So You Want to be King/Queen...

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Remember, boys. "Is she as kind as she is fair, for beauty lives with kindness!" -Bill S.

Quebec profs take aim at royal succession law changes, claim Ottawa acted unconstitutionally | CTV News
"In the other federation involved in the Commonwealth, which is Australia, the consent of all six member states is sought and obtained by the federal government before the federal government adopts its legislation on royal succession. So, we say the same rule applies in Canada," Andre Binette, one of two Quebec lawyers representing the professors, told CTV’s Canada AM.

"Because the Constitution says all laws relating to the office of the queen or the monarchy must be adopted following a constitutional amending procedure that requires the unanimous consent of all the provinces plus the federal parliament."

I love it! There is hope for us all!
 

gerryh

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Remember, boys. "Is she as kind as she is fair, for beauty lives with kindness!" -Bill S.

Quebec profs take aim at royal succession law changes, claim Ottawa acted unconstitutionally | CTV News
"In the other federation involved in the Commonwealth, which is Australia, the consent of all six member states is sought and obtained by the federal government before the federal government adopts its legislation on royal succession. So, we say the same rule applies in Canada," Andre Binette, one of two Quebec lawyers representing the professors, told CTV’s Canada AM.

"Because the Constitution says all laws relating to the office of the queen or the monarchy must be adopted following a constitutional amending procedure that requires the unanimous consent of all the provinces plus the federal parliament."

I love it! There is hope for us all!


and what exactly is it that you love? If it is thrown out, it will not effect Prince William or Prince George.
 

gerryh

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Democracy, not divine right..


Answer the question. If the new law is thrown out, then we revert back to the old succession law which states that the First born MALE child is the rightful heir to the Canadian crown. This means that if a girl is born first and then a boy, the Boy is the rightful Heir and not the first born Girl. So I assume that this is what you prefer and also what the dumb shytes in Quebec prefer also.
 

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"Yet do I fear thy nature, It is too full o' th' milk of human kindness.."
Nope, it's all about the Canadian Constitution; not about arbitrary change without consent.
 

gerryh

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"Yet do I fear thy nature, It is too full o' th' milk of human kindness.."
Nope, it's all about the Canadian Constitution; not about arbitrary change without consent.



So you would prefer to leave the succession laws the way they were.
 

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Remember, boys. "Is she as kind as she is fair, for beauty lives with kindness!" -Bill S.

Quebec profs take aim at royal succession law changes, claim Ottawa acted unconstitutionally | CTV News
"In the other federation involved in the Commonwealth, which is Australia, the consent of all six member states is sought and obtained by the federal government before the federal government adopts its legislation on royal succession. So, we say the same rule applies in Canada," Andre Binette, one of two Quebec lawyers representing the professors, told CTV’s Canada AM.

"Because the Constitution says all laws relating to the office of the queen or the monarchy must be adopted following a constitutional amending procedure that requires the unanimous consent of all the provinces plus the federal parliament."

I love it! There is hope for us all!

I can see a rationale for changing succession laws so that women are on an even footing. 100 years or so back it wouldn't have made any sense at all when the role of the monarch was to fight wars and plunder, pillage, steal and rape, but lately it probably consists of more desk work which a woman is just as capable of handling.
 

gerryh

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If change to our constitution is effected arbitrarily, we might as well be governed by a monarch.


we are, and I would also like to point out that Quebec never signed onto the Constitution act of 1982, so I really don't understand why they are trying to cite it when they never supported it to begin with.
 

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Canadian citizens are.

I can see a rationale for changing succession laws so that women are on an even footing. 100 years or so back it wouldn't have made any sense at all when the role of the monarch was to fight wars and plunder, pillage, steal and rape, but lately it probably consists of more desk work which a woman is just as capable of handling.

Oh, the shame.
PS
I am not certain kings raped; they probably delegated.
 

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Yep. Queens County is just across the border. But folks there don't like to be referred to as "Queens". So they to refer to themselves by their district names such as Astoria, Ridgewood, Jamaica, etc
 

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Democracy, not divine right..

This is a Constitutional Monarchy, not an Absolute Monarchy. Get with the times.

Absolutely. Seeing other countries fawn and bow and scrape and spend tens of millions on what amounts to their most overprivileged welfare family makes us feel a little better about our own absurdities.

And yet the Americans spent much much more on their republic than we do on our monarchy. Air Force One alone costs more than the entire British monarchy.

The fact that I spend just 67p or so each year on the monarchy makes me feel much more better than I would have been had I been spending a huge amount more on a President Blair or a President Cameron.
 

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This is a Constitutional Monarchy, not an Absolute Monarchy. Get with the times.

That is precisely my point; the Canadian Constitution must be respected when changes to that document are proposed. You are a good man, Blackleaf, for agreeing with me and the Quebec professors' challenge to the Succession Act.

For a moment there, I thought you knew next to nothing about Canadian affairs. My bad!
 

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This is a Constitutional Monarchy, not an Absolute Monarchy. Get with the times.



And yet the Americans spent much much more on their republic than we do on our monarchy. Air Force One alone costs more than the entire British monarchy.

The fact that I spend just 67p or so each year on the monarchy makes me feel much more better than I would have been had I been spending a huge amount more on a President Blair or a President Cameron.
So, you're comparing our actual, functioning, governing apparatus to the entirely symbolic and effectively powerless monarchy, and conveniently leaving out Parliament and the whole structure of British government.

Yeah, you're not biased and using a ridiculous comparison to try to shore up your point, whatever it may be.
 

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That is precisely my point; the Canadian Constitution must be respected when changes to that document are proposed. You are a good man, Blackleaf, for agreeing with me and the Quebec professors' challenge to the Succession Act.

For a moment there, I thought you knew next to nothing about Canadian affairs. My bad!

Who says is isn't being respected?

Any changes to the monarchy - such as ending male primgeniture - must be agreed by all sixteen Commonweal Realms for the changes to take effect. As long as one or two Canadian provinces decide that they disagree with the new proposed laws then the new laws cannot be brought into effect.

So, you're comparing our actual, functioning, governing apparatus to the entirely symbolic and effectively powerless monarchy, and conveniently leaving out Parliament and the whole structure of British government.

Yeah, you're not biased and using a ridiculous comparison to try to shore up your point, whatever it may be.

USA is a republic. Britain is a monarchy. And it's cheaper being a monarchy. And what do you get out of all that money that you pay? Some non-entity in a suit and tie.

Give me the Queen at 67 pence a year any day of the week.