`Some Thing` After Death.......

[ahmadabdalrhman]

yup that can to be
but if we the proves it not the wrong we believe it ?
Will you redo this question I don't understand.

yup that can to be

but if we can to proves that we believe not the wrong way
can we believe in it ?

 

[darkbeaver]

yup that can to be

but if we can to proves that we believe not the wrong way
can we believe in it ?

I assume that we can prove that the good way is the right way and this is what we do because we believe/feel the rightness of it reflected in those we have gifted.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

I assume that we can prove that the good way is the right way and this is what we do because we believe/feel the rightness of it reflected in those we have gifted.

and what we doing if we believe/feel that way was good but we know it have much from contradiction ?

 

[Cliffy]

ahmadman,

All religion is contradiction. Allah, God, Yahweh, Great Spirit are all supposed to be loving beings but if we fail to kiss his hairy butt daily he will strike us down with all sorts of torture and suffering. Great! If he sticks his hairy butt in my face I will kick it as hard as I can because, if god requires such adoration, he is not only insecure but a psychopath for inflicting all that pain.

I do not suffer psychopaths lightly. Your god is a lunatic.

 

[eanassir]

Hello EA, I tend to agree with the ethereal soul concept because it satisfys the longing for continuence in the next state. I also tend to believe that fear of the emptiness of death and the inate need in most of us to hope for this continuence has been the building blocks of religion and not the beautiful beguileing words of man. The love and fear of god and the hope of the happy hunting grounds predates the written word by a bit, so in that respect, if you'll forgive me, you lot, god technicians, are rather late to the game of salvation. Never mind you're doing splendid work catching up nontheless.
The origin of the beautiful compilations in your sacred book are and have been the stuff of universal conversation and contemplation, by firelight and moonbeam, for quite a while now. It is understandable that human traditions with respect to the way of death and life should have such widely divergent ideas. We should bear in mind that our own cultural and traditional beliefs may in fact be incorrect especially with respect to god. I find it interesting that many traditions teach that overmuch pride and scornful certitude and intolerance are all considered to have no virtue. Why would god command scorn and contempt for the unfortunate unbeliever instead of brotherly love and patcient kind tolerance seemingly in contrevention of his own example and word?
Every thing in the universe knew the powers of the gods long before mankind time, you decieve us with the words of men. Pleasently though.:lol:

PS: I hear through the grape vine that Sinister entertains waneing resolve to remain stubbornly unsaved in the light of your instruction.

This is in the Quran 16: 70-74​

وَلَا تَحْزَنْ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا تَكُن فِي ضَيْقٍ مِّمَّا يَمْكُرُونَ . وَيَقُولُونَ مَتَى هَذَا الْوَعْدُ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ . قُلْ عَسَى أَن يَكُونَ رَدِفَ لَكُم بَعْضُ الَّذِي تَسْتَعْجِلُونَ . وَإِنَّ رَبَّكَ لَذُو فَضْلٍ عَلَى النَّاسِ وَلَكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَا يَشْكُرُونَ . وَإِنَّ رَبَّكَ لَيَعْلَمُ مَا تُكِنُّ صُدُورُهُمْ وَمَا يُعْلِنُونَ​

The explanation:
(But grieve not for them, nor let you[r chest] be straitened for what they devise.

They say: "When will this promise [of the doom] be fulfilled, if you [believers] speak the truth?"

Say: "It may be that some of [the punishment] that you wish to hasten on will soon come to you in succession."

[O Mohammed,] truly, your Lord has [a great] favor on people, but most of them do not give thanks.

[O Mohammed] surely your Lord knows what [secrets] their hearts conceal, and what [words] they disclose.)

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Hello, DB
Some people think that religion in general has been invented by man to satisfy his needs: psychological and other needs and advantages, and that religion has fulfilled its need and there is no need for it: so that no God, no prophet, no revelation: all are illusions and imaginations and trickery. God also according to their claims is an invention!

These are only the assertions and delusions of atheists, and they are wrong, and will lose.

God Almighty is True and He is the Creator; He is One without associate; He sent the apostles and revealed to them His sacred books: the Torah, the Gospel and the Quran. God is Most Gracious, Most Forgiving and Most Kind and Most Merciful: He inserted the mercy of the mother – in her heart – for her child; and He is Most Clement so that He postpones their punishment to the next life: in order that some of them may repent and correct their misbelief and misconduct.

The next afterlife is true, and the disbeliever will lose.

So that is the claim of the atheist and this latter is the claim of the believer, and one of the two parties are correct; according to this aya 34: 24​

قُلْ مَن يَرْزُقُكُم مِّنَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ قُلِ اللَّهُ وَإِنَّا أَوْ إِيَّاكُمْ لَعَلَى هُدًى أَوْ فِي ضَلَالٍ مُّبِينٍ​

The explanation:
(Say: "Who provides you from the heavens and the earth?" Say: "God [it is Who provides you],
and you will see whether I or you are on guidance or in obvious error.")
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While concerning Dexter: all my respect to his science, but of course I don't agree with his skepticism.


eanassir
http://man-after-death.t35.com​

 

[Cliffy]

Some people think that religion in general has been invented by man to satisfy his needs

eanassir,

I would qualify that statement: "Intelligent people think that religion in general has been invented by man to satisfy his needs..." You will be sorry when you die and find out that you wasted you life on such silly beliefs. Go get laid and enjoy yourself. Life can be really short. You could die tomorrow without ever having had some fun. What a waste that would be.

