Socialism Is the Only Way

iARTthere4iam

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Socialist? That means care in the true sense of the word. Apparently you have never become disabled on the job then had to deal with the mercies of our benevolent government to survive. If suicide ever looks an option again, I am taking at least one of the bas*ards out with me....

Woof!

What more could you possibly want? Please spell it out for me as all I can hear is that you want to take yet more money off my paycheck. We have disability, emplyoment insurance, welfare, medicare, subsidised housing, subsidised schooling, even corporate welfare for chrissake! What else should the government be responsible for?

Clearly as you pointed out the government is not good at being compassionate despited endless billions paid by Canadians for exactly that purpose. Why would anyone advocate giving the government more money and more power?
 

iARTthere4iam

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Goodmorning iART; you are truly an idiot, the massacres have been going on for decades while you were playing with yourself. Western society is not worth saving, it depends for it's survival on war, theft, murder and dumb rubes like you to perpetuate genocide for the benefit of the few elites at the top banking scum everyone of them. I have the feeling that the hopeful future you look forward to is the status-quo. Your ideas about Capitalism are infantile nonsence, bedtime stories for wannabe CEOs. Only the completly brain dead believe them. Get stuffed! Have a nice boring day.:lol:

So, I am an idiot, so says the Beaver. I can live with that. What are you Beaver who hates our society so much but doen't have the balls to leave and go live in one of the glorious socialist utopias our world has to offer and await our destruction with glee.

I don't know many of the "elite banking scum" who apparently run everything and get all of the benefits of the world by raping the rest of us, but according to your other posts banking will soon collapse so I wouldn't worry too much about them. I do see many regular people enjoying the fruits of the society from education to healthcare to a vibrant economy. The fact that you want all this to end so that your doomsday scenarios can come true is sad in the extreme. Is that what you want for your children?
 

lone wolf

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What more could you possibly want? Please spell it out for me as all I can hear is that you want to take yet more money off my paycheck. We have disability, emplyoment insurance, welfare, medicare, subsidised housing, subsidised schooling, even corporate welfare for chrissake! What else should the government be responsible for?

Clearly as you pointed out the government is not good at being compassionate despited endless billions paid by Canadians for exactly that purpose. Why would anyone advocate giving the government more money and more power?

Considering I worked for them when shyte happened ... how about ME? I'll be only too happy to give you back the two cents worth of your paycheque it takes to support me - if you'll give me back my ability to be behind the big wheel again. Is that spelled out clear enough for you, moron, or would you like to meet fate to face and have a really frank discussion?

Woof!
 

darkbeaver

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So, I am an idiot, so says the Beaver. I can live with that. What are you Beaver who hates our society so much but doen't have the balls to leave and go live in one of the glorious socialist utopias our world has to offer and await our destruction with glee.

I don't know many of the "elite banking scum" who apparently run everything and get all of the benefits of the world by raping the rest of us, but according to your other posts banking will soon collapse so I wouldn't worry too much about them. I do see many regular people enjoying the fruits of the society from education to healthcare to a vibrant economy. The fact that you want all this to end so that your doomsday scenarios can come true is sad in the extreme. Is that what you want for your children?

It's my country iArt, I think I'll stay and make sure guys like you don't end up in control, allah forbid. I don't think you know much about testicular fortitude.
 

darkbeaver

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So, I am an idiot, so says the Beaver. I can live with that. What are you Beaver who hates our society so much but doen't have the balls to leave and go live in one of the glorious socialist utopias our world has to offer and await our destruction with glee.

I don't know many of the "elite banking scum" who apparently run everything and get all of the benefits of the world by raping the rest of us, but according to your other posts banking will soon collapse so I wouldn't worry too much about them. I do see many regular people enjoying the fruits of the society from education to healthcare to a vibrant economy. The fact that you want all this to end so that your doomsday scenarios can come true is sad in the extreme. Is that what you want for your children?

