Stephane Dion's Green Shift

TenPenny

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Yes, it will work for Canada, as long as you don't mind paying more for....every single thing in your life. Truckers, farmers, fishermen, taxi drivers, nobody is going to accept the carbon tax without passing the cost on to...you. And me. And everyone else.
 

IndependantMind

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You guys just don't understand the Green Shift. Harper's brainwashed you into thinking it's a bunch of taxes... but it's not! It's a comprehensive and innovative plan that will save us all money, create jobs, cut income tax and propel us into the future.

Fossil fuels are a quagmire, it's time to evolve our minds and our country!
 

Risus

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You guys just don't understand the Green Shift. Harper's brainwashed you into thinking it's a bunch of taxes... but it's not! It's a comprehensive and innovative plan that will save us all money, create jobs, cut income tax and propel us into the future.

Fossil fuels are a quagmire, it's time to evolve our minds and our country!
Hey bud, I know whats its all about, and it is gunna cost every Canadian citizen. No Harper brainwashing either.
 

Colpy

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You guys just don't understand the Green Shift. Harper's brainwashed you into thinking it's a bunch of taxes... but it's not! It's a comprehensive and innovative plan that will save us all money, create jobs, cut income tax and propel us into the future.

Fossil fuels are a quagmire, it's time to evolve our minds and our country!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

(Wipes tears from eyes)

And he calls himself Independent Mind?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Stop it! You're killing me!
 

Colpy

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Yes, it will work for Canada, as long as you don't mind paying more for....every single thing in your life. Truckers, farmers, fishermen, taxi drivers, nobody is going to accept the carbon tax without passing the cost on to...you. And me. And everyone else.

Exactly.

And the economy will slow........falter.......

It is idiotic. Especially when (if I remember correctly) 2% of GHGs are produced in Canada.........

And the Green Shift will eliminate how much of that 2%?
 

Ron in Regina

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Is anyone able to find any reference anywhere with respect to just what
percentage of the money collected by this "Green Shift" (if it ever comes into
existence) will be utilized to administer this thing??? I've looked and just can't
find this answer.

I'm also trying to find a list as to who these "700 worst polluters" are that
are mentioned with respect to this "Green Shift" wealth distribution plan. Has
anyone been able to find the answer to either of these questions???

I know these are not new questions, but nobody has stepped forward with an
answer to either. Any takers this time???
 

Ron in Regina

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"IndependantMind," I don't agree with you at all, but I appreciate your passion on this Green Shift abortion. This isn't
a new topic to most folks here, but you might bring something new to the table. Don't be put off just yet. Exactly why
do you think this plan WILL WORK for Canada? You believe in this thing, so sell it...worst that could happen is that
everyone learns something. Think it through, and be prepared to defend your position.

Keep in mind that I'm in Western Canada (the middle of Farm country) and work in the Trucking Industry. OK...Go!!!
 

Praxius

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You guys just don't understand the Green Shift. Harper's brainwashed you into thinking it's a bunch of taxes... but it's not! It's a comprehensive and innovative plan that will save us all money, create jobs, cut income tax and propel us into the future.

Fossil fuels are a quagmire, it's time to evolve our minds and our country!

You're right on the last line, but other then that, I believe you're slightly misguided:

#1 - I understand the Green Shift all too well, and exactly what it's going to mean to us all.

#2 - Harper didn't have to do anything to brainwash us, Dion did a good enough job all on his own..... and it is "A Bunch of Taxes" since it's dubbed a "Carbon Tax."

#3 - It will not save us any money at all, as there is nothing removing the loopholes in his plan of preventing the factories and companies passing their expenses onto the consumer, ie: you and I. Case in point would be the gas issue at present. Notice how the gas prices have gone up? Notice how our foods, bills and other products have also gone up in price? Add a carbon tax that makes those same companies and products have to dish out more for how they make their products, and all they will do is yet again, increase the costs of their products to meet this new carbon tax demand put onto them...... hince it is not put onto them, it is put onto us.

#4 - The only jobs this will create will be in the new departments made to operate this stupid plan. Meanwhile our companies and factories will have to cut jobs/workers in order to meet this new cost put onto them.

#5 - Cut Income Tax? Most people don't get anything back on their income taxes to begin with..... not everybody does their income taxes. Not everybody can file their income taxes. What about the people who came from other countries who are using working visas and other, in order to work in Canada? They can claim any of their additional costs on income tax, and get their money back, therefore all the money they had to add ontop of their everyday lives, will remain in the hands of Dion and the Liberals, therefore it does not balance out to anything, except another tax and another money grab by the LIberals.

#6 - Look up the HST/BST here in Nova Scotia. Who created it? what was the original intention for making this tax? What to the majority of maritimers think of it now?

