So You Want to be King/Queen...

coldstream

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Unfortunately, Church Latin is a pale imitation of how Classical Latin was spoken and written. Syntax and pronunciation are not true to the original forms. For example, getting back to king and emperors, Caesar was pronounced as Kaisar is in German.

Empires and their religions, like "golden girls and lads, all must; all come to this, all come to dust!"

When Caesar and his legions swept into Gaul, he is recorded as saying, "VENI, VIDI, VICI," which, correctly pronounced, is "Waney, Weedy, Weeky." Yep, I am getting the quivvers.


I'm not sure where you get that. Liturgical Latin, likely more than any vernacular language, follows strict and consistent phonetical rules. It is extremely practical and articulate in its pronunciation and conjugation which prevent Latin dialects from developing. It was these properties that made it ideal for scientific nomenclature up until the last few decades. It seems to me that an institution that was founded in Classical Latin and has used it without respite for 2,000 years might be a better authority than some linguistic academic theorist.
 

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I'm not sure where you get that. Liturgical Latin, likely more than any vernacular language, follows strict and consistent phonetical rules. It is extremely practical and articulate in its pronunciation and conjugation which prevent Latin dialects from developing. It was these properties that made it ideal for scientific nomenclature up until the last few decades. It seems to me that an institution that was founded in Classical Latin and has used it without respite for 2,000 years might be a better authority than some linguistic academic theorist.

A Catholic cleric once rinsed out his mouth after saying the mass in Churchy Latin. He knew it was a pale candle to the original. One of criticisms (among many) of the horrific movie "The Passion" was its use of Clerical Latin.

The Pronunciation of Classical Latin
 

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speaking of princesses, shouldn't Williams wife be spitting out some placenta with a side order of royalty soon?
 

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I'm not sure where you get that. Liturgical Latin, likely more than any vernacular language, follows strict and consistent phonetical rules. It is extremely practical and articulate in its pronunciation and conjugation which prevent Latin dialects from developing.
Like Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese, you mean?

speaking of princesses, shouldn't Williams wife be spitting out some placenta with a side order of royalty soon?
Pretty soon, yep.
 

L Gilbert

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Well technically, modern Spanish is a descendant of a dialect of Latin that evolved in the 5th century in the northern end of the Iberian peninsula after the fall of the western Roman Empire.
Modern Portuguese evolved from Galician Portuguese which evolved from Latin brought to the western part of the Iberian Peninsula by Roman soldiers and settlers.
etc.
 

coldstream

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Well technically, modern Spanish is a descendant of a dialect of Latin that evolved in the 5th century in the northern end of the Iberian peninsula after the fall of the western Roman Empire.
Modern Portuguese evolved from Galician Portuguese which evolved from Latin brought to the western part of the Iberian Peninsula by Roman soldiers and settlers.
etc.

All formed of that and the local vernaculars.. which existed prior to Roman Conquest.. technically that is. :roll:
 

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The trouble with clerical Latin is that it absorbed the syntax and pronunciation of Italian. Now if the Vatican were in Holy Mother Russia, or in the German Fatherland, or in Saskatchewan ...

Besides, "VBI*SVNT*DII*ROMANI"?
 
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coldstream

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Vulgate vs. Academic? I thought you said Latin was not subject to dialects.

Loquerisne Latine? Dico Latinam.


The Vulgate refers to the translation of the Bible into the common vernacular by St. Jerome in the 4th century.. which was influential in the development of all the Latin Languages.. from their composite sources.. including Italian. It is this Vulgate that led to accepted eccliastical pronunciations that have held since that time.. and eclipse of the more ancient forms of Latin. So it's correct to say that Church Latin was influenced.. but is not based... on the Italian vernacular of the 4th Century.
 

Kathie Bondar

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Seeing as I already have some royal blood, albeit rather thin and of the Welsh kind, I claim the crown of Kanada. It is time to get rid of the inbred British monarchy. If we must have a crown, it should belong to Kanadain inbreds, but we must start somewhere, so I volunteer.

Yes, but can you make a baby?