Before we get to silly I'll stop and explain my position briefly. You seem to be under the impression that those social programes were gifted to us from the capitalists, they were not, everyone of them was fought for tooth and nail for decades by dedicated people like Tommy Douglas and numberless other working class people like Wolf and I and thousands of others who struggled and educated for decades to put progames in place for the citizens of this country. We pay our taxes so all can enjoy the treasures of this country and not have to fear poverty, old age or infirmity, those programes have been under enormous pressure from the private sector (your heros) for at least three decades, they are in danger of becoming hollow shells, many of them are not run as they were intended to be, consequently people who should be taken care of are falling into want and dispare all so the private sector pirates can rape and pillage the commonwealth of the public. I know where our education and healthcare came from, you don't, I know what and who is destroying both and why, you don't, and I know that I never want my children to depend on the misinformation that you seem to believe.
There are no benevolent corporations, there are no benevolent capitalist institutions, there are no benevolent bankers. Not one social programe has ever been initiated by capitalist. Not one dollar has ever been donated to the commonweal by a capitalist. You sir are undereducated, a product of the compromized system of neo-liberal junk science. The government is supposed to be the people not the corporations. best regards DB
 

Avro

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Elements of socialism work but a true socialist country like Cuba could never work and never has.
 

darkbeaver

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Elements of socialism work but a true socialist country like Cuba could never work and never has.

Then how is it there is no hunger no illiteracy free education the finest farming on the planet and they have 20,000 doctors at work in the third world including thousands still in the quake zone of Pakistan long after most western NGOs have left providing services that we will not.
If Cuba won't work you should call them and warn them of the impossibility, they would no doubt politely tell you you're full of ****.:smile:
 

darkbeaver

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It was the ideology of socialism that needed to be contained much more than the USSR itself. Any ideology which sought to organize a third-world economy around its own local self interests, rather than external investor interests, was labeled "Marxist", and the Soviet expansionist Bogeyman was offered as an excuse for whatever "order restoring" military intervention might be required. In fact Soviet forces, and later Chinese, preferred for the most part to stay home and keep order within what was called the Communist Bloc. It was American bases that were strung around the globe, not Soviet or Chinese ones. The leadership of this global regime remains to this day centered in the top echelons of the U.S. government. And the tradition of ongoing elite strategic planning has been institutionalized in the form of the National Security Council, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and miscellaneous other agencies - all working closely with a network of corporate-linked think tanks and consulting firms. As the U.S. continues to impose its leadership, using unilateral force when considered necessary, it follows the policy guidelines defined by this highly secret, ongoing, corporate-dominated, elite planning process pg10 Globalization and the Revolutionary Imperative from Global Tyrany to Democratic Renaissance Richard K Moore 2000
 

jimshort19

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Darkbeaver, "...Soviet expansionist Bogeyman..."

They were benign? Who sold you that bill of goods? The Cold War has gotten to you. You have Stockholm syndrome. You hid under your desk as a school child.

After taking half of Europe, they tried to put missiles on Cuba. Meantime, the U.S. was trading their way and promoting all good legitimate business, including assassinating Castro.
 

lone wolf

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Darkbeaver, "...Soviet expansionist Bogeyman..."

They were benign? Who sold you that bill of goods? The Cold War has gotten to you. You have Stockholm syndrome. You hid under your desk as a school child.

After taking half of Europe, they tried to put missiles on Cuba. Meantime, the U.S. was trading their way and promoting all good legitimate business, including assassinating Castro.

Maybe you should ask the survivors in Cuba, Columbia or Nicaragua if United Fruit was a good legitimate business from their perspective.

Woof!
 

darkbeaver

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Darkbeaver, "...Soviet expansionist Bogeyman..."

They were benign? Who sold you that bill of goods? The Cold War has gotten to you. You have Stockholm syndrome. You hid under your desk as a school child.

After taking half of Europe, they tried to put missiles on Cuba. Meantime, the U.S. was trading their way and promoting all good legitimate business, including assassinating Castro.

You should surrender now Jimshort, just admit defeat throw your tie away and join the winning team. Why waste the rest of your life on the pipedreams and lottery tickets of the elite clique.Join the revolution save your soul.


