is Not a Window to Your Body: pH Balancing – A Failed Hypothesis « Science-Based Pharmacy

And again, chemotherapy is not a fraud as the OP header says. Stick to the science, not to quacks like "Dr." Mercola.
 

darkbeaver

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Is Chemotherapy Effective?

How Effective Is Chemo Therapy?

AUSTRALIAN PAPER ON CHEMOTHERAPY
An important paper has been published in the Australian journal Clinical Oncology. This meta-analysis, entitled "The Contribution of Cytotoxic Chemotherapy to 5-year Survival in Adult Malignancies" set out to accurately quantify and assess the actual benefit conferred by chemotherapy in the treatment of adults with the commonest types of cancer. Although the paper has attracted some attention in Australia, the native country of the paper's authors, it has been greeted with complete silence on this side of the world.
All three of the paper's authors are oncologists. Lead author Associate Professor Graeme Morgan is a radiation oncologist at Royal North Shore Hospital in Sydney; Professor Robyn Ward is a medical oncologist at University of New South Wales/St. Vincent's Hospital. The third author, Dr. Michael Barton, is a radiation oncologist and a member of the Collaboration for Cancer Outcomes Research and Evaluation, Liverpool Health Service, Sydney. Prof. Ward is also a member of the Therapeutic Goods Authority of the Australian Federal Department of Health and Aging, the official body that advises the Australian government on the suitability and efficacy of drugs to be listed on the national Pharmaceutical Benefits Schedule (PBS) — roughly the equivalent of the US Food and Drug Administration.
Their meticulous study was based on an analysis of the results of all the randomized, controlled clinical trials (RCTs) performed in Australia and the US that reported a statistically significant increase in 5-year survival due to the use of chemotherapy in adult malignancies. Survival data were drawn from the Australian cancer registries and the US National Cancer Institute's Surveillance Epidemiology and End Results (SEER) registry spanning the period January 1990 until January 2004.


Wherever data were uncertain, the authors deliberately erred on the side of over-estimating the benefit of chemotherapy. Even so, the study concluded that overall, chemotherapy contributes just over 2 percent to improved survival in cancer patients.


Yet despite the mounting evidence of chemotherapy's lack of effectiveness in prolonging survival, oncologists continue to present chemotherapy as a rational and promising approach to cancer treatment.
"Some practition
 

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So there's room for improvement. That is not news.

Considering the many different types of cancer, the variety of chemo therapies, a study like that is pretty useless.

From what I can gather cancer is the name given to over 100 different diseases, some highly curable like some kinds of skin cancer and prostate cancer and others pretty formidable like pancreatic and ovarian.
 

darkbeaver

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So there's room for improvement. That is not news.

Considering the many different types of cancer, the variety of chemo therapies, a study like that is pretty useless.

I will go so far as to concede only that the science establishment is divided on the efficacy question. Based on your above comment it would seem that you do not trust any possible study that would support chemos usefulness either, seeing how "a study like that would be pretty useless". I have to believe that you rely on faith alone for your feelings in this matter then.


I'ts one bunch of PHDs ranged against another bunch of PHDs. I think , as usual, money may affect the tunes and the dancing.
 

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I will go so far as to concede only that the science establishment is divided on the efficacy question. Based on your above comment it would seem that you do not trust any possible study that would support chemos usefulness either, seeing how "a study like that would be pretty useless". I have to believe that you rely on faith alone for your feelings in this matter then.


I'ts one bunch of PHDs ranged against another bunch of PHDs. I think , as usual, money may affect the tunes and the dancing.
Off base by miles. What I was suggesting is that because there are so many different cancers and chemotherapies for them, tagging all of them with one measurement of efficacy is pretty useless. Some cancers are treated better with other therapies. Some cancers are treated most effectively by one form or another form of chemo.

You believe what you want, though. You've never let facts sway you from your beliefs as far as I know.
 

darkbeaver

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Off base by miles. What I was suggesting is that because there are so many different cancers and chemotherapies for them, tagging all of them with one measurement of efficacy is pretty useless. Some cancers are treated better with other therapies. Some cancers are treated most effectively by one form or another form of chemo.

You believe what you want, though. You've never let facts sway you from your beliefs as far as I know.

"As far as I know" . Not only do you have fine work habits but you are a diplomat.
 

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All you need to do is read. It's interesting that you beg to be convinced. Try and keep in mind that I didn't write the article or conduct the study. Trashing me will get you nothing. You already got lots of that.

Ill keep that in mind next time you post articles about that fairy tale pseudoscience crap you believe in.... The next time you defend some wingnuts article that supports your weird version of science, ill come in and remind you didnt write it and that the only dragon that exists is the one your chasing...
 

darkbeaver

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Ill keep that in mind next time you post articles about that fairy tale pseudoscience crap you believe in.... The next time you defend some wingnuts article that supports your weird version of science, ill come in and remind you didnt write it and that the only dragon that exists is the one your chasing...

You'll keep it in hahahahaha what? You three eyed toad licking door stop go play with yerself in the traffic.
 

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A very good friend of ours had breast cancer, listened to the naturopaths, faith healers, went to Mexico for a herbal treatment and lasted a year.

Whose to say she would have hung in longer with chemo - but, I'd put my bets on the cancer specialists who actually have at least an MD degree.

Me too.