Answers: The Liberals Created it here in Atlantic Canada..... The original intention was to reduce the tax burdens on products that were taxed with both PST and GST, which originally added up to about 18% to one tax of the HST of 15%. Sounded great huh? Yeah, we thought so too.... except that they completely removed both the GST and PST here, and therefore anything that had either tax of 7% GST or 11% PST, was not a 15% HST..... therefore overall, we end up dishing out even more then what we did before.

ie: Tax Grab.

Here's a tid bit in regards to why we can't seem to keep doctors here:
Harmonized sales tax a taxing issue for MDs in Atlantic Canada
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/157/10/1411.pdf

#7 - Due to the HST/BST, do you think that idiotic tax propelled us into the future any? Quick answer: We're worse off then we were before.

I know first hand what this stupid Carbon Tax will spell for the rest of Canada, and I know this plan will cripple our country. I agree we need to move from fossil fuels..... but this carbon tax BS is clearly not the answer.
 

Praxius

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Is anyone able to find any reference anywhere with respect to just what
percentage of the money collected by this "Green Shift" (if it ever comes into
existence) will be utilized to administer this thing??? I've looked and just can't
find this answer.

I'm also trying to find a list as to who these "700 worst polluters" are that
are mentioned with respect to this "Green Shift" wealth distribution plan. Has
anyone been able to find the answer to either of these questions???

I know these are not new questions, but nobody has stepped forward with an
answer to either. Any takers this time???

Nope, I haven't seen any answers to those questions and many more.... that's the other big issue, as there is no detailed layout of how this will work..... not to mention I posted a report a few days ago from Liberals who want to change the "Green Shift" because of concerns by those they represent. First the Liberals said they would allow the plan to be open to change, now it's going to remain as it is..... now they're saying the green shift is sort of a "Guidline" rather then an actual plan..... talk about idiots who don't know wtf they're doing.

Source:
Some Grits seek green shift shift
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/federal-elections/76593-some-grits-seek-green-shift.html

"When Dion launched the green shift last June, he said Liberals would spend the summer having a "dialogue" with Canadians about the complicated plan. Since then, one insider said the leader has rejected any criticism of the plan, insisting "there will be no changes, not a comma.....

.....While Dion has touted the green shift as a comprehensive, detailed plan to combat climate change, Thibault said: "In my mind, it’s a statement of principles, it’s not a recipe."

^ As I see it, There is no plan, just an empty promise with no direction..... who the hell wants to vote for that?
 

Risus

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Because of all the criticism of his plan, Dion is going to present a revision of it today. A little too late, the damage has already been done...
 

einmensch

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The Green Canada--Earth is similar to an terrerium--China produces and emits contaminants--Canada supports this 100% Efforts to reduce noxious emissions in Canada is a minor remedy. If Canada wishes to make an impact, Canada needs to refuse buying from companies that don't meet Canadian Environmental Standards. Beijing air and Yangze water will soon mix with ours.

Vote Harper-> defender of the Afghan Pipeline-----vote Duh Dion or ?
 

Praxius

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The Harper can shove his Afghan pipline up his own A-Pipe and twist the knob to full on until it all spews out his nose like milk.

I sure as hell ain't voting for either of those numbskulls. Granted I appreciate the improvements in our military, but to me, it's not near enough to meeting the demands of the Canadian public.

And Dion can't tell which food he should be spread on, let alone how to run the country, let alone how to run his own party. Vote Dion, and we'll end up with a Pansy-Arse version of Bush.... No balls and no brains.
 

Ron in Regina

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OK.....Mr. Dion announced yesterday that he's been budgeted a BILLION DOLLAR reserve
in this "Green Plan" wealth distribution thing...and he's going to somehow spread that out
now to Truckers, Farmers, and Fishermen. This came out as he was introducing a new
candidate in Regina (the former Regina Chief of Police).

For a "revenue neutral" tax scheme (not neutral to who's paying, but supposedly neutral in
that the government was going to pay out everything collected to someone....), where on
Earth is this BILLION DOLLAR reserve coming from? Revenue neutral? In a pigs eye.
 

lone wolf

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Independent? HA!

When the price of everything goes up to support Dion's ill-conceived pipe dream - but my Disability pension doesn't go up and I get no tax rebate because I don't make enough to pay taxes, you tell me how a half-wit proposal is going to make things better for ME?
 

#juan

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I understand Harper is going to bring out a plan that will solve all our green issues and will cost nothing. Our taxes will go down, and we will all get a ten thousand dollar rebate from the federal government. If all this good stuff doesn't happen right away, give it a year or two, or three. We can always have another election..... At least that is what Harper said........this time....not the last time....The last time he said we shouldn't be having all these elections....and he knows best.......Sure he does.......
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