1. Pax Americana and the postwar corporate regime
If we see that Germany is winning we should help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany and that way let them kill as many as possible.
- Harry S. Truman, 1941​
 

darkbeaver

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So iART you can see that the ruling elite believe in the power of social democracy and understand it's utility to mankind even more than I do. That leaves you with no allies at all, you have been effectively isolated and as such present no threat to the continued abuse of capitalist, and that's called slavery. That's right ART you have no basis in political reality, none whatever.You work for and are literally owned by those bastions of opulent decadence you so admire. It cost you 100% more to live because you don't believe in socialism. Your wasting a fine mind and education, that's inefficient, we can no longer afford that.:lol:
 

jimshort19

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"Maybe you should ask the survivors in Cuba, Columbia or Nicaragua if United Fruit was a good legitimate business from their perspective"

Right on point Beaver, and that's why socialism is the only way - because Americans eat too many bananas. The survivors of the banana business hate bananas now. It's all about bananas ultimately isn't it? How long have you had these feelings about bananas?
 

Zzarchov

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Seriously Jim Short, Im far from a communism as I said page 1.

But before you make yourself look stupid, you really should read a book before commenting on things you know nothing about.

United Fruit and Standard Fruits (now renamed Dole and Chiquita) were brutal organizations that took over regions when they consolidated too much power. Corporations are no different than any other group of people (religions, political parties, police forces, militaries) when they get too powerful and take over, bad things happen.

In the case of United Fruit and Standard Fruit, who were literal empires with private militaries (who fought each other), Police forces, prisons (as well as school and other civil infrastructure, including communications and transportation monopolies).

Saying 'so what if American's like Banana's' about those two companies is somewhat akin to saying 'So what if people liked cotton' about slavery.


A second note (in the interest of a fair debate) is Cuba would not be a rich nation if it were capitalist and democratic.

If you believe that Cuba is poor and full of beggars because its communist you should really travel to the rest of the carribean (like Haiti, a capitalist state and North America's oldest true democracy).

Compared to its neighbours, Cuba is a case of a successful communist state.
 

darkbeaver

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"Maybe you should ask the survivors in Cuba, Columbia or Nicaragua if United Fruit was a good legitimate business from their perspective"

Right on point Beaver, and that's why socialism is the only way - because Americans eat too many bananas. The survivors of the banana business hate bananas now. It's all about bananas ultimately isn't it? How long have you had these feelings about bananas?

Jim you're smoking high test again you little devil, you've gone bananas, you're quoteing MR L Wolfs post not mine. He has already very nicely addressed your concerns. Further to that phuck off.:lol::cool::lol: just kiddin Jim
 

gopher

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Malcolm Martin has good intentions but socialism has never worked nor will it ever do so. The better way is for a mixed economy where the pursuit of justice is the governing principle behind all policy.
 

darkbeaver

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Mugabe sure did have help from Britain. Once Zimbabwe was free of the undue influence of the colonial superpower Mugabe was free to destroy the breadbasket of Africa and install his cronies as the rightful owners of the farms. And now the bliss of 1000% inflation. Are the people better off now that the whities are gone?

I doubt if Mugabe was ever free iART, sure the overt colonial rape ended but the covert rape by the WTO, world bank and the IMF most likely accelerated. The whites ain't gone ART.
 

darkbeaver

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Malcolm Martin has good intentions but socialism has never worked nor will it ever do so. The better way is for a mixed economy where the pursuit of justice is the governing principle behind all policy.

Who's going to steer the ship of state gopher, democrats or bankers? Bankers will always rule untill you tear the last dime out of thier cold dead hands. Mixed economy, sure, who's going to determine the mix? No can't agree with you comrade, it's been tried several thousand times and the money always ends up driving the boat instead of the people. Socialism in Canada works gopher, I can get me broken body fixed because I pay through my employment tax deductions along with my fellow citizens to make sure that it happens and if anyone tries to take that away they'll need health insurance. Healthcare, food, shelter, security, equality, education and oportunity are the fundemental elements of justice and you know it. Try getting that through the skewed judicial systems in effect in N America without a huge bank account. A full belly and a warm place to sleep are just.:smile:
 

Walter

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You seem to be under the impression that those social programes were gifted to us from the capitalists, they were not, everyone of them was fought for tooth and nail for decades by dedicated people like Tommy Douglas and numberless other working class people like Wolf and I and thousands of others who struggled and educated for decades to put progames in place for the citizens of this country.
You were absent from the most important government program, education. Perhaps you were there a few days but you missed spelling class, social studies class and, if you did attend history class, it must have been taught by the supply teacher who carried Mao's Red Book and used it instead of the western curriculum.