Stretching the Harper hatred too far

[Cabbagesandking]

And there some that thing that if they write the "letter to the editor", they can use that as a source of fact. If they said it it must be true.

Are you one of those? Is colpy one of those?

Or are you one of those who cannot compose a letter to an editor and therefore post your "truth" on here?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Are you one of those? Is colpy one of those?

Or are you one of those who cannot compose a letter to an editor and therefore post your "truth" on here?

I can only wonder why you would think I was talking about you.

But you do have a bit of confusion about the difference between 'truth' and opinion. As somebody else said in this thread -- if one person has a problem with you, its their problem. If multiple people do, its yours.

 

[DaSleeper]

And there some that thing that if they write the "letter to the editor", they can use that as a source of fact. If they said it it must be true.

Or maybe the one who posted that little ditty here, and several other forums in the last few year plagiarized the letter writer in Oshawa
and we should ask for proof of ownership of that article, since as written in a newspaper and singed it is public and not subject to privacy laws.

 

[L Gilbert]

Yep: Harpy's gov't wants to dump its responsibilities for healthcare alright:

http://www.cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/45588.html

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/finance/hcpcp-pcpss/index-eng.php

So babble on about what Harpy says all you want, Cabbagehead, actions speak louder.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Or maybe the one who posted that little ditty here, and several other forums in the last few year plagiarized the letter writer in Oshawa
and we should ask for proof of ownership of that article, since as written in a newspaper and singed it is public and not subject to privacy laws.

That poem has never appeared in any newspaper. Or, if it did, it was without my knowledge and permission. You are treading with a heavy foot.

I had been urged to send it viral before the 2008 election (for which it was written) but, since I do not know how that is done, it never appeared anywhere under my name.

Yep: Harpy's gov't wants to dump its responsibilities for healthcare alright:

http://www.cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/45588.html

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/finance/hcpcp-pcpss/index-eng.php

So babble on about what Harpy says all you want, Cabbagehead, actions speak louder.

And in what way do those contradict my views. My views that most Provincial governments concur with as to the level of funding. My views that are supported by Harper's own words regarding participation in and delivery of Health care.

Harper has made it clear throughout his adult life that he is a firm believer in the "Night Watchman" idea of a federal government: the Anarchist/Libertarian model of a federal government that provides Defense and policing and very little more.

Bear in mind also that Harper cannot achieve his ambitions overnight. It would cause a revolution. He is doing these things incrementally.

 

[DaSleeper]

I believe everything you say:roll:

So does everybody else here;-)

Maybe you could sue the Oshawa express, but they keep a copy of the letters, paper or electronic mail, in case of a lawsuit.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

I believe everything you say:roll:

So does everybody else here;-)

Maybe you could sue the Oshawa express, but they keep a copy of the letters, paper or electronic mail, in case of a lawsuit.

And, if they printed that, it was without my knowledge and I do not know who gave it to them. Not that I care. Perhaps some friend of mine did give it and it would have done some good.

The point remains! Why are you trying to make something of that.

 

[L Gilbert]

And in what way do those contradict my views.

Reading problems?

My views that most Provincial governments concur with as to the level of funding. My views that are supported by Harper's own words regarding participation in and delivery of Health care.

Provinces are always moanin about federal participation. If the feds covered ALL the healthcare, the provinces would be wanting it to cover ALL education and everything else, too. So what?
Seems to me, that the provinces and territories all want the fed to cover this, that, and the other while keeping its beak out of how the funds are used. Sorry, but as far as I am concerned, the feds have a say in what happens as long as it is a contributor.

Harper has made it clear throughout his adult life that he is a firm believer in the "Night Watchman" idea of a federal government: the Anarchist/Libertarian model of a federal government that provides Defense and policing and very little more.

Me, too. If it were up to me, I'd keep the fed out of everything that could be dealt with by the provinces. I dislike centralised gov'ts in vast countries with many different needs and other such disparities between regions. As long as the provinces would decide upon a baseline of healthcare provisions, stuck with that baseline, collected their own taxes to fund healthcare, etc. they should be able to manahe it themselves.

Bear in mind also that Harper cannot achieve his ambitions overnight. It would cause a revolution. He is doing these things incrementally.

Despite being a provincial responsibility, the large health costs have long been partially funded by the federal government. The cost sharing agreement created by the HIDS Act and extended by the Medical Care Act was discontinued in 1977 and replaced by Established Programs Financing. This gave a bloc transfer to the provinces, giving them more flexibility but also reducing federal influence on the health system. In 1996, when faced with a large budget shortfall, the Liberal federal government merged the health transfers with the transfers for other social programs into the Canada Health and Social Transfer, and overall funding levels were cut. This placed considerable pressure on the provinces, and combined with population aging and the generally high rate of inflation in health costs, has caused problems with the system.

