Stephen Harper was played ‘like a chump’ in TPP deal, Mulcair says

DaSleeper

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I'm a little leery about Noam Chomsky's credentials. When I googled him I found "Chomsky is also a major figure in ana litic philosophy.[21
Actually Chomsky wasn't referring to Harper at all, as Cliffy would like us to believe...
That was taken from an interview back in January and Chomsky was actually talking about about every leftoid little darling.......OBAMA!
 

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I doubt Harper was duped. I think he is a willing puppet of the NWO and the corporate agenda.


 

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You still have Honda and Toyota assembly plants in Canada, under TPP do you think they will stay??
Neither of which were ever part of the Auto Pact. And no, I don't expect them to stay after seeing what happened with the FTA and NAFTA. Although Toyota might still keep some plants here. There was fear that they were going to close the Cambridge plant when the Corolla line went to Mexico but Toyota apparently has decided to build its entry level vehicles in places like Mexico and build it's more expensive models in Canada and the US.
 

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You still have Honda and Toyota assembly plants in Canada, under TPP do you think they will stay??



Seems it may also affect our cheap drugs in Canada.

Yes I expect them to stay, (and I can only speak for Honda as I know some people who work there) but they are changing their hiring method.

They used to martch the Union rate and benefits but have started hiring 'on a contract basis' for 12 months.

You have a situation of some workers making $32.00 an hour and new hires at $18.00 with no benefits, pension and job security And after TPP gets implemented and unemployment grows these like minded Companies will be able to command lower wages as desperation sets in.

But the TPP is so much more than 'trade' and an astute person would not vote for a Party that supports the TPP......

Bill Tieleman raises (link is external) the question of why Justin Trudeau and the Libs are willing to take the Cons' word for it on the TPP even as they rightly brand Stephen Harper as untrustworthy elsewhere:

“The real concern is that the whole thing is being written by corporations behind closed doors ... the consumers, who are not at the table, get screwed,” Stiglitz says.

But Trudeau is neither concerned nor opposed, saying last week: “The Trans-Pacific Partnership stands to remove trade barriers, widely expand free trade for Canada, and increase opportunities.”

So on TPP, Harper says “trust me” while Trudeau says “trust Harper” and trust free trade.

Trusting Trudeau on C-51 didn’t work – neither will it on the TPP.- Cory Doctorow examines (link is external) the TPP's draconian crackdown against basic computer security measures in the name of strengthening the hand of media giants. And Kent Roach and Craig Forcese argue (link is external) that the Cons' bluster about security has done plenty to attack our rights while doing nothing at all to actually make Canadians safer.
 

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why wouldn't Toyota stay when Wynne is subsidizing their expansion?

The Canadian Press
Published Friday, July 31, 2015 10:31AM EDT
Last Updated Friday, July 31, 2015 12:08PM EDT
CAMBRIDGE, Ont. -- The federal and provincial governments have teamed up to provide about $100 million to help expand Toyota's manufacturing operations in southern Ontario.
The money will go towards the automaker's planned $421-million investment at plants in Cambridge and Woodstock.

Ottawa's contribution will be a repayable loan of $59 million -- about 14 per cent of the cost of the project -- while the Ontario government is kicking in a grant of $42.1 million, or 10 per cent.
 

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Not participating in the TPP would isolate Canada from the rest of the world. We had to be a part of it. Face it, people, global trade is a reality we cannot ignore.
 

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Not participating in the TPP would isolate Canada from the rest of the world. We had to be a part of it. Face it, people, global trade is a reality we cannot ignore.

You're batting 1000. (These idiots like Mulehair and Jr. sure complicate things) :)
 

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Why hasn't Mulcair been talking about this issue all along, instead of waiting until Harper's big announcement?

Last time around, everything John Turner (and Ross Perot south of the border) said would happen under a NAFTA deal has come true....i.e. the outsourcing and collapse in wages and failures of promises of better jobs etc., so why was Mulcair fudging and limiting his criticism of TPP until now....when he appears desperate? Or maybe I'm just a cynic about politics in general!
 

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Why hasn't Mulcair been talking about this issue all along, instead of waiting until Harper's big announcement?

Last time around, everything John Turner (and Ross Perot south of the border) said would happen under a NAFTA deal has come true....i.e. the outsourcing and collapse in wages and failures of promises of better jobs etc., so why was Mulcair fudging and limiting his criticism of TPP until now....when he appears desperate? Or maybe I'm just a cynic about politics in general!

I'm surprised that one who was raised as one of ten siblings hasn't got more f**king brains! You can expect it from one raised on Sussex Drive with a platinum spoon in his mouth!
 

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I'm surprised that one who was raised as one of ten siblings hasn't got more f**king brains! You can expect it from one raised on Sussex Drive with a platinum spoon in his mouth!
Ten children is at least 8 too many!
It seems I've read a few times previously over the years that kids from large families are more sociable than those from one or two kid families, but usually the first is the only one who has great chances for success.......doesn't explain what happened in the Duggars example, but I can understand why a kid growing up in an overly large family would love the constant attention provided by the political circus.
 

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Anyone notice a common theme among the very stupid on this site? Say anything in less than praise of Harper and you're a conspiracy theorist, an alien, a welfare bum or some other derogatory thing.
 

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Ten children is at least 8 too many!
It seems I've read a few times previously over the years that kids from large families are more sociable than those from one or two kid families, but usually the first is the only one who has great chances for success.......doesn't explain what happened in the Duggars example, but I can understand why a kid growing up in an overly large family would love the constant attention provided by the political circus.

Until the last couple of generations big families were the key to survival of the human race.

did thomas read the deal yet?

Can Thomas read?

I guess whatever Mulehair says is Gospel!
 

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Considering Mulcair doesn't want to look at the deal, I am at a loss as to how he can make such a statement.
How can Harper claim bullshyte doom and gloom scenarios in his vote-for-me propaganda. I don't suppose He's had much time to read the fine print either....

Would you want to be reading a road map while you're driving across a frozen lake?
 

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Until the last couple of generations big families were the key to survival of the human race.
That was the past though! Today, this world is dangerously overpopulated. Most biologists and ecologists who've tried to get a handle on what our resource needs are agree that one billion is about the limit of sustainable human population on this planet. the only reason we are supporting 7+billion right now is through overdrawing non-renewable resources (starting with oil). Once they get used up, there's no way the planet will support the current...let alone expected rise in population in the coming decades. And yet with all of this, no one has been seriously talking about overpopulation for the past 40 years!