 

[VanIsle]

Some people think that religion in general has been invented by man to satisfy his needs

eanassir,

I would qualify that statement: "Intelligent people think that religion in general has been invented by man to satisfy his needs..." You will be sorry when you die and find out that you wasted you life on such silly beliefs. Go get laid and enjoy yourself. Life can be really short. You could die tomorrow without ever having had some fun. What a waste that would be.

Cliff
If you don't believe in God then you don't believe in life after death so how will you ever know about life after death and how will you ever know what you wasted? I thought you believed in spirituality but not organized religion. Are you suggesting that with spirituality there is life after death but just not with organized religion? :-?

 

[VanIsle]

Yes I do. I believe that the continuum of life continues after death. In one sense, there really is not a beginning or end to life, life is a continuum.

Does life begin at conception? That is religious dogma. The sperm is very much alive before conception. Does life end after we die? Again, no way, the individual cells in our body are very much alive after we die.

Indeed, the cells can continue to live indefinitely in a Petri dish. Birth and death truly form a continuum.

So to come back to your question, I believe that birth-death cycle continues after death. Death of a human being is merely a stopping point in the cycle. Our body (burned or buried) fertilizes and nourishes further life.

Sir Joe,
Did you know that some people believe that atheists are actually so afraid of God that they deny his existance? You don't believe in God. Many are saying in places on these forums that God could not still exist, nor could Jesus. Then I see you stating that you believe life is a continuum. Then it must be so for God and in particular Jesus - (the word made flesh). What do you think your burned body, scattered in the wind to not even become a tiny pile of ashes has to do with nourishing or fertilizing anything?
Ah - I know the answer - The Answer my Friend is Blowin' in the Wind. :lol: It's very late. Kip time. Early work day tomorrow.

 

[Cliffy]

IslandSpecific,

Life is a continuum. Life goes on whether you believe or not. Why wait to die before you realize that heaven is in you, on Earth. Energy is what animates us. It can neither be destroyed or created, it just transforms.

When the vehicle you call your body ceases to function, it decomposes into the elements that make it up and fertilizes new life. Part of you become that blade of grass that the cow eats and is in turn eaten by another human.

Life is cyclical. Some day you may decide that you want to experience physical human life again and chose to come back. Maybe not. Maybe you want to come back as a dog or a rabbit. Who knows, you may come back as a messiah or a pumpkin. That is just speculation but is it any less valid than your beliefs about the after life? I don't think so.

Besides all that, I have had several near death experiences and I know that life goes on beyond the decomposition of the body. And the only way you can know that is to die and come back. For the skeptics - I flat lined for several minutes more than once.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Did you know that some people believe that atheists are actually so afraid of God that they deny his existance?

Islandpacific, people are free to believe what they want, that is their right and their prerogative. I know why I am an atheist; I don’t see any evidence for existence of God.

Then I see you stating that you believe life is a continuum. Then it must be so for God and in particular Jesus

Now really, how does one follow the other? I am not postulating continuum in some mystical, metaphysical sense, like the reincarnation proposed by the Hindus. The continuum I propose is the one we see all around us every day. It has nothing to do with religion.

What do you think your burned body, scattered in the wind to not even become a tiny pile of ashes has to do with nourishing or fertilizing anything?
Ah - I know the answer - The Answer my Friend is Blowin' in the Wind

Good, you answered your own question. The gases generated during incineration become part of the atmosphere, are inhaled by animals, the CO2 in them is photosynthesized by the plants and the cycle continues.

Incidentally, I assume you won’t mind me revealing your canada.com name here (VanIsle). We already have me (SirRupertMurgartroyd, but you already know that), Cliffy, Spade and BCPC (SirFrancis2004) here.

 

[scratch]

A very inappropriate unveiling of members. Highly disrespectful and foolish.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

A very inappropriate unveiling of members. Highly disrespectful and foolish.

Really? What is disrespectful and foolish about that? Nobody’s real name is revealed, Canada.com names have already been revealed on this forum before this, I merely summarized them for the benefit of Islandpacific. It didn’t concern you anyway (names from canada.com mean nothing to you), what is your problem.

I think it is useful for canada.com members to know who they are (I remember Islandpacific suggesting that we should all sign up under our canada.com names and not different names). It is really for the convenience of canada.com members, I don’t see what is disrespectful or foolish about it.

 

[scratch]

Inappropriate post on my part.

 

[Cliffy]

scratch,

This a much more diverse and interesting forum from the one we migrated from. I am enjoying the intellectual stimulation. also, I would like to ad that you are a man of few words.