Stephen Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

[pastafarian]

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Jay, traditional "marriage" has not been affected even a teeny tiny bit (mine hasn't).

The only people who undermine the definition of "marriage"--lifelong commitment; vows before the community, each other, God or any combination thereof; "'til death do us part"; 'honour and cherish', etc-- are those who break their vows through adultery and divorce. I have some sympathy for the linguistic sticklers who say civil unions with ALL the rights and privileges of hetero marriage should be sufficient because they have some nostalgic fetish for the word "marriage".

Still, it's nothing a little pedanticide couldn't cure and language continually evolves.

It's at this point that my sympathy for the infintesimally small group of non-bigots who oppose SS "marriage" vanishes and I say," Our default position should be inclusivity not exclusivity."

 

[PoisonPete2]

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Liberals confuse laws that support irresponsible behavior with human rights. The two serve completely different masters.

Homosexuality is no more a human right than suicide. Both are practiced by the insane and affect society the same way - negatively. quote]

Answer - private concentual sex between adults is nobody else's business. Nor is the decision to take your own life. Suicide is not an act of insanity and homosexuality is an expression of desire. Human rights must not be subjegated by society but are a protection from social intrusion. That's why they are realized as individual rights. After all, we are not ants in a collective, but humans with free will functioning in an open society.

 

[Andygal]

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"Civil unions" are not "marriage".

It's an issue of social legitimacy not just legal rights to propertyy. As long as same sex couples are denied the right to actually marry, not just have "civil unions" then their unions are not being recognized as being as legitimate as those of "traditional" opposite sex couples.

 

[PoisonPete2]

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I guess Great Briton is a bigot then (along with a bunch of other countries). I don't believe it.

Answer - Yes. And warmongers to boot.
I'm quite proud that Canada was third (?) in line to awaken to this historic bigotry. Unfortunately it is a slow process to change social mores, but our country is a shining proof that it can happen.

 

[Jay]

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Jay, traditional "marriage" has not been affected even a teeny tiny bit (mine hasn't).

The only people who undermine the definition of "marriage"--lifelong commitment; vows before the community, each other, God or any combination thereof; "'til death do us part"; 'honour and cherish', etc-- are those who break their vows through adultery and divorce. I have some sympathy for the linguistic sticklers who say civil unions with ALL the rights and privileges of hetero marriage should be sufficient because they have some nostalgic fetish for the word "marriage".

Still, it's nothing a little pedanticide couldn't cure and language continually evolves.

It's at this point that my sympathy for the infintesimally small group of non-bigots who oppose SS "marriage" vanishes and I say," Our default position should be inclusivity not exclusivity."

Well put Pasta.

I just think it is an excellent compromise, and it seems countries like Briton agree. It just seems to me some people aren't willing to compromise, so it doesn't strike me as odd this issue is coming up again.

 

[pastafarian]

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It's an issue of social legitimacy not just legal rights to propertyy. As long as same sex couples are denied the right to actually marry, not just have "civil unions" then their unions are not being recognized as being as legitimate as those of "traditional" opposite sex couples.

Any people who see a cohabitaion arrangement as only "legitimate" when a particularly word--rather than any legal distinctions--is applied to it are unlikely to see homsexuality as "legitimate" anyway, so I think the point is moot.

I realise that I can't speak for homosexuals for whom "social legitimacy" is important, so I'm not.

Also, I'm a guy who only got married, after 10 years of co-habitation and two children, because it made the in-laws happy, and was something to arrange a party around when we visited my mate's birthplace. As far as I'm concerned, we were already "married'" in every important sense of the word, except the legal one that determines the rights of my mate on disposition of my estate following my death .

So, yeah, I really don't get all the fuss on either side, though I'm quite comtemptuous of the rabidly anti-SSM crowd, since they're almost all moronic bigots .

 

[Cosmo]

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Liberals confuse laws that support irresponsible behavior with human rights. The two serve completely different masters.

Homosexuality is no more a human right than suicide. Both are practiced by the insane and affect society the same way - negatively.

When irresponsible governments create irresponsible laws, they must be undone for the good of society.

In reality, sanity only requires that you acknowledge the facts - not like them.

I can't wait for your reply, blah, blah, blah.

Hogwild ... FYI ... I am a cranky, tattooed, dyke who is used to stomping little shitbirds like you into the ground with my Daytons. (Ok, I admit it's more likely to be Fluevogs and I only use my feet so as not to break a nail, but you get the idea.)

Homophobia is a mental disorder. Look it up. I won't bother to Google it for you, but you can read all about it if you so choose. There have been studies done that have shown scientifically that the worst homophobic men, when shown gay porn, respond sexually to it, while men who are not homophobic do not respond. No doubt what would happen if they wrapped your Vienna Sausage and showed ya beefcake

If I sound a bit flip it's only because this topic has been discussed to death. I'm weary of trying to educate people like you. I guess your mom never told you that when you have nothing of value to say, the best thing is to shut the computer off?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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excellent J.C. diverting from the topic for a second.....but those are the "qualfications"...er..."requirements" to be prez in the US these days..........( and sacs full of money.......which no one cares how you attained.... the more criminal the better as there is a secret worship of those that get away with crimes of all order)

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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Homosexuality is no more a human right than suicide. Both are practiced by the insane and affect society the same way - negatively.

sadly , this demonstrates how little ya know about each...

 

[Cosmo]

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From what I recall of your posts, Ocean, that's kinda your area, ain't it? Psychology?

Maybe a little free time on the cyber couch would benefit our friend??

 

[no1important]

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As far as I am concerned by bringing this long forgotten issue up again and saying he will have a free vote just shows what a intolerant, bigoted pig Harper really is.

What next? Is he going to slam or go after immigrants?

I would never vote for a party that had a leader like that.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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What next? Is he going to slam or go after immigrants?

Not in public.

 

[the caracal kid]

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he will only go after immigrants that don't fit his ideals of 'model immigrants'. Like reverend blair said though, he won't do it in public. Perhaps we will be so 'lucky' to hear one of his underlings let something slip.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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From what I recall of your posts, Ocean, that's kinda your area, ain't it? Psychology?

Maybe a little free time on the cyber couch would benefit our friend??

:lol: :lol:

some time in a cyber mental health unit might be better. (with an adjacent classroom for some REAL education :wink:

I "swear" that lack of knowledge (scientific data ) is the basis of much of the bias /prejudice around these issues. The other is conditioning from childhood. ......and warped family "values"..Of course "religion" plays a nasty part in all this with its hell and damnation crap. "religion" is the most pathologically judgemental vehicle there is.--and gosh, does it work on some people. Mainly the suggestable and the insecure. Science is the most logical , non biased avenue to date.

 

[Jay]

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some time in a cyber mental health unit might be better. (with an adjacent classroom for some REAL education :wink:

Spoken like a true leftie.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Spoken like a true leftie.

Spewed like an insane right-wing ideologue who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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some time in a cyber mental health unit might be better. (with an adjacent classroom for some REAL education :wink:

Spoken like a true leftie.

rather that , than a Harper "head bobber."

ya got a problem with "education"??? and knowledge???

 

[Jay]

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I thought you would like that one....

 

[Jay]

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Spoken like a true leftie.

Spewed like an insane right-wing ideologue who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Oh ya, I forgot to tell you....that little saying is getting old. You should get some new material.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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I thought you would like that one....

nothing to "like" or "dislike"......... just the same ol' mantra of the "neocon" head bobbers that prefer to follow the crowd.

ho hum.