Soldier is hacked to death by Muslim men just yards from barracks in London

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The murdered soldier has been named as Drummer Lee Rigby of 2nd Battalion Royal Regiment of Fusiliers. He was aged 25.

Tragically, Lee leaves behind not only a wife but also a two-year-old son named Jack.



Drummer Lee Rigby, 25, of 2nd Battalion Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, leaves behind his wife Rebecca and his two-year-old son Jack

Lee was from the Middleton area of Manchester and he joined the army in 2006. He had served in Afghanistan, Germany and Cyprus, yet he was killed in a street in his own capital city.

Most of the rest of Drummer Lee's battalion are curently in Afghanistan but he was at the Woolwich Barracks because he took up a post with the Regimental Recruiting Team in London in 2011.

Capt Alan Williamson said: "Drummer Rigby or 'Riggers' as he was known within the platoon was a cheeky and humorous man, always there with a joke to brighten the mood."

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said: "This was a senseless murder of a soldier who has served the Army faithfully in a variety of roles including operational tours in Afghanistan.







Any person who reads this entire story that has an ounce of imagination knows full well there are instances where the death penalty is a no brainer.
 

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Any person who reads this entire story that has an ounce of imagination knows full well there are instances where the death penalty is a no brainer.
but luckily the death penalty is not based on the need for imagination
 

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If you can explain how it factors in, I'll tell you.

Your the one who mentioned it in the above Post, so you must have felt its important, so I was just trying to understand its significants.

Are you ashamed of your religion, I'm not, I'm Christian!! And you are ?
 

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Your the one who mentioned it in the above Post, so you must have felt its important, so I was just trying to understand its significants.

Are you ashamed of your religion, I'm not, I'm Christian!! And you are ?

I was replying to DaS's post, where he discussed honestly appraising one's religion when choosing it. And I'm not ashamed of my religion, I discuss it frequently on this forum.

-:) I didn't say the guy with the imagination would be imposing the death penalty, he would just recognize the need for it.-:)

My imagination dwells on many, many things. Killing people isn't one of them.
 

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I was replying to DaS's post, where he discussed honestly appraising one's religion when choosing it. And I'm not ashamed of my religion, I discuss it frequently on this forum.



My imagination dwells on many, many things. Killing people isn't one of them.

I'm not sure the term "people" quite fits with what I had in mind. -:)
 

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I was replying to DaS's post, where he discussed honestly appraising one's religion when choosing it. And I'm not ashamed of my religion, I discuss it frequently on this forum.
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Oh ok, I'm not on here often because I have a life and I'm hard working dude so missed the Posts where you discussed your religion.

So what is your religion, it can't be a secret now can it?
 

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Oh ok, I'm not on here often because I have a life and I'm hard working dude so missed the Posts where you discussed your religion.

So what is your religion, it can't be a secret now can it?

Why is it important. I am converting to Islam. Does that matter?
 

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-:) I didn't say the guy with the imagination would be imposing the death penalty, he would just recognize the need for it.-:)
yeah it would give me nightmares...:D when I am at my angriest I can definitely see it and for a little while I can indulge my imagination on how it would rid the world of evil...but it is just my imagination at play with my anger (emotion) a nasty combination, because reality and how the death penalty works is not an easy process that leaves society unscathed. And for me, it is an irrational action. It does not make sense to me, in any way.
 

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yeah it would give me nightmares...:D when I am at my angriest I can definitely see it and for a little while I can indulge my imagination on how it would rid the world of evil...but it is just my imagination at play with my anger (emotion) a nasty combination, because reality and how the death penalty works is not an easy process that leaves society unscathed. And for me, it is an irrational action. It does not make sense to me, in any way.

Vengeance rarely does make sense. It can at times be understood, but that does not make it right.
 

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Vengeance rarely does make sense. It can at times be understood, but that does not make it right.
I think taking a life for any reason, even in self defense takes it's toll. One has removed another being from the face of the earth possibly forever.
 

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Speaking honestly, for myself, I was born into my religion. I remain in my religion because, honestly speaking, all religions suffer the same faults.

As for making excuses for the nutcases, no one here has done that. The defining characteristic is that if and when moderate Muslims attempt to say 'we do not support the actions of these nutcases', it is not accepted the same way as when Christians speak out against their nutcases.
But plenty of excuses have been made for a religion that loudly proclaims killing all infidels.....
While you would be hard pressed to find a Christian cleric that even "condones" harming anyone because their faith is different from Christianity....
I could spam this board for days with videos of muslim clerics preaching not just killing Jews and other infidels but their total extermination....
So your comparison is very PC but not very realistic in context of everything that is happening around us....

On another note .....but it somewhat fits this thread...
The truth is incorrect - YouTube


He may be an Atheist.....but I agree a lot with Pat Condell
 

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But plenty of excuses have been made for a religion that loudly proclaims killing all infidels.....
While you would be hard pressed to find a Christian cleric that even "condones" harming anyone because their faith is different from Christianity....
I could spam this board for days with videos of muslim clerics preaching not just killing Jews and other infidels but their total extermination....
So your comparison is very PC but not very realistic in context of everything that is happening around us....

On another note .....but it somewhat fits this thread...
The truth is incorrect - YouTube


He may be an Atheist.....but I agree a lot with Pat Condell

How many Western Muslims call for death to infidels. We would have to look at the generation in country, what country they emigrated from.
If you check on the EU, I think that you would find a strong current of blatant racism in many of those countries. France, Hungary and Greece to name 3.

Do many in other countries call for this. killing of Infidels. I would have to agree. Do all, then I would disagree.

Will we see more of these type of attacks- Yes.
 

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yeah it would give me nightmares...:D when I am at my angriest I can definitely see it and for a little while I can indulge my imagination on how it would rid the world of evil...but it is just my imagination at play with my anger (emotion) a nasty combination, because reality and how the death penalty works is not an easy process that leaves society unscathed. And for me, it is an irrational action. It does not make sense to me, in any way.

I understand your reasoning exactly, Sal, but there's another side, we know there is no such thing as a secure prison, a few even escaped from Alcatraz, that was supposedly impossible to escape from, so there is no way we can guarantee a living criminal will not reoffend. God forbid but some day Paul Bernardo or someone of his ilk is going to escape which will almost certainly result in the loss of more life.
 

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I understand your reasoning exactly, Sal, but there's another side, we know there is no such thing as a secure prison, a few even escaped from Alcatraz, that was supposedly impossible to escape from, so there is no way we can guarantee a living criminal will not reoffend. God forbid but some day Paul Bernardo or someone of his ilk is going to escape which will almost certainly result in the loss of more life.
Paul Bernardo was the Scarborough rapist. He is one sick man but i doubt he is a murderer. The one who murdered is free, married and has children of her own.

I do not buy the argument that we must murder just in case somewhere down the road someone might escape and they might re-offend. How many people have escaped from Canadian prisons and murdered? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/03/18/f-canadian-jail-escapes.htm not many.

I am glad we do not have the death penalty. World wide more and more countries have moved away from it. The Death Penalty Worldwide | Infoplease.com