- Health care in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, in spite of your apparent shock at Harper and his gov't 's comments, he's not doing much of anything different than previous gov'ts and considering the the downturn in the economy starting in 2007/8, his gov't is likely contributing more to healthcare than previous gov'ts would have. In fact, previous gov'ts seemed to have the tendency to ignore healthcare in Canada and cut back on its contributions rather than planning for the future and keeping up the maintenance on its infrastructure.

So babble on all you want about Harper. At least he's DOING something with a thought to the future about it.

 

[DaSleeper]

And, if they printed that, it was without my knowledge and I do not know who gave it to them. Not that I care. Perhaps some friend of mine did give it and it would have done some good.

The point remains! Why are you trying to make something of that.

Way to back-peddle...instead of admitting you bullshyte...:roll:

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[Cabbagesandking]

Rather than go into detail, I will make just two comments for the moment.

First, the federal government is obliged to discuss and negotiate with the Provinces. This is a violation of tht obligation. You still do n not address the point of adequacy or give any actual calculation contradicting what I said about inflation and the 6%.

Second, Canada is already the most decentralized nation in the world. Why should it be further decentralized? It is now almost ungovernable because of the reduction of federal presence. That is how the Country almost did fall apart in the 1930s.

 

[Locutus]

That poem has never appeared in any newspaper. Or, if it did, it was without my knowledge and permission. You are treading with a heavy foot.

I had been urged to send it viral before the 2008 election (for which it was written) but, since I do not know how that is done, it never appeared anywhere under my name.

The letter I see in the Express is dated April 11th, 2007.

 

[taxslave]

Rather than go into detail, I will make just two comments for the moment.

First, the federal government is obliged to discuss and negotiate with the Provinces. This is a violation of tht obligation. You still do n not address the point of adequacy or give any actual calculation contradicting what I said about inflation and the 6%.

Second, Canada is already the most decentralized nation in the world. Why should it be further decentralized? It is now almost ungovernable because of the reduction of federal presence. That is how the Country almost did fall apart in the 1930s.

ROFLOMAO
Almost spit my lunch out too laughing so hard.

If Canada was anymore centralized we would be calling each other comrade.

 

[MapleDog]

ROFLOMAO
Almost spit my lunch out too laughing so hard.

If Canada was anymore centralized we would be calling each other comrade.

Its almost what quebec is,with the anti english folks,bill 101,Societé St Jean Baptiste and l'office de la langue française,thinking by crushing english it will save french.....or what is supposed to be french here.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

The letter I see in the Express is dated April 11th, 2007.

So what! And why are you doing this. That alters nothing of what I wrote.

You are a creepy pair.

 

[DaSleeper]

Shades of S.J.P

 

[JLM]

Shades of S.J.P

We haven't seen anything that bad since Avro left! :lol:

 

[SLM]

We haven't seen anything that bad since Avro left! :lol:

Since he "left" this week or since he "left" last week?

 

[JLM]

Since he "left" this week or since he "left" last week?

Holy sh*t, if I thought he was still peeking I'd have never have made the nasty comment I did, AS TRUE AS IT IS. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[SLM]

Holy sh*t, if I thought he was still peeking I've never have made the nasty comment I did, AS TRUE AS IT IS. :lol::lol::lol:

He's always watching....8O

Be afraid, be very afraid. Mwha ha ha ha.

But on a more serious note, truth always takes precedence. The truth is often unpleasant and ugly. I mean, if you want to be kind tart it up a bit to take the edge off, but always speak the truth. That's my advice.

 

[L Gilbert]

Rather than go into detail, I will make just two comments for the moment.

First, the federal government is obliged to discuss and negotiate with the Provinces. This is a violation of tht obligation.

So? Sue Harper and his gov't.

You still do n not address the point of adequacy or give any actual calculation contradicting what I said about inflation and the 6%.

So you expect to be able to make claims without the use of any such calculations and want me to provide some for my claims? roflmao

!Second, Canada is already the most decentralized nation in the world.

roflmao That's just flat out BULLSHYTE! For instance, SK farmers have just as much say about BC's coastal activity as BC residents. And that is because of the DFO and other federal regulatory institutions.

Why should it be further decentralized? It is now almost ungovernable because of the reduction of federal presence. That is how the Country almost did fall apart in the 1930s.

wow Next door is more decentralised. The States have more power over themselves than the feds have. So do the people in Switzerland. There are likely quite a few more, but those are two examples I can think of. Canada is fairly highly centralised.

"Ah, wahtta maroon" - B Bunny

ROFLOMAO
Almost spit my lunch out too laughing so hard.

If Canada was anymore centralized we would be calling each other comrade.

Quite.